Originally Posted by DavidHir
Aside from the black and white clipping, does the PS3 match the Sony for video quality?
Also, does the Sony do TrueHD via analog outputs?
Couldn't tell you as of right now because it won't play back my test disc which is a BD-RE. Stacey Spears has done testing on it though and said everything is equal with the exception of head/toe room.
First off let me say I have three Sony BDPS1 players and this Samsung BDP1200 and when compared to the Sony it shows a good picture improvement over the Sony with commercial blu ray disks and When comparing disks that we author BDMV the difference startling like night and day. And BDAV forget it the Sony does not support. Sony amazes me and all of these disks were authored with there blu print authoring software. Time will tell if Sony gets there act together with there next player. Saying that there is no way the Samsung could be better than the Sony is completely ridiculous. There is no way on paper you are going to be able to tell which one is better. You have to test them and that is what I did.
Sorry but I disagree. Subjectively you are saying you see an improvement. What are you using to test with? The Sony can fully resolve all the chroma and luma info, its levels are correct, it retains the full dynamic range, and it can output 24p right off the disc. There is nothing to improve upon from a video standpoint. Objective testing will tell you quite early what can and can't be improved upon. I can't say if the Samsung is nice looking because I haven't tested it, but I can tell if the Sony could be improved upon via HDMI, and right now it can't.
The other note is on my Samsung 5296 LCD this player outputs 1920x1080P @24Hz. When I press the info button on the 5296 remote this is what it says true 1080P 24P. With my SonyBDPS1 it displays 1920x1080P @60Hz
Good job Samsung you guys are ahead of the game.
This sounds like an issue with your displays EDID info. The Sony will output 1080p24 just fine. I can confirm it with two different video processors and my projector (Marantz VP11S1) which will accept a 1080p24 input signal and display it at 1080p48. Aside from judder though, THERE IS NO BENEFIT TO 1080p24 over 1080p60. You just lose SOME of the jerkiness. Film at 24fps still has plenty of jerkiness to it.
With DVD players MPEG2 decoders varied in image quality. Some showed more mosquito noise than others. Different 4:2:0 to 4:2:2 upconverting algorithms were used etc. Why should that be different in HD land? The source is still 4:2:0 (although progressive now) and the decoder still outputs 4:2:2, as far as I know. I think there's still potential for some differences in decoding performance. E.g. are you using Lanczos or Mitchell or something else for upscaling the chroma information? How much bitdepth is the decoder using internally to avoid little rounding/clipoff problems during decoding? Etc etc...
Which is exactly why I tested to see if chroma was upsampled CORRECTLY and that the player retains the full resolution of the chroma signal. The Sony does all of this. Maybe the Samsung isn't and that would make the image "different" and he prefers the Samsung. It happens all the time.
Also, the Sony BDP-S1 does not support Dolby TrueHD via any output and from my sources never will. THERE ARE NO PLANS TO SUPPORT ANY OTHER AUDIO CODECS WITH THE BDPS-S1 was what I was told (from people that would know). The new Sony 300 model will be a rebadge Samsung, though I don't know which one. It is not a redesign of the S1.