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post #61 of 2339
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Originally Posted by supacoopa View Post

Am I alone to believe that these first generation so-called uniplayers will be bug ridden and extremely expensive?

They will be expensive and yes the LG player is bug ridden (No HDi)

but prices will come down and players will improve with time.
post #62 of 2339
More universal players. More software. Less fanboys.
post #63 of 2339
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Originally Posted by tranzparentl View Post

They will be expensive and yes the LG player is bug ridden (No HDi)

Technically speaking that doesn't make it bug-ridden - rather spec-crippled.
post #64 of 2339
If this player is true, it's too bad they are using Faroudja for DVD upscaling (even though it's cheaper). If they were to use the Reon chipset, this would have the potential to be quite a good player for all three formats.
post #65 of 2339
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Originally Posted by tranzparentl View Post

They will be expensive and yes the LG player is bug ridden (No HDi)

but prices will come down and players will improve with time.

So far, my LG has been working great. And I prefer it over my A1 (which does have HDi). I feel like Switzerland! Especially when I'm in the video store and treat the HD-DVD and Blu-Ray shelfs like one big single selection!
post #66 of 2339
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Originally Posted by En Sabur Nur View Post

More universal players. More software. Less fanboys.

word.
post #67 of 2339
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Originally Posted by DavidHir View Post

If this player is true, it's too bad they are using Faroudja for DVD upscaling (even though it's cheaper). If they were to use the Reon chipset, this would have the potential to be quite a good player for all three formats.

Frankly, I'm not concerned about standard DVD playback on these units. I already have a good standard DVD player with an external scaler and video processor. So I still use that setup for standard DVD's. And I run the LG directly to projector for HD-DVD/Blu-Ray.
post #68 of 2339
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Originally Posted by egcarter View Post

Not in the Majap world (Major Appliances).

Yes, I'm sure there are some market segments where LG is tops. It would be hard for that not to be the case since they are of the same scale and compete in dozens of billion-dollar annual markets, from financial services to healthcare. Maybe LG kicks Samsung's butt in the vending machine or laundry worlds, who knows? It is tiresome to qualify everything one posts, so one would assume that since we are here in Audio Visual Sciences Forum, we are talking about that market, OK?
post #69 of 2339
Um...so is ther even a shred of evidence confirming this? Or is it another rumor brought on in the death throws of a format war?
post #70 of 2339
A 10 percent premium (as indicated by the article translation) over single-format players (presumably blu-ray) would not be bad at all.

It's just a matter of whether Samsung truly delivers on this player. Will it really decode all the sound formats? Will it overcome the shortcomings of the LG player and for that matter Samsung's first buggy unit? If so, it will set a new standard.

Add 7.1 analog outputs and it will have me, but the trend seems to be to eliminate them altogether. I just don't get why the players have 5.1 when the soundtracks go up to 7.1 (even PCM). I guess they just don't want the added expense of those D/A converters. Sad. Nothing like forcing people to buy new receivers. I'd rather pay a hundred or a couple hundred more, than 500-600 on a receiver, but I digress.
post #71 of 2339
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Originally Posted by ottscay View Post

Um...so is ther even a shred of evidence confirming this?

Yes.
post #72 of 2339
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Originally Posted by joshd2012 View Post

Google has everything, so if it doesn't pass the Google test, its very hard to believe.

if thats the case where is this fabled Sony DVR/BD player

Sony BDPSX

Google cant find that either i guess it dosent exist
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post #74 of 2339
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Originally Posted by b.greenway View Post

Yes.

Well gee, since you put it that way

Is there any shred of confirmation fromsomeone who has standards of evidence?
post #75 of 2339
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Originally Posted by ottscay View Post

Well gee, since you put it that way

Is there any shred of confirmation fromsomeone who has standards of evidence?

You mean like a website that says that it's coming?
post #76 of 2339
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

Ask JSP what he thinks of that "war."

OK, so you are not old enough to remember the DVD and Divx War.
Divx machines also played regular DVDs.
And the rest, as they say, is history.

DVD vs. DivX was a totally different war. Yes, there was two competing formats, but DivX was a pay-per-view media. It was overwhelming that the general public didn't want to continue to "rent it" after they already bought it.

HD-DVD vs. Blu-ray is much more like the +R/-R war, in this case. When dual format burners came out, buying +R/-R became only a matter of preference and not what you were restricted to.

If more dual format HD players come out, the same will be for this media. The only thing that will matter is what movie you want to buy. At that point, who cares if there's two formats.
post #77 of 2339
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Originally Posted by Slim GoodBooty View Post

You mean like a website that says that it's coming?

Yeah, you know like the website that said certain Spielberg movies "were coming soon to HD DVD" :
post #78 of 2339
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Originally Posted by Rutgar View Post

Naaa... it only continues the war for those who are still playing. With a universal player, you're no longer playing.

I agree, in order to be in a war one must choose a side, if you choose neutral you not taking side hence no war for you. Let the fools fight it out!
post #79 of 2339
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Originally Posted by Nox View Post

DVD vs. DivX was a totally different war. Yes, there was two competing formats, but DivX was a pay-per-view media. It was overwhelming that the general public didn't want to continue to "rent it" after they already bought it.

HD-DVD vs. Blu-ray is much more like the +R/-R war, in this case. When dual format burners came out, buying +R/-R became only a matter of preference and not what you were restricted to.

If more dual format HD players come out, the same will be for this media. The only thing that will matter is what movie you want to buy. At that point, who cares if there's two formats.

The thing is Beta was actually the superior format and survived for many years (in some cases still is surviving) in the broadcast industry due to its superior video quality vs. VHS. Funny when you consider VHS is now dead. Had there been combo players for that format war, I'm not sure what would have happened. But I think the Beta would have been the comeback kid, much like it appears BD will be.

Beta had a shortcoming in that the tapes were shorter. A two hour movie required two cassettes. Eventually, they were able to make them longer, but by then VHS had cleaned up and we were stuck with a format that was technically inferior. If there had been combo players, perhaps Beta would have survived long enough to mature and be accepted as the superior format. Once people could have their movies looking better on Beta would they keep buying VHS?

With BD vs. HD-DVD it isn't picture quality, but overall capacity and functionality (ability for more lossless language tracks, less disc switching, etc.). How many discs do people want to accomodate in their homes? Believe me I wish we'd had slim cases at the launch of the DVD format. And most of my TV series volumes don't match since no one knew WTF they were doing with packaging. Less discs = less racks = better. I only have so many walls.

And again, biggest of all, it's the movie studios and retailers who will ultimately decide the fate of the format war. More back Blu-ray. As Blu-ray pulls ahead, the temptation for neutral studios will likely be to drop HD-DVD. If retailers start pulling it (so they get some HD disc sales instead of none (customer sees two different color boxes to choose from, scratches head, walks away) this adds pressure to do that. It's cheaper to release on just one format.

If neutral studios see their BDs significantly outselling their HD-DVDs (and BDs outselling HD-DVDs generally), they will eventually realize they can drop the format selling less and eventually gain them back on BD. Remember, they LOVE reselling movies to you. When you give up on your HD-DVD player, guess what the exact same Matrix release you bought is now available for you to spin on that spiffy new BD player. (To me, this is actually the market that will be buying combo players -- early adopters who want to save space and hookups, and possibly resell their old players.) Other studios will also want to be on the winning side -- the side that is actually making money.

And while there seems any number of reasons for studios to increase their support of Blu-ray, there seems very little pressure for the Blu-ray exclusive studios to start supporting HD-DVD (except maybe in Europe, but they drive on the wrong side of the road too ). The combo units slow this process, but I don't think they'll undo it. If combo units became the norm neutral studios would be stupid to keep producing on both formats. They could just take their pick. And they'll pick whatever is more successful. Maybe Universal wants to be the big name that drives the sale of universal players (eerie coincidence, no?) but it's asking a lot of consumers (the mainstream J6P consumers) to pay any kind of premium to be able to play their discs on the same machine they play their BDs.
post #80 of 2339
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Originally Posted by Rutgar View Post

Naaa... it only continues the war for those who are still playing. With a universal player, you're no longer playing.

Agree -- only people who win in the format war is / are the studios and C/E companies.
post #81 of 2339
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Originally Posted by dhodory View Post

Agree -- only people who win in the format war is / are the studios and C/E companies.

i don't know if i agree with that look at the current prices, feature sets, and quality. the format war has its positives and negatives
post #82 of 2339
i dont quite understand the simularities to BD vs HDDVD and DVD-R to DVD+R both will play in pretty much any player, and both hold the same ammount of data, i never understood why there were two formats anyway
post #83 of 2339
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Originally Posted by ottscay View Post

Well gee, since you put it that way

Is there any shred of confirmation fromsomeone who has standards of evidence?

See, there you go using that word shred again.
post #84 of 2339
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Originally Posted by solo88 View Post

And while there seems any number of reasons for studios to increase their support of Blu-ray, there seems very little pressure for the Blu-ray exclusive studios to start supporting HD-DVD (except maybe in Europe, but they drive on the wrong side of the road too ).

I generally agreed with your post, except that it's only the UK that drives on the left side of the road. And Japan and Australia. But continental Europe drives on the right side of the road. Quite sure, as I was driving there last week...
post #85 of 2339
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Originally Posted by ottscay View Post

Well gee, since you put it that way

Is there any shred of confirmation fromsomeone who has standards of evidence?

Ottscay:

I am trying to get something from the HD DVD and BD insiders in the "Insiders" thread. So far Amir is the only one who has responded and his was shall we say "non committal." No BD insider has even attempted to respond. All I ask is "Has a BD exclusive CE Gone Neutral?"
post #86 of 2339
Fair enough. I just saw three pages of speculation about what this means, and wanted to cut to the chase as to whether it even happened. If Amir is hedging his bets, I'd say "no" (remember how excited they were about the non-announcement of Meridian?).

And B.Greenway, you're right, I said "shred", and the website would fall under that broad category. Smart-a$$ remark withdrawn. I eagerly await confirmation one way or another, but in the meantime I'm filing this under my "not likely" section pending further information.
post #87 of 2339
It's not on a website at all (except for this one). It's in a print magazine. The scan posted earlier does not at all look fake, but I agree that there are many reasons why it might not really happen, not the least of which being earlier Samsung head-fakes.

I do find it strange that the usual suspects (gizmodo, engadget, slashdot, hardocp...) aren't all over this. Most of those sites seem to love posting rumor material, even obvious photoshops sometimes. And they do obviously trawl avsforum for hot leads. Hi guys!! Smile and wave everybody!
post #88 of 2339
I just did a Google search and the AVS thread is the only thing that came up. I hope that if Samsung is for real that it will be better than what LG put out. If Meridian was to actually make an HD-DVD player maybe they will do a uniplayer? If so since it would be a true high end player they might include SACD and DVD-A as well. And since I already own a HD-A1 there is no reason to pick up the uni Samsung. Plus I would rather have two seperate HD players in case one player fails I do not loose both. I am sure over the next 6 months we will see a number of new HDMI 1.3 HD players. Sony just posted the new player that is slated to come out this summer and will cost $599. Has anyone heard about the price point on the new Samsung?

Would be interested to see a link if anyone has one with information on the uni Samsung.
post #89 of 2339
I hardley think that already owning an A-1 is reason to not buy a universal player for BD. The A-1 is 1080i.
post #90 of 2339
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Originally Posted by ottscay View Post

I generally agreed with your post, except that it's only the UK that drives on the left side of the road. And Japan and Australia. But continental Europe drives on the right side of the road. Quite sure, as I was driving there last week...

Haha. I knew that was coming. Even Shakespeare bent the rules if it sounded good.
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