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post #151 of 1258
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Originally Posted by JHL View Post

I was pleasantly surprised to receive a reponse this morning to the email I sent on Friday night. Aerial has the woofer in stock and can mail one to me so that I can avoid shipping the entire speaker to them.

They estimated the cost of the part to be $400. I just hope it is not too complicated for me to handle the replacement myself.

curious, what speaker needs the woofer repair?
post #152 of 1258
This was a 10T.
post #153 of 1258
I see this thread hasn't had much action but I wanted to post a couple of pictures of my setup since changing some things around over the holidays.

Back in November a few of you guys recommended that I move the CC5 out so I did.







I have been seriously thinking about getting a pair of the new 20T's to replace the LR5's. Nothing wrong with the LR5's but I am listening to a lot more 2 channel now of days and think that the 20T's would do a little better.
post #154 of 1258
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Originally Posted by KX250F View Post

I have been seriously thinking about getting a pair of the new 20T's to replace the LR5's. Nothing wrong with the LR5's but I am listening to a lot more 2 channel now of days and think that the 20T's would do a little better.


That's a beautiful set-up! Black is so nice for home theater. I love the look of natural wood, but black is perfect in a room like that.

And yeah..... I would imagine the 20T's would do "a little" better! They should be a LOT better for the price! I love ribbons.....

What amp are you running in that rig?
post #155 of 1258
KX- Very, very nice! Love the LR5s and Fathoms in a theater.
post #156 of 1258
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Originally Posted by DigsMovies View Post


What amp are you running in that rig?


That's a BAT VK-600 SE in the middle under the CC5. I run the CC5 and surrounds off a Proceed Amp5.


post #157 of 1258
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Originally Posted by KX250F View Post

Back in November a few of you guys recommended that I move the CC5 out so I did.

I have been seriously thinking about getting a pair of the new 20T's to replace the LR5's. Nothing wrong with the LR5's but I am listening to a lot more 2 channel now of days and think that the 20T's would do a little better.

Now that it looks more correct, does it sound any more correct or did we just make you do extra work for nothing?

Nothing wrong with my mdl. 9's either but I'd put 20T's in there place if I could!
Since you're looking for opinions, how bout you move that screen wall out and put in an acoustically transparent screen, with a third 20T behind it for the center. I know Aerial could do that for you.

I hope I didn't just put you in a state of depression. It looks great now, really, it does.
post #158 of 1258
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Originally Posted by bigbrother52 View Post

Now that it looks more correct, does it sound any more correct or did we just make you do extra work for nothing?

I think it made a slight difference for the better, but I was expecting it to be more pronounced. Don't get me wrong it was worth it and I like the look better I just thought the change would make a bigger difference than what it did.


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Originally Posted by bigbrother52 View Post

wrong with my mdl. 9's either but I'd put 20T's in there place if I could!

If all I did in that room was watch movies then I would just keep the LR5's but I have been listening to more 2 channel and want to try and see if I can improve this area.

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Originally Posted by bigbrother52 View Post

Since you're looking for opinions, how bout you move that screen wall out and put in an acoustically transparent screen, with a third 20T behind it for the center. I know Aerial could do that for you.

It's funny that you say this. I was thinking the same thing about a month ago after making the equipment rearrangement changes over the holidays. I really want to try and up the performance of the two channel end right now and I want to wait and see what happens with projectors over the next year or two. If this economy doesn't turn a corner I won't be doing any of this anytime soon. I have a lead on a pair of 20T's from a friend so I may do this , but beyond that all future desires are on hold.

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Originally Posted by bigbrother52 View Post

I hope I didn't just put you in a state of depression. It looks great now, really, it does.

If I keep it the way it is I'll still be very happy. If my house burned down then that would put me in a state of depression.
post #159 of 1258
I have some very old 10Ts and a CC5. I'm considering swapping out the 10Ts for a pair of LR5's. I do 90% HT. Do you think that will be a step up for HT? I've read that the LR5s can be a little bright. One thing I like about the 10Ts is that they have an open sound and are fairly laid back. As a result they never sound harsh or obtrusive. On the other hand, they never sound really dynamic or precise either, and they don't match with the CC5 well at all.
post #160 of 1258
I've not heard the 10T, but I have 3 LR5s and they are absolutely fantastic for home theater. They are very dynamic, but I do not find them bright.

I say go for the LR5s, especially to match your CC5.
post #161 of 1258
There are updated and redesigned webpages at the Aerial website

http://www.aerialacoustics.com/index.aspx
post #162 of 1258
Oh well, no more CC-5

But there's information on BOTH of the CC-3b's
post #163 of 1258
The website has certainly been redesigned, but I don't really see any updates, other than removing the LR3. I no longer see a link to the price list...I also don't see any info on the forthcoming 7c or the updates to the 20T...
post #164 of 1258
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Originally Posted by KX250F View Post

That's a BAT VK-600 SE in the middle under the CC5. I run the CC5 and surrounds off a Proceed Amp5.



What are using for source and pre-amp with the BAT amp? I am loving my Aerial 7Bs with BAT VK-P10SE superpak phonostage, VAT VK-D5 SE w/ superpak CD player, BAT VK-31SE pre-amp, and BAT VK-250 with BAT PAK amp!
post #165 of 1258
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Originally Posted by bigbrother52 View Post

Oh well, no more CC-5

But there's information on BOTH of the CC-3b's

I think that it is just an error on the page. Just take the page for cc3b and in the url replace cc3b by cc5 and you get the cc5.
post #166 of 1258
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Originally Posted by tomhahn View Post

I have some very old 10Ts and a CC5. I'm considering swapping out the 10Ts for a pair of LR5's. I do 90% HT. Do you think that will be a step up for HT? I've read that the LR5s can be a little bright. One thing I like about the 10Ts is that they have an open sound and are fairly laid back. As a result they never sound harsh or obtrusive. On the other hand, they never sound really dynamic or precise either, and they don't match with the CC5 well at all.

I've never heard or even seen a pair of 10T's for that matter but I can tell you with confidence that the LR5's are very good for theater use. I think they do a hell of a job on 2 channel listening as well but you need to run them with a sub or two.
post #167 of 1258
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Originally Posted by Tikkenator2 View Post

What are using for source and pre-amp with the BAT amp? I am loving my Aerial 7Bs with BAT VK-P10SE superpak phonostage, VAT VK-D5 SE w/ superpak CD player, BAT VK-31SE pre-amp, and BAT VK-250 with BAT PAK amp!

I have a good friend who has been telling me to get all BAT for the last two years. I finally got the VK-600SE this past November but I am using my Denon AVP-A1HDCI right now to handle everything. My friend keeps telling me I need to put in a BAT pre-amp between the Denon and the VK-600SE so the plan is to go with either a used VK-51SE or a new VK-32SE in the near future. Next would be the VK-D5SE. I have a lot of faith in what my friend tells me, unfortunately he is 2500 miles away so I just can't go on over and have a listen to his setup. All the advice he has given me has been right on the money up to this point.

I've had my theater for the last 3 years so my equipment choices have been geared towards home theater. Over the last six months though I have been listening to more music in the theater then watching movies. Now I have the bug to make my room the best I can (with in my budget limits) for 2 channel without compromising the theater experience.
post #168 of 1258
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Originally Posted by tranle View Post

I think that it is just an error on the page. Just take the page for cc3b and in the url replace cc3b by cc5 and you get the cc5.


This does work, and I agree it's probably just an error, not a discontinuation of the CC5. I would hate to see them drop that one! That's a killer unit, and one I'm strongly considering- along with some LR5's, or maybe the new 7C.

Aerial's website has been buggy the past week, especially with Internet Explorer. It freezes up a lot with IE, and I've tried it with different computers. It's working great with Firefox though. If anyone is having problems viewing that site, try it with Firefox.
post #169 of 1258
If you have an analog source, such as the analog output of a high quality CD player (such as the BAT you proposed) or a phono preamp, I believe you will notice a huge improvement with a BAT pre-amp!
post #170 of 1258
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Originally Posted by bigbrother52 View Post

Oh well, no more CC-5

But there's information on BOTH of the CC-3b's

Sheesh!!! didn't anybody notice the little blue icon that indicates sarcasm?

The CC-5 is not being discontinued, I bought mine fairly recently and specifically asked about just that.

And the site is brand new so bugs are to be expected.
post #171 of 1258
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Originally Posted by KX250F View Post

I've never heard or even seen a pair of 10T's for that matter but I can tell you with confidence that the LR5's are very good for theater use. I think they do a hell of a job on 2 channel listening as well but you need to run them with a sub or two.

Where do you crossover to the sub(s)? I talked to Mike Kelly and he said he suggests 45 which surprised me a little. I bet most people set it higher. We were talking about HT at the time and I forgot to ask him if he'd use the same crossover point for music.
post #172 of 1258
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Originally Posted by tomhahn View Post

Where do you crossover to the sub(s)? I talked to Mike Kelly and he said he suggests 45 which surprised me a little. I bet most people set it higher. We were talking about HT at the time and I forgot to ask him if he'd use the same crossover point for music.

I have them crossed over at 40hz for both theater and music. The Denon AVP-A1HDCI only has 40hz, 60hz, 80hz, 100hz, and 120hz settings. I have tried 40, 60, and 80 and chose to run them at 40hz. The difference between movies and music is where I run the subs crossover at. For movies I run the two JL Audio F113's at 80hz and for music I run the two JL's at 40hz right now. I have tried 60hz on music and I seem to get a little to much bass. I have also tried on music to run the LR5's at 80hz and bring the subs up to 80hz, but for me I prefered it the other way around.
post #173 of 1258
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Originally Posted by KX250F View Post

I have them crossed over at 40hz for both theater and music. The Denon AVP-A1HDCI only has 40hz, 60hz, 80hz, 100hz, and 120hz settings. I have tried 40, 60, and 80 and chose to run them at 40hz. The difference between movies and music is where I run the subs crossover at. For movies I run the two JL Audio F113's at 80hz and for music I run the two JL's at 40hz right now. I have tried 60hz on music and I seem to get a little to much bass. I have also tried on music to run the LR5's at 80hz and bring the subs up to 80hz, but for me I prefered it the other way around.

Very interesting. Especially interesting to me because I use the F113 too although only 1 of them. So for movies you actually set the Denon and the sub front-panel control differently? The Denon at 40 and the sub knob at 80? I would think that setting the sub at anything about 40 would sound the same as setting it at 40, since the prepro routes everything above 40 to the other speakers, no?

How do you set the CC5?
post #174 of 1258
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Originally Posted by tomhahn View Post

Very interesting. Especially interesting to me because I use the F113 too although only 1 of them. So for movies you actually set the Denon and the sub front-panel control differently? The Denon at 40 and the sub knob at 80? I would think that setting the sub at anything about 40 would sound the same as setting it at 40, since the prepro routes everything above 40 to the other speakers, no?

How do you set the CC5?


The Denon allows you to set different crossover settings for different sources. When watching a movie the settings for the subs are 80hz. When listening to music the settings are for 40hz and sometimes I'll switch it to 60hz just depends. I have the JL's set to 80hz on the dial but the Denon pre/pro will only send to the JL what I set it to. Basically the Denon is doing all the bass management not the JL's front panel control. Now if I get a BAT pre-amp then I will have to use the bass management controls that are built into the JL's because I will be sending a full signal.

I'm hoping if I get the Aerial 20T's that I will not need to add subs. I will put the BAT pre-amp between the Denon and the BAT amplifier and only use the BAT pre-amp when listening to two channel.

I have all three front main speakers set to 40hz in the Denon for movie watching. The subs are at 80hz and the surrounds (Paradigm Inwalls) are set to 80hz. I only use the front mains and the two subs when listening to music. I leave the mains at 40hz and the subs at either 40hz or 60hz.

What makes the Denon or any other digital pre/pros out there nice is you can do the bass management in the pre/pro. From my understanding with a pre-amp like the BAT there are no DAC's in there to do anything. However you are suppose to be able to get much better performance from such a component (I'm sure some would argue against this however). I want to give a BAT pre-amp a try and see for myself.
post #175 of 1258
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Originally Posted by KX250F View Post

I've never heard or even seen a pair of 10T's for that matter but I can tell you with confidence that the LR5's are very good for theater use. I think they do a hell of a job on 2 channel listening as well but you need to run them with a sub or two.


http://www.aerialacoustics.com/products/index.aspx does not show the 10T.

Whereas Audiogon Blue Book shows the Aerial Model 10T speakers as: '93 (year introduced) with new price (hard to say what "new price" means as it is discontinued) of $7k.

I can add that I was a little surprised to see Aerial LR5 as a current speaker. I was sure that you meant a L/R pair of the Model 5b speakers.

Given the new price for a pair of Model 20T v2 speakers, there are lot of serious alternatives out there.

Just a thought.

FWIW, I listen to 2 channel music 80% of the time, and my L/R main speakers are where I've spent my most serious money.

Cheers
post #176 of 1258
Hello AVS forum members. I wanted to clarify a few things about our website as it has raised a few comments here.

First,

Thanks to bigbrother52 for pointing out the link error from the CC5 thumbnail to the CC3B page. You certainly picked the right screen name! We obviously missed that error and should be fixed by the time you read this.

Second,

We have begun a process of updating and improving our website that will be an ongoing "project." Our website has not been a top priority until now and I look forward to implementing several changes. Our first big step was to re-code it and repair the foundation. There really weren't many changes to the content, but every single page was rebuilt so the site would be smaller, cleaner, faster, more search engine friendly, and so on. This isn’t really visible to the outside world, but will make changing our site much easier. The next step will be to ensure that all of the information on current products - is well…current. On that point, we will be updating the Model 20T page to a Model 20T V2 page soon. Then we will move on to providing information about upcoming new products like the soon to be released Model 7C and System 2. And last but certainly not least, we will add a section for all of our classic products including the Model 10T.

Finally,

Rest assured that all of the products on our website are current including the 7B. The Model LR3 was removed from the website as it is no longer being produced and it will be brought back to the website when we add the classic products section mentioned above. The Model LR3 will be replaced by the System 2 LR which shares the same driver compliment as its predecessor but trades cabinet depth for height. This makes the new speaker more appropriate for mounting on a wall next to flat panel or on a bookshelf. They can even be flush mounted in a wall, if there are 2”x6” stud bays and .5+” drywall to work with. There will be a matching center channel, the Model System 2 CC that will also be shallow for wall or bookshelf mounting. The Model CC3B will continue in the line giving people two “small” Aerial center channel options; small face, deep box or large face, shallow box and that decision will obviously depend on the specific application.

I will do my best to make visiting and posting to this thread a part of my daily routine. For those of you who know me from my former company, you know that I value direct consumer interaction very highly and “listen” to all feedback, positive, negative or otherwise. I love what I do and I have had to good fortune to be an integral part of some really special brands in this industry. I bought a pair of Aerial’s more than 15 years ago and have always had a deep admiration of the products and the people. Now I am one of those people and I look forward to sharing my passion for the products with yours and welcoming newcomers to the family.

Sincerely,

The “new guy” at Aerial Acoustics

Andrew Clark
post #177 of 1258
Andrew,

Thanks for your informative post. We look forward to your contributions to this thread.

Scott
post #178 of 1258
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Originally Posted by Andrew Clark View Post

Thanks to bigbrother52 for pointing out the link error from the CC5 thumbnail to the CC3B page. You certainly picked the right screen name! We obviously missed that error and should be fixed by the time you read this.

Hi Andrew

Yes...the link is most certainly repaired.

I hope it was not the cause of any sort of problem for anyone.
I'm feeling a bit embarrassed about pointing it out right about now
Do I need to use a different e-mail address the next time I contact you guys?

I have no complaints about either pair of my 9's or the CC-5, I have nothing but praise for everyone I've spoken with at Aerial.


Welcome to AVS, I'm very glad to see you follks here.

Bigbrother Is Always Watching!
post #179 of 1258






I got the Aerial 20T's and all I can say is WOW what a big difference.
post #180 of 1258
I think you'd definitely notice "a big difference". Absolutely stunning!
Congratulations to you on your purchase, I'm jealous.
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