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post #61 of 3501
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Originally Posted by ctswpt76 View Post

I think people are just trying to find an issue and are freaking out over nothing......but this is my first HDTV, so maybe I'm not correct....??
My HDMI cables and PS3 will all be arriving this week, so then I can play with the HDMI settings too, but right now I'm on S video and Component...

cts

Unfortunately, I have used everyone's settings here, and while they work well for HDMI (and I don't see the bars), they are blaringly there in component. Every time I watch a DVD, the white bars extend about 4 inches on either side... they are in the black portions on the top and bottom of the screen, and they are in the video itself.

I do like the set otherwise, and figure I will have to get a Blu Ray player that runs through HDMI, perhaps.

BUT, this does seem like a major problem for anyone who want to watch anything over component. (Maybe my set is worse than others?)
post #62 of 3501
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Originally Posted by coolburn95 View Post

Unfortunately, I have used everyone's settings here, and while they work well for HDMI (and I don't see the bars), they are blaringly there in component. Every time I watch a DVD, the white bars extend about 4 inches on either side... they are in the black portions on the top and bottom of the screen, and they are in the video itself.

I do like the set otherwise, and figure I will have to get a Blu Ray player that runs through HDMI, perhaps.

BUT, this does seem like a major problem for anyone who want to watch anything over component. (Maybe my set is worse than others?)


Try lowering the brightness setting to around 35-40. This worked for me.
post #63 of 3501
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Originally Posted by marshall110 View Post

Try lowering the brightness setting to around 35-40. This worked for me.

Ok, if I lower the brightness down to 35, they are only slightly noticeable. So, that part is good. However, the picture overall is a lot darker now.

Doesn't it seem a bit wrong that we need to compensate for this by having to lower our brightness to this level (or less to get rid of the whitish bars completely) in component mode?
post #64 of 3501
I did not change much on my Sammy since I can't watch HD till Saturday

anyways I will play tonight with the settings you guys provided

thanks
post #65 of 3501
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Originally Posted by bmrowe View Post

That is actually very good... You are just use to manufacturer specs and the fact that there are many ways to measure contrast ratio.

I guess I should have worded my question properly How does the 835:1 CR compare to other TV such as Sharp/Sony?

I know the specs are never what is achieved in real life but don't know of any real numbers either. The Sammy I'm getting is going to be our first HDTV - finally taking the plunge

KO
post #66 of 3501
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Originally Posted by coolburn95 View Post

Ok, if I lower the brightness down to 35, they are only slightly noticeable. So, that part is good. However, the picture overall is a lot darker now.

Doesn't it seem a bit wrong that we need to compensate for this by having to lower our brightness to this level (or less to get rid of the whitish bars completely) in component mode?

there is other ways to compensate for the brightness at 35...i have mine at 36 backlight at 7...you can also have the energy saver at auto or low....that will brighten up your picture...
post #67 of 3501
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Originally Posted by marshall110 View Post

Try lowering the brightness setting to around 35-40. This worked for me.


marshall im curious to know what setting you are using to get rid of these bars....
post #68 of 3501
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Originally Posted by tee_733 View Post

marshall im curious to know what setting you are using to get rid of these bars....

did you try setting "black adjust" to low?
post #69 of 3501
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Originally Posted by tee_733 View Post

marshall im curious to know what setting you are using to get rid of these bars....

I saw them through component the other night (uneven lighting) and remembered what I read here. It's not there with cable or in component mode with the source off. I bumped my highlight down to 35 and it became perfectly uniform black all the way across. I believe I could push it to 40. It wasn't that bad at all, even when I toggled to Dynamic (backlight @ 10) when I paused the DVD on a black screen, but the blacks were light and not very appealling. My settings I believe were:

Movie Mode
Backlight: 3 or 4
Gamma: -1
Dynamic Contrast: -1
Black adjust: low
Highlight 35
Energy Save: Low (was off when adjusted, but set to low just bc pic was a little bright, didn't have to use it to get a uniform black)
post #70 of 3501
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Originally Posted by marshall110 View Post

I saw them through component the other night (uneven lighting) and remembered what I read here. It's not there with cable or in component mode with the source off. I bumped my highlight down to 35 and it became perfectly uniform black all the way across. I believe I could push it to 40. It wasn't that bad at all, even when I toggled to Dynamic (backlight @ 10) when I paused the DVD on a black screen, but the blacks were light and not very appealling. My settings I believe were:

Movie Mode
Backlight: 3 or 4
Gamma: -1
Dynamic Contrast: -1
Black adjust: low
Highlight 35
Energy Save: Low (was off when adjusted, but set to low just bc pic was a little bright, didn't have to use it to get a uniform black)

Ok, this might explain why I'm seeing this worse than others. I have black adjust and dynamic contrest off. (Though my backlight is at 5.)

I usually turn all of this stuff off, because in general, I find that it messes with the picture.

BUT, I bet some people left them on to get rid of the bars.

Again, though, I think it's a bit of a flaw that we have to use these things (or turn down the brightness by a lot) in order to get rid of the bars on the sides in component mode.

You would think it would handle the bars similar to how it does in HDMI. But they just plain and simply show up MUCH easier in component.
post #71 of 3501
I'm not using any settings in the details menu to get rid of the gray bars via component. Via HDMI, the HDMI low settings does the trick without any messing with other settings. Energy Saving is set to medium and backlight is 7-8.
post #72 of 3501
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Originally Posted by taphil View Post

I'm not using any settings in the details menu to get rid of the gray bars via component. Via HDMI, the HDMI low settings does the trick without any messing with other settings. Energy Saving is set to medium and backlight is 7-8.

Hi Taphil,

Yes, but what about Component? The TV's seem to have much more apparent bars if you operate something through a component connection... to the point where you have to really turn down the brightness (and get a pretty dark picture) to make it work.

It seems like you have to sacrifice picture quality to get rid of the bars in component.
post #73 of 3501
Per the manual, gamma adjusts the brightness in the middle of the screen. So you might be able to 'balance' the screen by adjusting the gamma setting. BTW, my 4661f does not show any non-uniformity (banding, clouds, flashlights, mura) that is noticible under normal use. I have not used a magnifying glass to find any either.
post #74 of 3501
Any recommondations on a calibtation DVD disc. Seen several available for ~$30. Is it worth it or will I have to adjust the set for each program/source. Just trying to get a feel of what to expect.
post #75 of 3501
does anyone have any insights on the hdmi 1.3 capabilities. i have a ps3 hooked to my 4661 using the monoprice cl2 rated cables and im seeing no difference and the xvYCC does nothing but give you that washed out look.
post #76 of 3501
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Originally Posted by coolburn95 View Post

Yes, but what about Component?

Like I said, I don't have any problems with component, no adjustment necessary except brightness (set to 45-55, I don't have to set it low in the 30s) which doesn't sacrifice picture quality. It's funny how some people have more issues with component on their sets, whereas some only have issues with HDMI that can be fixed.
post #77 of 3501
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Originally Posted by zoman504 View Post

does anyone have any insights on the hdmi 1.3 capabilities. i have a ps3 hooked to my 4661 using the monoprice cl2 rated cables and im seeing no difference and the xvYCC does nothing but give you that washed out look.

I think the content also has to be xvYCC compliant. I read somewhere that video games were probably going to be the first to use the format. Some camcorders can also record in xvYCC.
post #78 of 3501
Yea, that's what i read as well, i wonder if any games support it yet.
post #79 of 3501
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Originally Posted by zoman504 View Post

Yea, that's what i read as well, i wonder if any games support it yet.


I think MGS4 will,

I think all the 1st party future games will, the big tittles like God of war 3.

Most sony games I think. cant wait
post #80 of 3501
do you know if the monoprice cl2 rated cables do infact support all the features of hdmi 1.3, such as the 10.2gbps speed, deep color, lip sync, 340mhz bandwith, etc, or would this be a better option?
http://penguinunited.com/products.php?cat=26
post #81 of 3501
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Originally Posted by taphil View Post

Like I said, I don't have any problems with component, no adjustment necessary except brightness (set to 45-55, I don't have to set it low in the 30s) which doesn't sacrifice picture quality. It's funny how some people have more issues with component on their sets, whereas some only have issues with HDMI that can be fixed.

What resolution are you outputting over component? There's an untested hypothesis that it might just be a problem with 480i over component. I'm waiting for another person to test (as my old DVD player only does 480i, and I can't test 480p).

If this is the case, I'm off to get a new DVD player. =P
post #82 of 3501
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Originally Posted by coolburn95 View Post

What resolution are you outputting over component? There's an untested hypothesis that it might just be a problem with 480i over component. I'm waiting for another person to test (as my old DVD player only does 480i, and I can't test 480p).

If this is the case, I'm off to get a new DVD player. =P

480p from DVD player, and my cable box I've tested at 1080i and 720p.
post #83 of 3501
My 5265 just got delivered. Of course i've spent a few days playng around with it and tweaking, but now I'm tired. Can anyone suggest a good ISF calibrator in the Los Angeles area who might know how to tweak this set to it's fullest?
post #84 of 3501
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Originally Posted by coolburn95 View Post

What resolution are you outputting over component? There's an untested hypothesis that it might just be a problem with 480i over component. I'm waiting for another person to test (as my old DVD player only does 480i, and I can't test 480p).

If this is the case, I'm off to get a new DVD player. =P

You're right, it is a problem with 480i. My cable box at 480i causes gray bars on the sides. Moreover, it only appears on the sides of the actual image, not the TV itself. In other words, when viewing 4:3 content, the gray is only limited to picture, and not the sides of the LCD, which actually remain very black. 480p over component doesn't have the issue. Thus, it is purely a processing problem with the TV, not with the LCD panel itself.
post #85 of 3501
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Originally Posted by taphil View Post

You're right, it is a problem with 480i. My cable box at 480i causes gray bars on the sides. Moreover, it only appears on the sides of the actual image, not the TV itself. In other words, when viewing 4:3 content, the gray is only limited to picture, and not the sides of the LCD, which actually remain very black. 480p over component doesn't have the issue. Thus, it is purely a processing problem with the TV, not with the LCD panel itself.

Good to know. I feel much better now. I also just ordered an Oppo 981, so I won't have to deal with this much longer.

Maybe I'm the only person using 480i signals over component these days. =P (Not for long!)

Thank you very much for checking this out, Taphil!
post #86 of 3501
Hi everyone,

I've pored over these boards for months as I struggled with the clouds of the 40v2500.

I finally got CC to switch me to the Samsung 4061. It's a blessing to have a clear black screen. The trade-off? I'm getting an inordinate amount of mosquito noise (i.e. fine grain) when watching Comcast SD channels. I haven't changed a thing with my cable since I installed the Samsung, and it was much clearer on the Sony.

I've played with all the calibration settings on this thread (contrast, DNIe on/off, edge enhancement, NR, etc.). Component is worse than HDMI. Oddly enough, my 480p component connection from my DVD player is perfectly fine. HD looks good as well. It's just SD cable that is giving me problems. It's especially bad on wide shots, and around white titles, where see a distorted halo. Lastly, when I boost Sharpness to 100, the noise lessens.

This will sound silly, but I'd rather have this noise problem than return to the Sony's clouds. So instead of contemplating yet another exchange, I'm willing to work through this problem, or worst-case scenario, call Samsung and see if they can help. I've read that SD on these TV's aren't great, but I think that somehow my situation is worse than others.

Have any of you experienced this noise issue with your new Samsung on SD channels? If so, did you learn to live with it, or did you fix it?

Thanks!

Update: watching SD cable through my DVD player connected via component to the 4061, there is considerably less noise, although the picture appears slightly more washed out. This leads me to believe that the TV somehow doesn't like the signal coming directly from the PVR/cable box (via HDMI or component).
post #87 of 3501
Reduce brightness, contrast and most important the sharpness for your SD viewing!
post #88 of 3501
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Originally Posted by taphil View Post

You're right, it is a problem with 480i. My cable box at 480i causes gray bars on the sides. Moreover, it only appears on the sides of the actual image, not the TV itself. In other words, when viewing 4:3 content, the gray is only limited to picture, and not the sides of the LCD, which actually remain very black. 480p over component doesn't have the issue. Thus, it is purely a processing problem with the TV, not with the LCD panel itself.

This is very disappointing! I was ready to get one of these sets, infact almost got one yesterday but decided to wait for the 4065s to become more available. However, it turns out that 480i is going to be a problem since the TV doesn't accept it over HDMI, and you get gray bars on the side over component!

So what is the best option to watch SD content? Usually the processor on the TV is better than on most STBs so I was hoping to set the STB to pass-through the signal and have the TV do all the upscalling
post #89 of 3501
I have a 4665 and the SD pictures is ok, 6 0r7 in my opinion

you can change those gray bars to black...not sure about HDMI, but over component, its possible
post #90 of 3501
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Originally Posted by komari View Post

This is very disappointing! I was ready to get one of these sets, infact almost got one yesterday but decided to wait for the 4065s to become more available. However, it turns out that 480i is going to be a problem since the TV doesn't accept it over HDMI, and you get gray bars on the side over component!

So what is the best option to watch SD content? Usually the processor on the TV is better than on most STBs so I was hoping to set the STB to pass-through the signal and have the TV do all the upscalling

I agree. This is a pretty fundamental flaw. I have had to change my Series 3 Tivo settings so that it uses hybrid mode... so that 480i is passed as 480p, and 720i and above are passed as 1080i.

This works, though now the tivo is taking care of 480i signals for the TV (and as a side-effect by the limited Tivo options, is also upscaling 720).

I really doubt Samsung will address the 480i over HDMI, because after talking to two different techs, they both claim that 480i is not allowed by the HDMI spec.

However, there doesn't seem to be any reason for the grey bars in 480i over component, except for some kind of bug.
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