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post #301 of 6042
[quote=wrunow]Finally got my unit installed into my system last night. I have the Samsung connected to my Optoma HD70 with a 35 foot hdmi cable and a monoprice 2x1 fmanual video switch and to a Sony DA7ES receiver through both the multichannel inputs and a coaxial digita cable.


1. I can't seem to get the player to allow me to output 1080p/24 although supposedly there are others here using a HD70 in this manner. I tried turning it on again, off again, with a disc, without a disc etc. No luck.



The optoma HD 70 will not accept a 1080p 24hz signal only 1080p 60hz.
It is in the projector specs.
post #302 of 6042
What cables are people using to connect your BD-P1200 to your receiver/amp?
post #303 of 6042
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Originally Posted by ANSEK View Post

What cables are people using to connect your BD-P1200 to your receiver/amp?

Four foot Monster HDMI. No problems.

Yes, I know I'm supposed to buy less expensive, Monoprice cables...
post #304 of 6042
Does the Samsung BDP1200 pillar-box 4:3 SD DVDs or still stretch them like the BDP1000?
post #305 of 6042
Can you guys post some pics of your units?
post #306 of 6042
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Originally Posted by WaldorfSalad View Post

Does the Samsung BDP1200 pillar-box 4:3 SD DVDs or still stretch them like the BDP1000?

I just put in a 4:3 disc, and it was stretched. Not sure if it was the sammy stretching it or my display though (JVC RS1). I had to change my display aspect to 4:3 and everything looked fine.
post #307 of 6042
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Originally Posted by WaldorfSalad View Post

Does the Samsung BDP1200 pillar-box 4:3 SD DVDs or still stretch them like the BDP1000?

Pillar box, but the display will stretch this, if that's your pleasure.
post #308 of 6042
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Originally Posted by wrunow View Post

DHL delivered mine this morning from Dell.

Received mine this afternoon from Dell (4/23) Just watched Happy Feet with the wife using the 5.1 analog output. I am very impressed with this machine.
post #309 of 6042
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Originally Posted by johnnyd1 View Post

Received mine this afternoon from Dell (4/23) Just watched Happy Feet with the wife using the 5.1 analog output. I am very impressed with this machine.

Does it have a loud Fan (loud to me is the Fan in the Toshiba XA2 -- super loud is the PS3)?

TIA
post #310 of 6042
A quick review of this thread and the user manual on the Samsung site leaves me wondering: Can one set speaker delay/distance parameters, and volume/trim levels for the speakers, in this unit?

Push comes to shove, I can do trim/volume in my pre-amp, but I cannot set speaker distance there for stuff sent via the analog input, so I need to be able to set speaker distance in the player.
post #311 of 6042
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Originally Posted by zglass2 View Post

Does it have a loud Fan (loud to me is the Fan in the Toshiba XA2 -- super loud is the PS3)?

TIA

I didn't notice it,
but I just turned it on to listen close up and it is very quiet.
post #312 of 6042
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Originally Posted by nathan_h View Post

A quick review of this thread and the user manual on the Samsung site leaves me wondering: Can one set speaker delay/distance parameters, and volume/trim levels for the speakers, in this unit?

Nope. This is typically done in the AVR/pre-amp.
post #313 of 6042
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Originally Posted by zglass2 View Post

Does it have a loud Fan (loud to me is the Fan in the Toshiba XA2 -- super loud is the PS3)?

I've been using the heck out of mine for three weeks and I've never heard the fan.
post #314 of 6042
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Originally Posted by LRS3 View Post

If someone has received their BD-P1200 from Dell yet, can you indicate why Dell shows it as "BD-P1200 Blu-Ray Disc Player - Dell Only"? Is there a Dell sticker on it or something else that makes it uniquely Dell?

No Dell markings anywhere on mine.
post #315 of 6042
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Originally Posted by RUR View Post

Nope. This is typically done in the AVR/pre-amp.

My SACD player, DVD player, and HD-DVD player allow me to set the speaker distance for their respective analog outputs. This is critical since with my pre-amp, like many that offer a pure audio mode, the signal quality is preserved on the multi-channel inputs by not re-digitizing the signal and applying more processing. It's disappointing because this Samsung looked like it had everything I needed (1080p/24, etc.) but I'm dead in the water if I cannot set speaker distance at the source.
post #316 of 6042
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Originally Posted by krisjan View Post

I placed my order with Dell on April 5. I got tired of waiting for the BD-P1200 to ship (today was the ship date but customer service called and said it wouldn't go out today). I cancelled my Dell order. I have now placed an order with Value Electronics. I hope they actually have these in stock and can get it to me ASAP. Wishing for a better experience than with Dell!

Since cancelling with Dell and placing an order with VE for the 1200 on April 20, I have heard nothing back despite sending a couple of emails to them. I used the AVS specials link earlier in this thread to place the order. Other than getting a confirmation email (automatically I'm sure) I've heard nothing. No response to my emails at all. Has anyone whose ordered this player from them gotten confirmation saying the product is shipped? This is frustrating to say the least.
post #317 of 6042
Before I knew about VE's AVS offer this player, I had also ordered from Dell. When I found out about the VE offer, I cancelled the Dell order last Tuesday and placed an order with VE. Dell, of course, shipped out the unit anyway on Thursday and I was supposed to get the unit on Friday from DHL.

However I wanted to support VE and called Dell and asked why they shipped if I cancelled. Dell offered to lower the price BELOW VE if I would accept the unit from DHL on Friday. I said no-- send it back so it was rerouted back to Dell while in transit.

I checked with VE TODAY as to what is happening and got an email from Robert. He said that his "allocation has been delayed and I am now expecting delivery next week." Its a shame that Samsung sent the units out to the big vendors (Dell, CC) LAST WEEK but have stiffed VE for two weeks at least.

Hopefully Samsung will deliver to Robert next week and we'll get ours by 1 May or so.

I'm just as excited to get the unit and disappointed that I've had to wait a couple of extra weeks but I do want to support Robert and VE for all they do for AVS Forum members. I'm mad at Samsung---not VE.

BTW-- if you ever need an answer from VE-- call their 800 number if you don't get an email response. They're not hiding from us but don't always get around to answering their email as quickly as we want.
post #318 of 6042
I have the Pioneer PRO-FHD1 and one of my local stores has this player available for pickup....hmmm should I do it is the question. Very tempting...
post #319 of 6042
Here is a great thread on Blu-ray.com indicating those players supporting 1080p/24

http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread....ght=1080%2F24p
post #320 of 6042
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Originally Posted by nathan_h View Post

A quick review of this thread and the user manual on the Samsung site leaves me wondering: Can one set speaker delay/distance parameters, and volume/trim levels for the speakers, in this unit?

Push comes to shove, I can do trim/volume in my pre-amp, but I cannot set speaker distance there for stuff sent via the analog input, so I need to be able to set speaker distance in the player.


Only speaker settings are Small/Large, so I guess the answer to your first question is no.
post #321 of 6042
I was told by VE that they hope to ship out the units on Friday.

Hopefully that will happen and I will receive it sometime next week.
post #322 of 6042
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Originally Posted by RUR View Post

I've been using the heck out of mine for three weeks and I've never heard the fan.

Great to hear (or not!!).

A few users have now confirmed this so time to order and check it out myself.

Reason I asked - heard the same thing about the Toshibas XA's - when I got them - returned them real fast as did my neighbor.
post #323 of 6042
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Originally Posted by lorelevitt View Post

Before I knew about VE's AVS offer this player, I had also ordered from Dell. When I found out about the VE offer, I cancelled the Dell order last Tuesday and placed an order with VE. Dell, of course, shipped out the unit anyway on Thursday and I was supposed to get the unit on Friday from DHL.

However I wanted to support VE and called Dell and asked why they shipped if I cancelled. Dell offered to lower the price BELOW VE if I would accept the unit from DHL on Friday. I said no-- send it back so it was rerouted back to Dell while in transit.

I checked with VE TODAY as to what is happening and got an email from Robert. He said that his "allocation has been delayed and I am now expecting delivery next week." Its a shame that Samsung sent the units out to the big vendors (Dell, CC) LAST WEEK but have stiffed VE for two weeks at least.

Hopefully Samsung will deliver to Robert next week and we'll get ours by 1 May or so.

I'm just as excited to get the unit and disappointed that I've had to wait a couple of extra weeks but I do want to support Robert and VE for all they do for AVS Forum members. I'm mad at Samsung---not VE.

BTW-- if you ever need an answer from VE-- call their 800 number if you don't get an email response. They're not hiding from us but don't always get around to answering their email as quickly as we want.

Thanks for clarifying the situation. I am travelling out of the country and it is difficult to make phone calls so I was relying on email.
post #324 of 6042
Has anyone confirmed it this player actually puts out a 7.1 signal via pcm??

I know the original bdp-1000 did not.
post #325 of 6042
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Originally Posted by phansson View Post

Has anyone confirmed it this player actually puts out a 7.1 signal via pcm??

I know the original bdp-1000 did not.

Until a title is released with 7.1, that's hard to confirm. AFAIK, no Blu-ray titles are released in the U.S. market with more than 6.1.

However, the Broadcom decoder in the BD-P1200 supports 7.1 output via HDMI. The older Broadcom decoder in the BD-P1000 did not.
post #326 of 6042
I've been on the sidelines waiting to get into the High Definition DVD game for a while now. I don't think I can hold out much longer! But I need help!
The BDP1200 may be the ticket for me.
Items that are important to me:
1)BluRay video quality (reports indicate this player is as good as it gets)
2)Standard DVD upconversion (so I can finally be rid of my clunky Bravo D1)
3)High resolution audio (more on this later)
4)Resonably quick startup (again, reports indicate this player does fine)
5)HDMI v1.3 & 24p (I have no need for either of these now, but it's nice for the future)
6)SACD or DVD-A (would be nice, but not a deal breaker)

Now, about the audio:
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Originally Posted by Michael Bishop View Post

Also, it seems that the player can pass the "uncompressed" soundtracks of recent Blu-Ray discs to my receiver over the optical audio cable, but my receiver doesn't appear to know quite what to do with it. When confronted with the "uncompressed" soundtrack my receiver automatically resorts to using Dolby Pro Logic II. I'm not quite sure why this is.

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Originally Posted by bfdtv View Post

The uncompressed audio tracks are intended for use with HDMI and multichannel analog output.

The 15-year-old CE implementations of digital optical and SPDIF do not support uncompressed, multichannel audio. The most you will ever get from optical / SPDIF in a consumer device is PCM 2.0. Every Blu-ray player, now and in the future, will only output stereo (2.0) LPCM over optical / coax, due to the way those connections are implemented. If you just want to experience uncompressed audio, you can use the 5.1 analog output connections on the Samsung. If you want to experience uncompressed multichannel audio, Dolby TrueHD, and DTS-HD MA, you must buy a new A/V receiver with HDMI 1.3.

[Some other BD players will decode TrueHD for output as multichannel LPCM over HDMI 1.1.]

Since you've got the Samsung BD-P1200 with HDMI 1.3, I would suggest one of the upcoming HDMI 1.3 receivers with Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD decoding, like these from Denon coming in late June.

I don't plan on upgrading my receiver (B&K AVR-507) for a while but I want to take advantage of lossless audio. I can get uncompressed (lossless) audio from the 5.1 analog outs to my receiver, right? I just won't get 7.1 and can't decode any advanced lossless codecs. Those are the only downsides?
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Originally Posted by Kris Deering View Post

. . . Hate the fact that it is either bitstream or PCM. Deal breaker for me really. . . The audio thing is the same as the PS3. . .

Not sure I follow this.
For standard DVD, will I want to use the optical connection for DD/DTS and 7.1 surround?
If I have both optical and 5.1 analog connections to my B&K 507, will it prioritize the signal automatically. That is, will it play the uncompressed PCM (when available) from a BluRay disc but use optical for standard DVDs?
Or is this not possible from the BDP1200?
Any clarification around how audio would work for me is greatly appreciated!
post #327 of 6042
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Originally Posted by RobHT View Post

I don't plan on upgrading my receiver (B&K AVR-507) for a while but I want to take advantage of lossless audio. I can get uncompressed (lossless) audio from the 5.1 analog outs to my receiver, right? I just won't get 7.1 and can't decode any advanced lossless codecs. Those are the only downsides?

Correct. By using the analog inputs on your receiver, you may also lose any enhanced sound modes it may have. That would depend on the design of the receiver.

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For standard DVD, will I want to use the optical connection for DD/DTS and 7.1 surround?

There is no such thing as 7.1 DD/DTS.

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If I have both optical and 5.1 analog connections to my B&K 507, will it prioritize the signal automatically. That is, will it play the uncompressed PCM (when available) from a BluRay disc but use optical for standard DVDs?

No. The Samsung always outputs on all [optical, analog, hdmi] simultaneously, it doesn't switch between them depending on the type of signal. You'll have to press a button on your remote (if it has one) to switch over to the optical input on your B&K. My understanding is that the Samsung will decode Dolby Digital and output it as LPCM over the analog outputs.
post #328 of 6042
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Originally Posted by bfdtv View Post

Until a title is released with 7.1, that's hard to confirm. AFAIK, no Blu-ray titles are released in the U.S. market with more than 6.1.

However, the Broadcom decoder in the BD-P1200 supports 7.1 output via HDMI. The older Broadcom decoder in the BD-P1000 did not.

I had the Samsung bdp-1000 for about 6 months and it would not do 6.1 (anything higher than 5.1).

So I would assume if it can do 6.1 it will do 7.1 audio also. Can someone poke in X-men and check???
post #329 of 6042
Took the plunge on the 1200 via Dell. It arrived yesterday after only a few days. Was not double-boxed, but was shipped locally via DHL and looked fine. Hooked it up via DVI to my Samsung DLP-HLS5087, which itself is only a week old. This 1080P/60 setup replaces a Pioneer 503CMX/LGDVB418 (720P) setup in my main living room. The LG has the macrovision / 1080i hack that lookes awesome especially in 720P mode to the plasma.

The 1200 was setup in < 5 minutes and performed flawlessly for about six hours last night. The Info from the DLP displays 1080P (1920x1080).

For SW, I did not choose wisely (Night At The Museum BR). Based upon the average reviews of that title, I'll not go into any detail here. The picture did look very sharp with alot of grain in the background. For regular old DVD, I dropped in "Chocalate" which did look very good, but a little soft to my eyes and I'm not that familiar with this title enough to be subjectively critical of it's presentation on this new setup.

For audio, I'm using Pioneer 1014 receiver via digital coax(bitcode), I'll hook up the 5.1 later. This sounds good, but I did notice some "dropouts" during chapter changes while watching the Night At the Museum. These were very brief, the receiver didn't change modes and the wife didn't even notice. I suspect it's just silent space on the recording/transfer or an element of the 110 S/N Ratio (whatever it is, it's probably a good thing). Since no-one else has reported an issue with chapter changes, I'm hopeful this is the case. I did notice the low volume via the DVI connection to the TV and will try some tips noted above (PCM downsample = off, Audio:Speakers = Large).

If Night At the Museum is an average transfer than it looks like the 1200 is a keeper and matches very well with the 2006 DLPs.
post #330 of 6042
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Originally Posted by RJ28462 View Post

Took the plunge on the 1200 via Dell. It arrived yesterday after only a few days. Was not double-boxed, but was shipped locally via DHL and looked fine. Hooked it up via DVI to my Samsung DLP-HLS5087, which itself is only a week old. This 1080P/60 setup replaces a Pioneer 503CMX/LGDVB418 (720P) setup in my main living room. The LG has the macrovision / 1080i hack that lookes awesome especially in 720P mode to the plasma.

The 1200 was setup in < 5 minutes and performed flawlessly for about six hours last night. The Info from the DLP displays 1080P (1920x1080).

For SW, I did not choose wisely (Night At The Museum BR). Based upon the average reviews of that title, I'll not go into any detail here. The picture did look very sharp with alot of grain in the background. For regular old DVD, I dropped in "Chocalate" which did look very good, but a little soft to my eyes and I'm not that familiar with this title enough to be subjectively critical of it's presentation on this new setup.

For audio, I'm using Pioneer 1014 receiver via digital coax(bitcode), I'll hook up the 5.1 later. This sounds good, but I did notice some "dropouts" during chapter changes while watching the Night At the Museum. These were very brief, the receiver didn't change modes and the wife didn't even notice. I suspect it's just silent space on the recording/transfer or an element of the 110 S/N Ratio (whatever it is, it's probably a good thing). Since no-one else has reported an issue with chapter changes, I'm hopeful this is the case. I did notice the low volume via the DVI connection to the TV and will try some tips noted above (PCM downsample = off, Audio:Speakers = Large).

If Night At the Museum is an average transfer than it looks like the 1200 is a keeper and matches very well with the 2006 DLPs.

I also have a Pio 1014 AVR and am considering the Sammy BR player. So I will be very interested to hear how 5.1 analog audio works with these two. Curious as to whethter you find it to be noticeably better than what you get over the digital audio output. From what I've been reading, it seems that one looses some of the control functions in the AVR when using multchannel analog audio input.
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