Samsung BDP1200 Master/Owner's Thread - Page 3

It seems to me even if it could hold 2-3 fairly well it has the potential for artifacts with the deinterlacing step. And no advanced audio codecs is an even bigger issue.

The Toshiba HD-XA2 uses the Reon chip also, though I don't know what decoder it uses. I have seen one review that rated it's deinterlacing performance pretty highly. Whether the performance there can be applied to the the Samsung remains to be seen, but it is encouraging.

I probably wrote the review

Holding cadence for regular 60hz playback is simple, converting it to 24hz seems to be another task altogether.

What you are not getting is that it is not
1080p24>1080p24

Between that it is 1080i60, not 1080p24 right off the disc like the Sony.

Michael....why not buy some " Y " connectors ? Hook them up to the Pioneer, then attach each of the speaker cables from your BP-P1200 and Denon dvd player to the " Y " connector. Just make sure you don't have the Denon AND the Samsung ON AT THE SAME TIME

ALSO...Michael...Since I have a Pioneer Elite VSX 45TX, I'm very intrested in how yours handles the LFE since I'm seriously considering the Samsung BD-P1200 also. Meaning I want to know how the Pioneer handles the LFE on the analog 5.1. Maybe....just for now to try it, un-hook the Denon and plug in the Samsung....pretty please I plan on hooking up by both 5.1 ( using "Y " cables for my dvd-audio discs ) and the digital cable.

You must not have had 24hz turned on with the BDP-S1. My Sony shows 1080p/24.

are you even reading what everyone else is posting?

Well, it's tough to see once you have already made your purchase. The person he says is "very wrong" is one of the world's authorities. One would do well to read his website, then read it again.

Just wanted to ask if anyone had a chance to try out the standard DVD upconversion, and if so, how it might compare to the Toshiba model which also uses the Reon. Is it just as good, or perhaps even better?

they should be identical since both share the same interlacer.

I don't think I would go with Y-connectors for the 5.1 analog. That just seems too risky with possible multiple signals competing on the same circuit. I think instead, I will buy a 4-1 component video switcher from Monoprice. They have them for about $34 dollars. This switcher should double as a 5.1 analog audio switcher - if they implemented it as a passive unit - which for the price - seems like they would.

As for connecting up the Samsung BD-P1200 directly to my Pioneer VSX-49tx via 5.1 analog audio - I've done that. For now, I just moved the cables from the Denon DVD player to the Samsung. Now I can listen to the "uncompressed" soundtrack on Blu-Ray discs like "Casino Royale" and "Into The Blue." As expected, it sounds fantastic - but I can't say that it necessarily sounds better than the compressed DD I was listening to previously via the optical SPDIF connector. The LFE on the 5.1 analog was very apparent and the Pioneer did a fine job of sending the low freqs to my 2 subwoofers.

There are a few things to consider about using 5.1 analog: First, it is uncompressed - so that's goodness. Second, I don't believe the Pioneer receiver makes any distance adjustments for the audio - which may be a problem. I'll have to do more A/B testing to determine if this is an issue. The Pioneer does apply level and equalization adjustments - if you choose the multi-channel input adjust mode - so that's good. Finally, the receiver has no way decoding rear channel information from the 5.1 analog surrounds - to get 6.1 or 7.1 sound - so the only thing the receiver knows how to do is to send the same signals that are going to the surrounds, to the rears. For movies, I think this is a real issue for folks with a 6.1 or 7.1 setup. When using the optical digital signal, the receiver can decode the rear channel information, and send it separately to the rears. In this case, the rears speakers are sharing the same signal - but it is a distinct channel from the surrounds. I think I will end up preferring the optical audio method over the 5.1 analog - but time will tell.

Actually one of the few you didn't write, it came from Ultimate AV Mag's website.

You make a good point. The Toshiba, in fact, does not do 24hz at this time. The postive review was the Reon going from 1080i to 1080p60.

I have to agree, any time another step is needed the potential exists for issues.

All that means is that it looks better in your eyes. It might even look better in the majority of people's eyes, but that will be determined once more people get to viewing BD's on it.

Also, can anyone confirm if his display accepts 1080p/24? I downloaded the manual and didn't see any mention of it. Not that it matters as 1080p/24 should only reduce judder not improve PQ for everything, at least from my basic understanding of it.

Anyway, all that matters is that you are happy with your purchase.

No his display does not have 1080p/24hz capability. Like I said I talked to 2 samsung reps today and they both said the samsung bd-p1200 can not output 1080p/24hz natively.

I understand the player has to go from 1080/60 to 1080/24, I just wanted to make sure about the display's capabilities.

Thanks, for the answer.

Would you all elaborate on the terms head/toe room and black and white clipping in reference to these players. I am a tech person so the short version will work.

Can anyone verify if this player has a good 720p output for blu-ray?

Also, it would be good to have a comparion for regular dvd output between this player and Toshiba hdxa2. I know they have the same deinterlacer chip, but implementation migh be different.

Tom McMahon (Broadcom) has stated in the Industry Insiders Thread long time ago that the Broadcom decoders *can* output 1080p24.

You're missing my point. There are multiple "correct" ways to upsample chroma resolution. Mitchell upsampling looks a bit different compared to Lanczos upsampling compared to bilinear upsampling. But they are all correct and they all retain the full resolution of the chroma signal.

It's the same way with scaling algorithms. Many people claim Lumagen has the best upscaling algorithm. But is only the Lumagen algorithm correct and the VP50 algorithm is incorrect? No, they're both "correct", but still they look different.

In the same way chroma upsampling can look different, too. As a result you cannot state that it's impossible to improve upon a specific player only because the player is doing everything correctly. There may be a better way of doing everything correctly than the Sony is using.

bfdtv,

What does this mean? My XA2 is HDMI 1.3 and I would be a bit surprised if it could not pass the bitstream of the new audio codecs to a HDMI 1.3 AV receiver.

I thought HDMV is more of a scripting environment for disc interactivity. What would that have to do with the sound???

-Evangelo2

Is there any missing hardware that would prevent True-HD decoding, or can this be added with a firmware update? I was considering this unit if it could decode True-HD and send it over HDMI to my Denon AVR-2807.

"Advanced" content authoring on HD-DVD defines that audio mixing be done inside the player. Hence, on those titles, HD-DVDs will not output those bitstreams to an external receiver for decoding.

It was never clear to me whether a manufacturer could design a HD-DVD player with the option to disable internal mixing and output those codecs to a HDMI 1.3 receiver, and still receive certification (for the HD-DVD logo).

No Blu-ray titles are authored in that way, because no standalone Blu-ray players support internal mixing. That feature is mandated with the 1.1 players after October 31, and at some point after that, we'll see the first Blu-ray titles to use it.

Wendell,

I'm not Kris but I do play these in TV.

In case Kris doesn't return for a while I can speculate that he is referencing that the PS3 does not pass codes below 16 and above 235. As to the head/toe room he is possibly referencing the usage of these codes to aid in processing, by players that allow for it, to lessen rounding errors.

As you know this is more useful with CRT setups that exhibit black float though modern clamping circuits should ameliorate that. With a digital it is less so, though personally I prefer the ability to set my white level such that it has a soft clip (headroom).

It is moot as to whether the PS3 will ever be able to pass codes outside the 16 to 235 range.

ted

Just ordered this from CC. Nobody else seems to have it yet.

A Samsung having a great picture? Sounds April Fools to me!!

this guy sounds like he works for samsung.lol.lol

I thought this exact same thing when I first read this post...and still do