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post #1021 of 1258
Well obviously its your call Dave. I live in the UK, and 10' x 12' is a common room size room for us, many UK audiophiles have dedicated rooms significantly smaller than that! The premium for living on a tiny island!! frown.gif

My own room is 18.5ft x 10.5ft, and I am (or will be when I am finished refurbing it) running a full 14.2 channel Aerial set-up with LR5's up front.

I would have thought you could maintain your 5.1 layout without significant compromise, even if that means mounting your SR3's on the side walls to the immediate right and left of the seating position (I'm assuming your seating position is against the rear wall?), so I don't think (i) would apply - sure you may need some acoustic treatments, and some decent bass management, but your Aerials should give you superb performance irrespective of the room size.
post #1022 of 1258
I agree w/Wookii on this. First you should try the set up and work w/some room treatments. I also assume you have a preamp that has room correction. I have a fairly small room and measurements are somewhere between both your rooms and it is fine for both music and movies.smile.gif
post #1023 of 1258
Wookii and Class A,

You got me! Today, I visited my new home to be (owned but pending a complete gut renovation), measured out everything, illustrated possibilities to my wife (who thinks the Theta gear looks cool but just doesn't want to see any cables), and decided to make a go of it with the entire 5.1 system. Thanks so much for your candid, considered and cultivated perspectives. I am with you now.

This AVS forum place is great!
post #1024 of 1258
The 6T is here. Went to the first demo of the Aerial 6T at Audio Video Therapy tonight and Michael Kelly was there to present the speaker. Height wise it is the same as the 7T. But it is about 2/3rd the size by width and depth. Weighs about 70lbs. The tweeter is the same but the drivers on the mid range and bass are smaller. Basically if you add a quality sub you'll get pretty close to the 7T. Cost is about $6000. Another bit of news he is coming out w/a new center the CC-4. It will come in two versions. The standard one you can put on a stand or table and a second version that you can mount on a wall. New rears are down the maybe a year or more. The evening was lots of fun w/demos from B&W their new CM10, Parasound,Paradigm and Wolf Cinema. Plus plenty of food and drink.smile.gif
post #1025 of 1258
I just spoke to a dealer/friend who confirmed the new center channel, but I hadn't heard about the wall-mounted version OR anything on the rear speakers. Did Mr. Kelly give any indication if those rears would be SR3 replacements, or 5b replacements, or something else entirely? I know that previously, Mr. Kelly said it would be cost prohibitive to produce a 5t (or similar), but perhaps it's more affordable now?
post #1026 of 1258
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Originally Posted by Class A View Post

The 6T is here. Went to the first demo of the Aerial 6T at Audio Video Therapy tonight and Michael Kelly was there to present the speaker. Height wise it is the same as the 7T. But it is about 2/3rd the size by width and depth. Weighs about 70lbs. The tweeter is the same but the drivers on the mid range and bass are smaller. Basically if you add a quality sub you'll get pretty close to the 7T. Cost is about $6000. Another bit of news he is coming out w/a new center the CC-4. It will come in two versions. The standard one you can put on a stand or table and a second version that you can mount on a wall. New rears are down the maybe a year or more. The evening was lots of fun w/demos from B&W their new CM10, Parasound,Paradigm and Wolf Cinema. Plus plenty of food and drink.smile.gif

Excellent, thanks for the update Class A! Didn't you take any pictures for us? How were the 6T's sound wise? $6,000 puts them at a very competitive price point, if they are as good as other Aerial's they should do well.
post #1027 of 1258
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Originally Posted by Grit View Post

I just spoke to a dealer/friend who confirmed the new center channel, but I hadn't heard about the wall-mounted version OR anything on the rear speakers. Did Mr. Kelly give any indication if those rears would be SR3 replacements, or 5b replacements, or something else entirely? I know that previously, Mr. Kelly said it would be cost prohibitive to produce a 5t (or similar), but perhaps it's more affordable now?
Yeah the wall mounted center came as a surprise to me too. The 5B will still remain for now. But he is planning down the road to make a 5T. Cost w/a new cabinet will probably push it to $4000. The new 6T at the demo was A/B'd w/the 7T. The sound was similar but the 7T had it beat w/a lower bottom and bigger sound stage. This was no surprise being the 7T has a bigger cabinet and larger drivers. It can simply push more air. However it can easily stand up w/the B&W 803D. Rear speakers like the 5's are down the line. I also asked about the 9 and wondered if it was just going to be a larger version of the 7. His response was he can't give details. Just my speculation maybe a smaller version of the 20??
post #1028 of 1258
Heard Goodwin Audio just dropped aerial acoustics ....Wow!

Still proud owner of cc5 and sr3.

My mains remain empty....mad.gif
post #1029 of 1258
Does anyone have experience using 3 X CC3B's as a left, center, right speaker?

My situation is that my projection screen allows only about 7" to the left and right before my side walls . So therefore am considering running 3 X CC3's horizontally below my screen as L,C,R speakers. They would be positioned 20" above the floor and tilted up to the listening position 14' away.

Use is dedicated home theater. Dialogue intelligibility is absolutely critical to me and my biggest concern. I have dual SVS SUBs.

Alternative is to mix/match CC3's with existing Def Tech STS which are only 6" wide.

Hard to audition this arrangement and would love to hear from someone with experience or opinions on this proposed layout.

Thank you!

jh
post #1030 of 1258
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Originally Posted by Aerialsound View Post

Heard Goodwin Audio just dropped aerial acoustics ....Wow!

Still proud owner of cc5 and sr3.

My mains remain empty....mad.gif
Not a surprise. They never really pushed the Aerial line. Plus why pay 6.25% Mass sales tax when you can go up the road to Nashua NH and get them tax free. By the way according to Michael Kelly the 6T will not be available till the end off December. The new CC-4 is coming out and one of the versions is a wall mounted speaker. That might be a solution.smile.gif
post #1031 of 1258
Three CC3 across the front.....I talked to Mike many years ago about this setup and he endorse this layout specifically for HT application. The dialogue would be consistent across the front. More so than blending the definitve tech.
Edited by Aerialsound - 11/1/13 at 9:15pm
post #1032 of 1258






Just about done with my basement. I have a pair of Rockport Atria on order. Although those Aerial 7T sound very good for the price.
Edited by Aerialsound - 11/1/13 at 9:14pm
post #1033 of 1258
"The 6T is here. Went to the first demo of the Aerial 6T at Audio Video Therapy tonight and Michael Kelly was there to present the speaker. Height wise it is the same as the 7T. But it is about 2/3rd the size by width and depth. Weighs about 70lbs. The tweeter is the same but the drivers on the mid range and bass are smaller. Basically if you add a quality sub you'll get pretty close to the 7T. Cost is about $6000. Another bit of news he is coming out w/a new center the CC-4. It will come in two versions. The standard one you can put on a stand or table and a second version that you can mount on a wall. New rears are down the maybe a year or more. The evening was lots of fun w/demos from B&W their new CM10, Parasound,Paradigm and Wolf Cinema. Plus plenty of food and drink.smile.gif"

Food and Drink...love that!! If the 6T is that close and a few grand less than the 7T then do you think the 7T sales would be impacted? The timbre for the CC-4 and upcoming surrounds should be the same. The CC-5 in the used market now is a tough one to beat. I personally am still staying with the CC-5 and the SR-3. If however one plans to buy all new then the 6T/7T plus the CC-4 and new surrounds would be the best combo, I'm guessing.

I had the original 7B/CC3/SR3 with Proceed AVP/AMP5 (theta along the way) and let me say it was a seamless system. I am now looking for my final system and it is good to hear Aerial updating their product line.
post #1034 of 1258
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Originally Posted by Aerialsound View Post

"The 6T is here. Went to the first demo of the Aerial 6T at Audio Video Therapy tonight and Michael Kelly was there to present the speaker. Height wise it is the same as the 7T. But it is about 2/3rd the size by width and depth. Weighs about 70lbs. The tweeter is the same but the drivers on the mid range and bass are smaller. Basically if you add a quality sub you'll get pretty close to the 7T. Cost is about $6000. Another bit of news he is coming out w/a new center the CC-4. It will come in two versions. The standard one you can put on a stand or table and a second version that you can mount on a wall. New rears are down the maybe a year or more. The evening was lots of fun w/demos from B&W their new CM10, Parasound,Paradigm and Wolf Cinema. Plus plenty of food and drink.smile.gif"

Food and Drink...love that!! If the 6T is that close and a few grand less than the 7T then do you think the 7T sales would be impacted? The timbre for the CC-4 and upcoming surrounds should be the same. The CC-5 in the used market now is a tough one to beat. I personally am still staying with the CC-5 and the SR-3. If however one plans to buy all new then the 6T/7T plus the CC-4 and new surrounds would be the best combo, I'm guessing.

I had the original 7B/CC3/SR3 with Proceed AVP/AMP5 (theta along the way) and let me say it was a seamless system. I am now looking for my final system and it is good to hear Aerial updating their product line.

Aerial Sound-

What amp(s) are you now using to power your Aerials?

David
post #1035 of 1258
I'm using the Sim Audio Titan - 5 channel amp -- it also comes as a 7 channel version(you will need a friend to move this one) . By far much better than their current evolution series. Check A'gon they come up once in awhile.
post #1036 of 1258
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Originally Posted by console View Post

Does anyone have experience using 3 X CC3B's as a left, center, right speaker?

My situation is that my projection screen allows only about 7" to the left and right before my side walls . So therefore am considering running 3 X CC3's horizontally below my screen as L,C,R speakers. They would be positioned 20" above the floor and tilted up to the listening position 14' away.

Use is dedicated home theater. Dialogue intelligibility is absolutely critical to me and my biggest concern. I have dual SVS SUBs.

Alternative is to mix/match CC3's with existing Def Tech STS which are only 6" wide.

Hard to audition this arrangement and would love to hear from someone with experience or opinions on this proposed layout.

Thank you!

jh

This would be in effect what I have currently. The prior model LR3's (discontinued) are vertical cc3b's... I would try to find a used pair to go with the center versus getting 3 center's.
post #1037 of 1258
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Originally Posted by ejn1 View Post

This would be in effect what I have currently. The prior model LR3's (discontinued) are vertical cc3b's... I would try to find a used pair to go with the center versus getting 3 center's.
Per my post, I have only 7" of space between screen and side walls. Are the discontinued LR3's less wide than that? Why would you recommend 2 X LR3 + 1 CC3B vs. 3 X CC3B arrayed horizontally under the screen? This is of concern to me as I know it is not common to use center channel speakers as L,C,R's. Buy why?
Edited by console - 11/2/13 at 6:05pm
post #1038 of 1258
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Originally Posted by ejn1 View Post

This would be in effect what I have currently. The prior model LR3's (discontinued) are vertical cc3b's... I would try to find a used pair to go with the center versus getting 3 center's.

Well.... the lr3 is exactly that.... I would opt for the cc3 if you can ... or lr3 across the front.
post #1039 of 1258
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Originally Posted by console View Post

Per my post, I have only 7" of space between screen and side walls. Are the discontinued LR3's less wide than that? Why would you recommend 2 X LR3 + 1 CC3B vs. 3 X CC3B arrayed horizontally under the screen? This is of concern to me as I know it is not common to use center channel speakers as L,C,R's. Buy why?

I recall hearing both setups a long time ago. I like the 3 centers better than the cc3 and lr3. But we may be splitting hairs. Either would work well.
post #1040 of 1258
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Originally Posted by Aerialsound View Post

"The 6T is here. Went to the first demo of the Aerial 6T at Audio Video Therapy tonight and Michael Kelly was there to present the speaker. Height wise it is the same as the 7T. But it is about 2/3rd the size by width and depth. Weighs about 70lbs. The tweeter is the same but the drivers on the mid range and bass are smaller. Basically if you add a quality sub you'll get pretty close to the 7T. Cost is about $6000. Another bit of news he is coming out w/a new center the CC-4. It will come in two versions. The standard one you can put on a stand or table and a second version that you can mount on a wall. New rears are down the maybe a year or more. The evening was lots of fun w/demos from B&W their new CM10, Parasound,Paradigm and Wolf Cinema. Plus plenty of food and drink.smile.gif"

Food and Drink...love that!! If the 6T is that close and a few grand less than the 7T then do you think the 7T sales would be impacted? The timbre for the CC-4 and upcoming surrounds should be the same. The CC-5 in the used market now is a tough one to beat. I personally am still staying with the CC-5 and the SR-3. If however one plans to buy all new then the 6T/7T plus the CC-4 and new surrounds would be the best combo, I'm guessing.

I had the original 7B/CC3/SR3 with Proceed AVP/AMP5 (theta along the way) and let me say it was a seamless system. I am now looking for my final system and it is good to hear Aerial updating their product line.
The sounds are similar but the 7T sounds bigger and more dynamic. He played both speakers that night and you can tell the difference. That's to be expected w/a larger cabinet and bigger drivers. That said the 6T will give you a lot of what the 7T has. I would say the 6T is a step above the 7B. smile.gif
post #1041 of 1258
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Originally Posted by console View Post

Per my post, I have only 7" of space between screen and side walls. Are the discontinued LR3's less wide than that? Why would you recommend 2 X LR3 + 1 CC3B vs. 3 X CC3B arrayed horizontally under the screen? This is of concern to me as I know it is not common to use center channel speakers as L,C,R's. Buy why?

Hi console, sorry I didn't notice the 7 inches... The LR3 is around 9 in wide. I think for HT there would be no difference of 3 centers but if you ever wanted to use the LR3's for stereo music, I would think there is some advantage to the vertical orientation of the drivers other than appearance (??)
post #1042 of 1258
I placed this post over on the anthem thread, thought maybe someone might be able to help here as well

It has been a long time since I have attach files so I hope they are all there, should be three attachments, these are the curves from just running ARC since get the keyspan adapter as well as the new front speakers aerial 7t's, as you can see the curves for the left and right don't look to good on the bottom end and I been a bit disappointed from the listening standpoint with the bottom end thought it should be much better than it sounds, so I'm hoping that someone might have some ideas as to what might be wrong.


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post #1043 of 1258
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Originally Posted by Whitl View Post

I placed this post over on the anthem thread, thought maybe someone might be able to help here as well

It has been a long time since I have attach files so I hope they are all there, should be three attachments, these are the curves from just running ARC since get the keyspan adapter as well as the new front speakers aerial 7t's, as you can see the curves for the left and right don't look to good on the bottom end and I been a bit disappointed from the listening standpoint with the bottom end thought it should be much better than it sounds, so I'm hoping that someone might have some ideas as to what might be wrong.


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I can't open any of your attached files, but without looking at them, the simple answer is "your room"! The 7T's are flat down to 28Hz probably even lower with an 'in-room' response, and there is not much audible information in music much below that. If anything if that bass range seems unsatisfactory, then I am afraid your room in to blame. Chances are you are sitting in a null if the bass is lacking, and in a mode if the bass seems bloated.

Bass trapping and room treatment, adjustment to the speaker positioning and seating positioning, and finally EQ, are the only ways to combat that!
post #1044 of 1258
I don't think the copy and paste worked for the attachments from the other post, I don't think it's the room acoustics as you will see by the other curves they go down much lower. Hopefully you can open the attachments now

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post #1045 of 1258
Ok, so I can see the graphs now. I used to have a D2v so I'm familiar with the ARC setup. The FR and FL, which I assume are the 7T's look fairly well behaved, though the scale is missing from the Y axis on the graphs. The 7T's are looking fairly flat to 20Hz, but I see you are getting ARC to roll them off at 60-80Hz. I've certainly seen a lot worse in room response. So what aren't you happy with when you listen to them?
post #1046 of 1258
I think I have been reading the graphs wrong, when I see arc pulling down the graph my first impression was that the speakers should have been down there and the fairly flat curve is what I should have looking at. I think it might just be the type of music I listen to and that there is really no low frequency in it. Perhaps some one from the anthem post might tell me why arc wants to pull the left and right down. Thanks for your help, I have uploaded the curves to the D2 and will see how they do.


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post #1047 of 1258
I have also a D2 with Aerial speakers (not the same as yours) but your front speaker look good but your subwoofer look worse than your front speakers.
The green curve is the target calculated optimum, so that at the cross over to your sub you have subwoofer(green)+front(green) will result in a flat curve.

You should check if somehow you have left the subsonic filter on in the subwoofer.
post #1048 of 1258
I started with Aerial, 13 yrs. ago. Current setup is 10t's, CC5, AR3, LR3 and 2 SW12s, all with Sound Anchor Stands. Driven by Bryston Amps, 300 watts across fronts and 250 on sides and back. Lexicon MC-12 is the processor. The mode I use is the Logic 7. I have quite a bit of sound treatment, including bass traps in front corners and sound absorbers along front wall on either side and above the screen on the ceiling and first and second reflection points. The subs are stereo and all speakers are set to "full and sub" which allows me to cross the subs at 80. Of every setting we've tried, my wife and I believe these settings on the speakers provides the richest and most coherent soundstage. There is marvelous clarity and the music just floats in the air, making it impossible to have any sense of which speakers are engaged. Other than using a sound meter and scenes from Last of the Mohicans, we only have our ears. I'm curious as to whether anyone else uses this crossover arrangement. Just as an aside, we love our surround sound so much that we can't imagine wanting to upgrade. I trust that Michael Kelly has come out with some wonderful new products, although since we don't have a local dealer we can't hear them, but his old ones continue to thrill us.

Our long time crossovers were 50 for the 3 front and 80 for the back four. After our initial enthusiasm for the above settings, we have gone back to our usual for increased clarity. The above perceived fullness morphed into modest perceived muddiness. Just wanted to set the record straight.
Edited by WLC - 11/27/13 at 6:46am
post #1049 of 1258
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Originally Posted by WLC View Post

...Current setup is...continue to thrill us.

Sounds sublime, would you please share some pictures?
post #1050 of 1258
Unfortunately, I have no idea how to do that. I can give you more details. My room is 17' wide with 10ts each placed 75" from side walls on each side of a 120" screen. The CC5 is directly below the screen. Each front speaker is approximately 3 feet from front wall, with the CC5, one foot further from the listener. The subs are placed inside the 10ts. The listening position is 14' from the front speakers. The LR3's are approximately 7' behind the listening position. Although the Home Theater has walls on three sides, the room is open behind the LR3's.
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