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post #1471 of 3501
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Originally Posted by WPWoodJr View Post

By setting brightness up to 46, you upped the brightness of the "straight black" you mentioned in an earlier post, but compensated for the extra blackness of setting gamma down.

The revised settings have a lower white balance offset for darker blacks, and higher contrast as a result, while maintaining brightness at 44, the lowest it can go without black crush. By keeping the brightness at 44, the black bars on SD 4:3 channels (not HD 16:9 channels with simulated black bars) will be at their blackest.

I've been using them and I have to say they are pretty darned good. I don't know why but with my old settings everything started looking flat and dingy. I was thinking it was the set but the new settings bring back depth.

I have not yet calibrated with HCF. I don't have time at night to do it unfortunately but will try this weekend.
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Some pics from settings in post 1500 (backlight 8, dynamic contrast Low):






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Thanks wood. You've saved me much time and headache
post #1474 of 3501
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Originally Posted by Norse View Post

I find that if the 8300 upconverts 720p to 1080i before going to the sammy 4665f it greatly reduces blurring. Perhaps the sammy does 1080i to 1080p well but is nt as capable going 720p to 1080p?? /shrug....thats just my observation. May have just been bad day for the cable company.


Hey WoodJr, thx..I will def give those a shot and comment as soon as I can.



Thanks Norse, I am going to give that a try. I just switched my cable box from Component to HDMI. However, I also switched screen size to Just Scan. However have you noticed that on letterbox channels with the 8300 that on some of those channels some noise appears at the top of the screen? Just a single line or two? This is not the case on the full HD 16:9 channels and not all the 4:3 channels. Any solution to that issue aside from changing back to 16:9 on the Sammy?

Thanks.
post #1475 of 3501
IMHO,wood these new settings are the best ones u have done..I run the backlight at 7 but I still need to see where my CB is set,I know I have 1080I set but not sure on the RGB....

My 4665F looks awesome w/these settings
Thanks Wood
post #1476 of 3501
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Originally Posted by 2006GTO View Post

IMHO,wood these new settings are the best ones u have done..I run the backlight at 7 but I still need to see where my CB is set to,I know I have 1080I set but not sure on the RGB....

My 4665F looks awesome w/these settings
Thanks Wood

I agree, great work Wood!
post #1477 of 3501
Awesome job, Woody. I am using your settings for tv viewing at the moment as follows:

Woody's settings toned to Norse's avg to low light rooms preference.

The settings:
Picture
Mode Movie
Contrast 85
Brightness 44
Sharpness 20
Color 50
Tint 50
Backlight 4

Color Tone Warm1
Digital NR Auto

Detailed Settings
Black Adjust Off
Dynamic Contrast Low
Gamma -1
Color Space Auto
Edge Enhancement On
xvYCC Off

White Balance
R-Offset 21
G-Offset 20
B-Offset 21
R-Gain 0
G-Gain 21
B-Gain 26

My Color Control
Pink 20
Green 15
Blue 15
White 15

Setup
Energy Saving Off
HDMI Black Level Low

No matter what contrast or backlight settings each person prefers, the rest of the Woody settings should be considered the baseline perfect settings for everyone. I am going to try these with my ps3 as well tonight when its dark so I can be sure the black bars are to my liking. I am confident I will be happy.
post #1478 of 3501
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Originally Posted by jcdagget View Post

Thanks Norse, I am going to give that a try. I just switched my cable box from Component to HDMI. However, I also switched screen size to Just Scan. However have you noticed that on letterbox channels with the 8300 that on some of those channels some noise appears at the top of the screen? Just a single line or two? This is not the case on the full HD 16:9 channels and not all the 4:3 channels. Any solution to that issue aside from changing back to 16:9 on the Sammy?

Thanks.

thats normal as that line is the broadcasters closed caption data...switching to 16:9 mode is the only fix.
post #1479 of 3501
Woody, you should use post 1500 as the official settings post for future users. That will be easy to remember when sending people here from other threads.
post #1480 of 3501
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Originally Posted by Norse View Post

thats normal as that line is the broadcasters closed caption data...switching to 16:9 mode is the only fix.

Thanks!
post #1481 of 3501
Hey woody,

These are great settings and it looks really nice when playing video games on the PS3. Thanks for you effort!
post #1482 of 3501
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Originally Posted by Norse View Post

Woody, you should use post 1500 as the official settings post for future users. That will be easy to remember when sending people here from other threads.

LOL - I'll try and grab it! I'll have to try the contrast at 85 too.

Glad you guys all like the settings.
post #1483 of 3501
Great stuff.

I do have a question. I keep the energy savings on auto, is that effectively changing my backlight strength based on the light level of the room?
Because then I could effectively keep backlight on 8 as in Woods latest, and have it automatically go down a bit if i watch in pitch black conditions. Or is that not how it works?
post #1484 of 3501
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Originally Posted by andydumi View Post

Great stuff.

I do have a question. I keep the energy savings on auto, is that effectively changing my backlight strength based on the light level of the room?
Because then I could effectively keep backlight on 8 as in Woods latest, and have it automatically go down a bit if i watch in pitch black conditions. Or is that not how it works?

Great question and a good idea! Why don't you test it and let us know?
post #1485 of 3501
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Originally Posted by Norse View Post

Woody, you should use post 1500 as the official settings post for future users. That will be easy to remember when sending people here from other threads.

Post 1500!

The post count ain't that high yet. Norse, you've been drinking this early?

I am glad to see that we are getting to a uniform platform for settings, barring the SM (ISF) calibration. FWIW, I use Wood's settings on both HDMI & Component, with the exception of BL at 4 and Contrast at 90. Sometimes, I switch Black Adjust to Low and Energy Saving to Medium.
post #1486 of 3501
The new Woody settings are gold. Been watching cable all day with them (well, more towards Norse's dark settings) and skin colors finally look right. I tried calibrating with them, but for some reason all my readings show far too much blue, even with Wood's settings. I think my Spyder is hosed.
post #1487 of 3501
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Originally Posted by axmode View Post

Post 1500!

The post count ain't that high yet. Norse, you've been drinking this early?

I am glad to see that we are getting to a uniform platform for settings, barring the SM (ISF) calibration. FWIW, I use Wood's settings on both HDMI & Component, with the exception of BL at 4 and Contrast at 90. Sometimes, I switch Black Adjust to Low and Energy Saving to Medium.


this is post #1487 already so we are close. what you been smokin?
post #1488 of 3501
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Originally Posted by andydumi View Post

Great stuff.

I do have a question. I keep the energy savings on auto, is that effectively changing my backlight strength based on the light level of the room?
Because then I could effectively keep backlight on 8 as in Woods latest, and have it automatically go down a bit if i watch in pitch black conditions. Or is that not how it works?

Unfortunately, no. Our sets don't have an ambient light sensor so it doesn't respond in that way. I've tested it by displaying a static image on the screen and changing room brightness. A Sony set I used to own had this feature and the screen would noticeably dim with lower light levels, but not ours.

The manual states that the setting will adjust power levels based on the "scene" being displayed. My guess is that it somehow determines a scene with lots of dark areas and lowers backlighting.
post #1489 of 3501
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Originally Posted by tgycagel View Post

Unfortunately, no. Our sets don't have an ambient light sensor so it doesn't respond in that way. I've tested it by displaying a static image on the screen and changing room brightness. A Sony set I used to own had this feature and the screen would noticeably dim with lower light levels, but not ours.

The manual states that the setting will adjust power levels based on the "scene" being displayed. My guess is that it somehow determines a scene with lots of dark areas and lowers backlighting.

That would seem to be a contrast setting then not an energy saving mode?
post #1490 of 3501
I've got a 4061 on order from that large river in South America. It is supposed to be here in about 10 days. I hope that I don't have any issues with it. The price was good, it seems to have dropped a few hundred bones since I last checked. This will be mounted on the bedroom wall, so I'll definitely be starting with the advised settings from this thread. Thanks for doing the legwork!

Time to upgrade the living room set as well - probably looking at a 60" Sony SXRD or 61" Samsung DLP. I'll know which way to go on this in the next few weeks. I'll likely do that purchase at a local B&M.
post #1491 of 3501
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Originally Posted by Ten 99 View Post

I've got a 4061 on order from that large river in South America. It is supposed to be here in about 10 days. I hope that I don't have any issues with it. The price was good, it seems to have dropped a few hundred bones since I last checked. This will be mounted on the bedroom wall, so I'll definitely be starting with the advised settings from this thread. Thanks for doing the legwork!

Time to upgrade the living room set as well - probably looking at a 60" Sony SXRD or 61" Samsung DLP. I'll know which way to go on this in the next few weeks. I'll likely do that purchase at a local B&M.

Respectfully, please stick with the owner's thread for such material:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=847465

We try to keep the calibration thread away from this kind of post. Thank you.
post #1492 of 3501
Is there a big difference in having the BRIGHTNESS at 45 and BLACK ADJUST on OFF vs. having BRIGHTNESS on 47 with BLACK ADJUST on low? If so,what is it? I understand it kinda depends on the lighting in the room.In a dark setting the amount of detail SEEMS the same,although for now I'm choosing the former.
post #1493 of 3501
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Originally Posted by LAKE4742 View Post

Is there a big difference in having the BRIGHTNESS at 45 and BLACK ADJUST on OFF vs. having BRIGHTNESS on 47 with BLACK ADJUST on low? If so,what is it? I understand it kinda depends on the lighting in the room.In a dark setting the amount of detail SEEMS the same,although for now I'm choosing the former.

Good question, I don't really know what Black Adjust does.
post #1494 of 3501
Ok fellows...I am an amateur when it comes to settings on an LCD/HDTV.

I am trying desperately to find settings that are Crisp and CLear for the 720P and 1080i broadcasts that I get. I have DirecTV hr20-100 HD/DVR. I am connecting thru HDMI. I am noticing that there is a lot of pixelation when the broadcast makes those fast cuts to a different scene or things move really fast. Is this a setting I can fix or is this a compression issue with the broadcast form DTV.

I will try the many settings I have discovered in this forum and see what works. My MAIN issue is the pixelation and sometimes the component seems sharper Crisper and the HDMI seems fuzzy.

Thanks for all your help in advance and I look forward to your responses.
post #1495 of 3501
Quick, Woody, make 4 quick posts to snag 1500. LOL


Pauper, thats a compression issue most likely. Only time I ever see that stuff is on tv..blu ray, hd dvd, gaming, etc never shows that.
post #1496 of 3501
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Originally Posted by Norse View Post

Quick, Woody, make 4 quick posts to snag 1500. LOL


Pauper, thats a compression issue most likely. Only time I ever see that stuff is on tv..blu ray, hd dvd, gaming, etc never shows that.

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*** This is the (in)famous Post 1500, despite it having slipped to 1499 because someone deleted an earlier post ***

These hardware calibrated settings came about because thread members felt the settings in post 964 were not dark enough and had too high a gamma. The response to these new settings has been quite positive. The TV's gamma setting is -1 in these settings and some white balance changes have been made to accommodate the gamma change. Please try these settings at Backlight from 0-10 and Contrast from 85-100 and let me know what you think. I used Backlight 10 and Contrast 100 for awhile in a lighted room. Recently I've had Backlight at 9 and Contrast at 88 - easier on the eyes, darker blacks, and highlights are less intense/washed out. Norse and others use Backlight 4 and Contrast 85 for a more subdued, movie-like setting that's good in darker rooms.

Here's a link to some photos of Letterman, Leno, etc taken with these settings.

Notes: This calibration produces excellent black detail without sacrificing dark blacks. I like a little pop so I have set "Dynamic Contrast" to "Low" after calibration.

Firmware Versions: The green gain changed in firmware 1032 and above, see "G-Gain" in the "White Balance" settings below for details.

Movie Mode vs Standard Mode: Sept 15th - I've added a calibration for Standard Mode (HDMI only; firmware 1032 and above) after the Movie Mode settings below. You can set up your TV to be properly calibrated in both modes but with slightly different settings (eg Dynamic Contrast "Off", a lower Backlight/Contrast, or different gamma) in one of them and then easily switch back and forth between them depending on the content.

Oct 16th - I now prefer the Standard Mode settings - they seem very slightly less green on skin tones than the Movie Mode settings. I've also upped my Backlight from 8 to 10.

Nov 10th - I upped the Pink control to 21 on Movie mode settings and that seems to have fixed the skin tones. Also, as noted above, recently I've put the Backlight down to 9 and Contrast at 88.

Calibration stats: I used HCFR with a DTP-94 colorimeter to do the calibration.

For Backlight 8 and Contrast 100 over HDMI, average Gamma is 2.21; color temperature is 6500 +214 / -143 except at IRE 10 where it climbs to 7288; Delta E is mostly under 3; minimum black is 0.29 and maximum white is 375.84; contrast ratio (with Dynamic Contrast Off) is 1296:1. Look at the first attached JPG to see graphs of the calibration from HCFR at Backlight 8 and Contrast 100.

For Backlight 4 and Contrast 85 over HDMI, average Gamma is 2.16; color temperature is 6500 +318 / -189 except at IRE 10 where it climbs to 8005; Delta E is under 3 at 30 IRE and above; minimum black is 0.20 and maximum white is 176.69; contrast ratio (with Dynamic Contrast Off) is 883:1. Look at the second attached JPG to see graphs of the calibration from HCFR at Backlight 4 and Contrast 85.

Component vs HDMI inputs: The Movie Mode settings below were developed for HDMI inputs but work well also for Component inputs; I have noted any changes for Component in the settings below. If you are using a Component input, you can skip the sections below on how to set up your Cable box / DVD, PS3, XBox, etc.

I have not done Component settings for Standard Mode.

Cable box / DVD setting: Set your cable box or DVD player to put out RGB over HDMI if possible. If the box is not putting out RGB, you will know because the TV setting for HDMI Black Level will be grayed out. The settings should still work ok but use RGB if possible, it seems to work better with the Dynamic Contrast "Low" setting. Do not set your cable box or DVD player to put out a "Full" or "Enhanced" RGB range (as this will lead to blacks being too dark, or "crushed"), unless you also set the TV's HDMI Black Level to "Normal" instead of "Low". Play around with it. If your settings look "crushed", set HDMI Black Level to "Normal". Another alternative which works very well is to use the Component outputs of your device and apply the modifications to the settings listed below for Component.

PS3 Setting: When using a PS3, set the PS3 as follows (per this advice from WilliamG):

Output - Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr
RGB Full Range - Limited
Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr Super-White - On

For games, set HDMI Black Level - Low

XBox 360 Setting: When using a 360 with these settings, either 1) set the 360 to "Standard" and set the TV's HDMI Black Level to "Low" as specified below; or 2) set the XBox to "Expanded" and set the TV's HDMI Black Level to "Normal". If you don't use one of these two settings the shadows will be screwed up.

nwhiteside suggested to me that for XBox over VGA, its best to set the XBox to "Expanded".

VGA Setting: When using VGA, be sure to go into the Setup menu and set Home Theater PC to "On" - this will allow you to get into the "Detailed Settings" menu.

Movie Mode settings for HDMI and Component:
Picture
Mode Movie
Contrast 85-100 (85 if you have a dark room and/or like subdued settings, 100 if you like a lot of "pop" or the room is well-lit)
Brightness 44 (46 for Component)
Sharpness 20 (0 for Component)
Color 50
Tint 50
Backlight 0-10 (4 if you have a dark room and/or like subdued settings, 8-10 if you like a lot of "pop" or the room is well-lit)

Color Tone Warm1
Digital NR Auto

Detailed Settings
Black Adjust Off
Dynamic Contrast Low
Gamma -1
Color Space Auto
Edge Enhancement On
xvYCC Off

White Balance
R-Offset 21
G-Offset 20
B-Offset 21
R-Gain 0
G-Gain 19 (21 for firmware versions below 1032)
B-Gain 26

My Color Control
Pink 21 (17 for Component)
Green 15
Blue 15
White 15

Setup
Energy Saving Off
HDMI Black Level Low (will be grayed out if the input is Component or if your HDMI video source is putting out a YCbCr signal instead of RGB - this is OK but RGB may be better as noted above)



Standard Mode settings for HDMI (firmware 1032 and above):
Picture
Mode Standard
Contrast 85-100 (85 if you have a dark room and/or like subdued settings, 100 if you like a lot of "pop" or the room is well-lit)
Brightness 44
Sharpness 20
Color 50
Tint 50
Backlight 0-10 (4 if you have a dark room and/or like subdued settings, 8-10 if you like a lot of "pop" or the room is well-lit)

Color Tone Normal
Digital NR Auto
DNIe On (important - otherwise Detailed Settings will be grayed out)

Detailed Settings
Black Adjust Off
Dynamic Contrast Low
Gamma -1
Color Space Auto
Edge Enhancement On
xvYCC Off

White Balance
R-Offset 21
G-Offset 22
B-Offset 24
R-Gain 17
G-Gain 18
B-Gain 5

My Color Control
Pink 15
Green 15
Blue 15
White 15

Setup
Energy Saving Off
HDMI Black Level Low (will be grayed out if your HDMI video source is putting out a YCbCr signal instead of RGB - this is OK but RGB may be better as noted above)

*** This is the (in)famous Post 1500, despite it having slipped to 1499 because someone deleted an earlier post ***
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post #1500 of 3501
I followed Woods settings, but I noticed something that when I am in the picture settings and switch between dynamic, then movie, when on movie it seems that there is some sort of auto adjust because it changes. Sorry it is actually really hard to explain I guess you have to try it. I just want to make sure it is nothing wrong with my tv. Right when you select the movie setting watch the background and let me know if you notice it change like a second after you select movie because I really like the settings that show up before it switches...any advice, thanks.
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