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post #181 of 6043
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Originally Posted by muellerfilm View Post

Good testing, I have been comparing as well. On my display the picture looks more detailed 1200 over the 1000. I was really unhappy with 1000 on night scenes. They just did not seem to be as good as other players Panasonic or the Sony. That is why I started purchasing the Sony BDPS1 units. As in my opinion it had the best picture all around before 1200 was released. I still think the 1200 is a very good player and I have not experienced the freezing that others have experienced. The menu on the 1000 is sharper than the 1200 for some odd reason. I also experienced random freezing with Sony BDPS1 as well. I will be very upset if the 1200 starts having freezing trouble as my 1000 has been very good with no freezing. I looking forward to the new Sony player that will be released in summer 07 but So far for me the 1200 is a keeper for me.

Are there specific titles where you have noticed a difference in the night scenes? I would be interested in giving those a look if I have any of them.
post #182 of 6043
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Originally Posted by patrick99 View Post

Are there specific titles where you have noticed a difference in the night scenes? I would be interested in giving those a look if I have any of them.

Yes, Into the blue, Lady in The Water and Firewall are some good ones. For example with Into the Blue at the start of Movie in the exterior airplane CGI shot the blacks looks blocky and pixelated with the 1000 and with the 1200 they do not look that way. Also the shots in the cockpit the actors faces look very grainy. They look a little less grainy with the Sony BDPS1 and even less grainy with the 1200. with Lady in the Water the movie has alot of night shots. With the 1000 alot of the scenes by the pool look dull with lack of detail. But with the 1200 they do not look that way.
post #183 of 6043
This is a very good player. I liked everything about it except the audio was too weak for me. I didn't have any freezing problems whatsoever. Great PQ but audio is very weak.
post #184 of 6043
I'll speak with Samsung's BD product manager tomorrow to see if they have discovered the issue and are planing a fix.

-Robert
post #185 of 6043
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Originally Posted by DTV TiVo Dealer View Post

I'll speak with Samsung's BD product manager tomorrow to see if they have discovered the issue and are planing a fix.

-Robert

Thanks Robert. I hope Samsung fixes the weak audio issue.
post #186 of 6043
I just posted my results to my simple PCM audio test in the other thread.

Long story short, I thought I was experiencing the same weak audio problem, but that is not the case. Well, at least it is no weaker than my Toshiba HD-A1.
post #187 of 6043
Good tests folks. PC World's review states that the audio seemed "muddier" when using the players analog outs? Stated it was better quality using the digital output. Is this a misprint because I thought people were rather happy with their Samsung player and the uncompressed PCM tracks.
post #188 of 6043
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Originally Posted by muellerfilm View Post

Yes, Into the blue, Lady in The Water and Firewall are some good ones. For example with Into the Blue at the start of Movie in the exterior airplane CGI shot the blacks looks blocky and pixelated with the 1000 and with the 1200 they do not look that way. Also the shots in the cockpit the actors faces look very grainy. They look a little less grainy with the Sony BDPS1 and even less grainy with the 1200. with Lady in the Water the movie has alot of night shots. With the 1000 alot of the scenes by the pool look dull with lack of detail. But with the 1200 they do not look that way.

I have Into the Blue but not Lady in the Water. I will do comparisons on those opening scenes in Into the Blue. Thanks for the info.
post #189 of 6043
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Originally Posted by Tim Glover View Post

Good tests folks. PC World's review states that the audio seemed "muddier" when using the players analog outs? Stated it was better quality using the digital output. Is this a misprint because I thought people were rather happy with their Samsung player and the uncompressed PCM tracks.

The player they reviewed in PC World was the previous BD-P1000 not the 1200. They may be similar or different as a new chip is being used.
post #190 of 6043
I don't know if its been noticed, but, Datavision has the BD-p1200 for $599 on pre-order.
post #191 of 6043
Its not on the website but I just saw the BD-p1200 @ the local Best Buy for full pop $799. This was in the Atlanta GA area
post #192 of 6043
Same here in Houston. On the shelf (qty 3) at a Best Buy for $799. They said they got them in Wednesday evening.

I still have a preorder with buy.com (before the went back to MSRP). Has anyone received a player ordered through anyone besides CC so far?

Jeff
post #193 of 6043
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Originally Posted by jautor View Post

Same here in Houston. On the shelf (qty 3) at a Best Buy for $799. They said they got them in Wednesday evening.

I still have a preorder with buy.com (before the went back to MSRP). Has anyone received a player ordered through anyone besides CC so far?

Jeff


Ship date from Dell 4/20
Price $600.
I can wait the extra week or two for a $200. savings.
And the B&M stores wonder why they are going down the tubes !
post #194 of 6043
This is a great player, it is worth the wait. I may get a second one.
post #195 of 6043
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Originally Posted by johnnyd1 View Post

Ship date from Dell 4/20
Price $600.
I can wait the extra week or two for a $200. savings.
And the B&M stores wonder why they are going down the tubes !

Dell would be a good place to buy from especially if you have corporate plans with them. There always seems to be discount coupons floating around here. I'm waiting on our IT folks to advise what we've got going with them before I make the move.
post #196 of 6043
FYI - Buy.com just updated their page - showing it in stock (at MSRP)...

Jeff
post #197 of 6043
I ordered from J&R. They matched Dell's price with free shipping. Same as Dell.
post #198 of 6043
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Originally Posted by Randall Morton View Post

I ordered from J&R. They matched Dell's price with free shipping. Same as Dell.

When will it ship ?
post #199 of 6043
Don't know if this has been mentioned but in order to get 1080p 24 hz you have to first select it in the players menu and then turn off the player and then turn it back on before it will work.
Same thing if you want to switch back to 60hz.
I am currently using the 1200 with a panasonic AX100U 720P projector which accepts 1080p 24hz. and it looks alot better than feeding it 720p.
The only problem i am having is an occasional and random blip using the 24 hz mode only.
I don't know if it is the player or the projector losing sync for a split second.
Anyone else ever seen this problem?
post #200 of 6043
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Originally Posted by steviec View Post

The only problem i am having is an occasional and random blip using the 24 hz mode only.
I don't know if it is the player or the projector losing sync for a split second.
Anyone else ever seen this problem?

Stevie,

BD's or DVD's or both? Only in 24p? PM me if you wish.

Ken
post #201 of 6043
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Originally Posted by johnnyd1 View Post

When will it ship ?

All I could get out of them was that it would ship sometimes this month.
post #202 of 6043
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Originally Posted by Randall Morton View Post

All I could get out of them was that it would ship sometimes this month.

Probably on the 20th .

Seems most shipments to buyers (us) are taking place on that day.
post #203 of 6043
Well I finally got a 1200 today, picked one up at the local CC. The picture quality is quite good. This player is not clipping head or toe room, is not cropping any pixels, does not have any CUE issues and is retaining the full luma and chroma resolution. Very similar to the Sony in this regard. But they have a leg up in that they used the Reon chip for their I/P conversion so this player supports 2-2 cadences correctly, making it the only player I know of on the Blu-ray side that can. So officially this is the first Blu-ray player that can output the new Nine Inch Nails BD in 1080p correctly.

It will not go into 24p mode in my setup at all. Doesn't matter if I connect it to my video processor or right into my display, and both accept that frame rate.

Hate the fact that it is either bitstream or PCM. Deal breaker for me really.

Overall I would say this is a great looking player from a picture standpoint and with a few tweaks to the rest of the package it would be one of the best players out there.

Still waiting for the ideal BD player though...........(and the ideal HD DVD player too..........)
post #204 of 6043
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Originally Posted by Kris Deering View Post

Overall I would say this is a great looking player from a picture standpoint and with a few tweaks to the rest of the package it would be one of the best players out there

Kris,

Thanks very much! Did you note any issues with the quality or volume on PCM audio? There's another thread started by a user who observed "weak audio" via PCM/HDMI with the 1200 as compared to a Tosh XA2. Another user with the same setup is not observing it, but can't get bitstream and it goes on from there. Appreciate any insight you can provide.

The thread here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=831909

Ken
post #205 of 6043
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Originally Posted by Kris Deering View Post

Well I finally got a 1200 today, picked one up at the local CC. The picture quality is quite good. This player is not clipping head or toe room, is not cropping any pixels, does not have any CUE issues and is retaining the full luma and chroma resolution. Very similar to the Sony in this regard. But they have a leg up in that they used the Reon chip for their I/P conversion so this player supports 2-2 cadences correctly, making it the only player I know of on the Blu-ray side that can. So officially this is the first Blu-ray player that can output the new Nine Inch Nails BD in 1080p correctly.

To clarify, would you say the output quality on Blu-ray movies is indistinguishable from the Pioneer and Sony Blu-ray players?

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Originally Posted by Kris Deering View Post

It will not go into 24p mode in my setup at all. Doesn't matter if I connect it to my video processor or right into my display, and both accept that frame rate.

Did you turn the box off and then back on to try 24p mode? Others in this thread have said that the Samsung won't actually engage 24p mode -- once you select it -- until you turn the player off and back on.

If/when you get a chance to test DVD playback, I'm sure many would like to hear your impressions with that too.
post #206 of 6043
You can read the latest review of the BD-P1200 by the hdguru at

www.hdguru.com
post #207 of 6043
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Originally Posted by RUR View Post

Kris,

Thanks very much! Did you note any issues with the quality or volume on PCM audio? There's another thread started by a user who observed "weak audio" via PCM/HDMI with the 1200 as compared to a Tosh XA2. Another user with the same setup is not observing it, but can't get bitstream and it goes on from there. Appreciate any insight you can provide.

The thread here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=831909

Ken

I tried it with the NIN disc using a couple of different tracks and I wouldn't say the output was weak at all. I am using the Anthem Statement D2 SSP. Make sure you have dynamic range compression set to off and PCM downsample set to off. Also, make sure you go in the speaker setup and set them all to large if you don't want the player doing the bass management.

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To clarify, would you say the output quality on Blu-ray movies is indistinguishable from the Pioneer and Sony Blu-ray players?

Yep. But it would be better for stuff that is 1080i sourced from a 1080p30 master file. This is the case with the NIN disc.

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Did you turn the box off and then back on to try 24p mode? Others in this thread have said that the Samsung won't actually engage 24p mode -- once you select it -- until you turn the player off and back on.

It won't even let me select it. It doesn't want to play

The PCM thing isn't that big a deal as far as selecting it or bitstream. Since right now you are either going to pass DD or DTS unelss it is PCM you may as well leave it bitstream. You can still get the full benefit of the PCM soundtracks and since the player isn't decoding anything else it isn't that big a deal. I am a little suprised that Samsung included a DD+ decoder but the analog output is limited to 5.1.

I wonder when a manufacturer is actually going to think out the big picture and release a player that really does all it is supposed to??
post #208 of 6043
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Originally Posted by Kris Deering View Post

It will not go into 24p mode in my setup at all. Doesn't matter if I connect it to my video processor or right into my display, and both accept that frame rate.

It took me a while to get this to work too, but after toggling with the settings and restarting things a couple of times, I got it enabled. I wish I had a good way to verify it is working though, as my display (JVC RS1) only shows "1080p".

Note: once I did this the first time, I haven't had issues switching to different resolutions and toggling 24hz output on/off.

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Hate the fact that it is either bitstream or PCM. Deal breaker for me really.

According to the manual, if you set it to bitstream, it will output PCM for the things that it needs to. I am hoping this will make it the equivalent to the "Auto" setting on the Toshiba HD-A1... but I can't get it to do bitstream over HDMI in my setup at all.
post #209 of 6043
The audio thing is the same as the PS3.
post #210 of 6043
Does anyone know if the player has any issues with hdmi/dvi connection? And, how is its 720p output?
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