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post #241 of 1401
When I get a projector next month I will give it a go, just trying to collect all the info I can.
post #242 of 1401
I started out with a HS10, moved on to a HS20 (which still gets used all the time in my family room), and now have a HS51A.

The HS10/20 have less screendoor than the HS51; they look slightly sharper as well. I have no evidence to back it up, but I believe Sony took the same basic 1368x768 (or whatever it was) panel, and masked it to 1280x720 in the newer model. If you want to get a feel for the difference in screendoor, switch your HS10/20 to 1280x720 and zoom the image to fit your screen; that's essentially what my HS51 looks like in terms of screendoor increase.

I use an IMX lens on my HS51, as I didn't like the increase in screendoor, since my front row is fairly close- 1.3x screen width. Using the lens reduces it to approximately the same level as my HS20.

That's a good article on focusing- you need to focus any non-data projector with the pixels softened slightly- it looks much more filmlike and obviously reduces screendoor. It's akin to turning the sharpness control down on your display; it might look a little softer in the beginning, but in time you'll realize it looks better that way.
post #243 of 1401
Does this projector have the new inorganic panels? Or are they the same ones used in the HS-60?
post #244 of 1401
why when i hook up xbox360 to VGA on aw15 i get a big dark picture on 1080p.720p is ok the .i change 360 to 1920x1080. component is ok with 720p and 1080i.the aw15 MAXIMUM RESOLUTION 1920X1080 FV60 HZ ON VGA. i think aw15 no it a xbox ms and sony. aw-15 in display have input at 1024x768 i need it at 1920x1080.
post #245 of 1401
I have tried 1080p with HS60 and looks fine but I normally run it at 1080i and 720p.
No matter what resoliution you feed the pj, it is displayed at 720p.

Edit: I only have used the component connection with 1080.
post #246 of 1401
My projector turned up and it was a vpl-aw10 when I paid for a aw15. Totally useless Amazon and Vanns. Now got to send it back and wait 2 weeks for a refund. Good job my panny is still working.
post #247 of 1401
I haven't heard a thing about the AW10 in a while.

Did you even unpack it? Probably not!
post #248 of 1401
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Originally Posted by snoopy555 View Post

why when i hook up xbox360 to VGA on aw15 i get a big dark picture on 1080p.720p is ok the .i change 360 to 1920x1080. component is ok with 720p and 1080i.the aw15 MAXIMUM RESOLUTION 1920X1080 FV60 HZ ON VGA. i think aw15 no it a xbox ms and sony. aw-15 in display have input at 1024x768 i need it at 1920x1080.

You can feed it 1080p but it is still going to rescale to 720p.

Does the VGA input support 1080p? Try component or HDMI instead.
post #249 of 1401
Will an AW15 be a significant upgrade from an Optoma H31?

My screen is 150" diag
I sit 16' back (that's close I know, it's how we like it, though)
my theater is SUPER dark, all walls and surfaces are dark w/ no windows.
Yes, I watch HD content

I have not seen a 3 chip LCD in use yet. Just many, many DLPs.

Will it be worth the price jump?

Also considering an Optoma HD70.

Thoughts?

Thanks!
post #250 of 1401
15' daig is too big for most projectors.
post #251 of 1401
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Originally Posted by CaspianM View Post

15' daig is too big for most projectors.

it's actually a bit less than that. 150" comes out to 12.5'

Also I should note, that I'm very happy with the picture in this setup with the H31, but the bulb is almost dead and rather than dropping $300 on a bulb I thought I'd upgrade the projector.

The manual for the AW15 shows that it should have no problem providing this size image in my room. I checked the charts, it actually falls in the middle of the available sizes at the distance it will be mounted. Considering it's brighter than the H31 (which I watch in dim mode anyway), I'm not concerned about brightness.

My main concerns are black levels and SDE as I'm switching from a DLP to a LCD.

Sorry I wasn't more detailed in my first post. Any thoughts on the above two factors?
post #252 of 1401
BTW "hi everyone!!" I'm new here

(at least new to posting been reading for a long while)
post #253 of 1401
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Originally Posted by mocokid View Post

My main concerns are black levels and SDE as I'm switching from a DLP to a LCD.

Sony blows away the H31 in black level and SDE. H31 is a SDE nirvane as all 480p units are.
Still I would not recommend the Sony for your set up.
post #254 of 1401
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Originally Posted by CaspianM View Post

Sony blows away the H31 in black level and SDE. H31 is a SDE nirvane as all 480p units are.

that's good to know!

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Originally Posted by CaspianM View Post

Still I would not recommend the Sony for your set up.

because of screen size? what would you suggest in this price range?
post #255 of 1401
So the hs60 does accept 1080p? Apparently 1080i looks the same scaled to 720p though, right?
post #256 of 1401
Yes it does. I really have not done acareful comparison to 1080i so can't answer it but it did not jump over me I mean the PQ so you might be right there. I am using Toshiba A20.

1080p comes from BD or HD-DVD mainly xA2 that read 1080p directly might do better but the one that upscale from 1080i is another story. I would think with Toshiba XA2 downscaling it to 720p would produce better result than Sony plus you get 1:1 perfect mapping that way.
post #257 of 1401
mocokid,
Maybe you should look at the panny ax100 or the epson 400, both of those are 3 times as bright as the Sony and have similar contrast/color. Get a warranty with the panny...
post #258 of 1401
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Originally Posted by pottscb View Post

mocokid,
Maybe you should look at the panny ax100 or the epson 400, both of those are 3 times as bright as the Sony and have similar contrast/color. Get a warranty with the panny...

That is incorrect. Panny and Epson are NOT three times brighter. Panny is about 35% and Epson is even less than that. Trust me!
post #259 of 1401
Any more reviews? Any opinions on shadow detail?
post #260 of 1401
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Originally Posted by pottscb View Post

mocokid,
Maybe you should look at the panny ax100 or the epson 400, both of those are 3 times as bright as the Sony and have similar contrast/color. Get a warranty with the panny...

Again, I'm happy with my 850 ANSI lumen H31 (set to DIM mode!), so I can't imagine that going up to 1100 ANSI lumens will be a problem for me.

Remember, my theater is pitch black, with all dark surfaces and furniture... as in "can't see you hand two feet in front of your face" black!

I was just concerned with the differences in picture associated with LCD vs DLP such as SDE, actual black levels (not specs), motion uniformity, etc. as I have not seen the recent batch of LCD projectors.

I think it's already been stated that a 480p DLP projector will have worse SDE than a 720P LCD, which is what I expected.

Anyway - I ordered one today (the AW15). If I hate it, I can send it back. It will, at least, be a learning experience.

I'll review (with pictures) after setup/calibration.
post #261 of 1401
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Any more reviews? Any opinions on shadow detail?

shadow details were very bad on mine. dont know why. we even calibrated it wiht the spidey sensor
post #262 of 1401
Susu2k didnt like the aw15 that much needless to say. I am anixous to hear other's opinions.
post #263 of 1401
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Originally Posted by rahimlee54 View Post

Susu2k didnt like the aw15 that much needless to say. I am anixous to hear other's opinions.


it isn't a bad projector. it just wasn't what i expected. i expected an improved hs60...
post #264 of 1401
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Originally Posted by susu2k View Post

it isn't a bad projector. it just wasn't what i expected. i expected an improved hs60...

Would you say it is at least as good as the HS60?
post #265 of 1401
I can't believe we are not getting more info from owners. Hopefully they are just sitting in their theaters in awe.

AW15 Owners out there throw us a bone, anybody.
post #266 of 1401
Well, I just bit the bullet yesterday and ordered one. I'm hoping to have it mid-next week and plan to write up my detailed observations for everyone. I'm usually the type of person who would wait for a good sized review base before diving in. However, as I'll be officially retiring my old projector to our family's vacation house over 4th of July, I needed to order a new projector quickly.

I had actually been holding out for a 1080p model but circumstances dictated I shouldn't make that big of an investment just yet. So I was on the look out for a sub-$1.5K 720p projector which will look great on my current 80" diagonal screen, and on a future screen of probably 106"... nothing to crazy. Considering it has been pretty well reviewed, I would normally have gotten the Sanyo Z5 but a few things tipped the balance in taking a chance on the Sony:
  • The AW15 is a brand new model. This projector will probably be sold in <2 years for a 1080p upgrade so I want something that will hold its value longer. Considering the Sanyo Z5 will probably be upgraded soon, I figured the AW15 would be better in that regard.
  • Sony has traditionally made some of the best LCD projectors in terms of image quality, colors, black levels, contrast and in their use of dynamic irises... they have been at it longer than any other manufacturer and most consider their DI implementations to be some of the best implemented/least visible.
  • That Sony quality mentioned above usually came at a cost premium to other LCDs... the AW15 really surpised me in that it is priced under most the competitors for the first time. I realize the next gen 720p models from Panny, Sanyo, Epson, etc... will probably be priced similarly, if not lower, but it was still nice to see.
  • One thing that Sonys are not known for is brightness, but the AW15 actually has a higher wattage bulb than the HS series and I use relatively small screens.
  • In addiiton, the long reported bulb-life (5000-7000 hours) should make my resale more attractive as I'll probably only put about 1.5K hours on it in 2 years.

Add it up and I decided to jump. Unfortunately for a lot of people here, I haven't seen any of the new model LCDs like the Panny AE900/AX100 or Sanyos since the Z2. I have a Panny AE300 which I've owned for over 4 years now. It still does the trick but it is getting pretty dim and it never really had high CR or good black levels. I'm really hoping to see a big improvement the AW15. And at worst case, since I won't be doing A/B comparisons with newer model LCDs, I'm not worried about being disappointed in anyway.

More to come next week...
-Matt
post #267 of 1401
as i said i am not happy with it!

here is my review in german:

http://www.hifi-forum.de/index.php?a...sort=lpost&z=3


#148 erstellt: 13. Jun 2007, 18:30 Zitat PM Mail bearbeiten löschen

Ich warte erstmal auf den Test von azumbrunnen, den er uns für heute Abend versprochen hat



Hier ist mein review. Alles ist aber subjektiv und ich übernehme keine Verantwortung wenn der Inhalt nicht stimmen sollte


Sony VPL-AW15 User Review


Da bin ich wieder Leute . Nun kann ich endlich von meinen Erfahrungen berichten nachdem ich das Gerät im direkten Vergleich zum HC1100 gesehen habe.

Was die Ausstattung betrifft, so kann man nicht viel sagen. Es wird alles geliefert was für den Betrieb von Nöten ist. Man kriegt ne Fernbedienung inkl. Batterien, einen Ersatzluftfilter, ein Benutzerhandbuch und ein Stromkabel. Die restlichen Kabel muss man sich selbst kaufen. (wohl normal)

Als ich das Gerät in Betrieb genommen habe dachte ich zuerst ob ich schlecht höre. ^^ Erstmals ist ein Gerät so leise, dass man es nicht mal hört wenn man ganz still ist. (ausser man ist nur 10 cm entfernt ^^). Sehr positiv auffallend war auch, dass das Gerät sogar im normalen Modus leiser ist als der HS60 im ECO Modus. Ich habe dies zwar nicht nachgemessen, aber nach meinem subjektiven Empfinden würde ich ganz klar sagen dass es sich hier um den leisesten Proki handelt denns momentan aufm Markt gibt. Ein anderer Pluspunkt ist das herrvorragende Lüftersystem. In der Gebrauchsanleitung steht, dass man den Filter nur alle 1500 Stunden wechseln oder putzen muss. Dies ist sehr akzeptabel wenn man so mit dem Pannx PT-AX100e vergleicht. Lensshift und Zoombereich ist unverändert und eigentlich vorbildlich. Beim Aufstellen zeigte der AW15 wie flexibel er ist.

Nun zum wohl wichtigsten für die meisten. Die Bildqualität. Also ich habe Projektor mit dem MITSUBISHI HC1100 und dem Panasonic PT-AX100e verglichen. Man bemerkt schnell dass hier gegenüber dem Vorgängermodell ziemlich an der Helligkeit geschraubt wurde. Dies war für mich einer der grössten Schwächen des hs60. Schön zu wissen, dass dies hier nun behoben wurde. Der Projektor hat auch im ECO-Modus genug Licht um über 2m grosse Leinwände mit genug Licht zu versorgen. (Habe nur 1.8 desswegen kann ich nicht mehr dazu sagen). Ich muss sagen, dass der HC1100 bei 65k Kalibrierung noch etwas heller war als der AW15, jedoch waren dies nur kleine Unterschiede. Man bedenke dass der AW15 im ECO Modus lief. Der Panasonic ist, was Lichtstärke betrifft wie immer an der Spitze. Die Bilder des Panasonics sind schlicht weg brillant. Doch wenn man wie ich einen Projektor für Blockbuster sucht, ist man mit dem AW15 denke ich besser bedient. Das Kontrastverhältnis mag schon fast unecht klingen, doch eine solche Bildtiefe hab ich noch selten gesehen. Man konnte auch in den dunkelsten Szenen noch sehr viel erkenne, was bei Projektoren in dieser Preisklasse doch eher selten ist. Man hat ungefähr zwanzig Prozent mehr Lichtleistung im ECO-Modus als fürs Filme schauen nötig wäre. Der Sony ist sogar eine Spur heller als der Panasonic im Cinema-Modus. Also ich kann nur sagen dass das Zitat von cine4home total korrekt ist.

Vom HS60 auf AW15 umzurüsten ist fraglich. Es bringt durchaus Vorteile, doch jeder muss für sich selber entscheiden ob es den Aufpreis wert ist. Für mich war ers ganz klar. Denn die neue automatische Iris arbeitet absolut unbemerkt, unglaublich! Zum ersten Mal hab ich einen LCD bei dem man in dunklen Szenen noch alles erkennen kann! Ich weiss nicht ob es an der rendering Engine liegt oder an was sonst, aber auf jeden Fall hab ich noch nie eine solche Bildtiefe in dunklen Szenen gesehen. Ein richtiger Augenschmaus!!! Klas ist es immer noch nicht der hellste Projektor, deutlich heller als der z5, doch nicht so hell wie der Panny. Jeder muss hier für sich entscheiden was er lieber mag. Wenn man den Projektor nahe an die Leinwand stellt und den grossen Zoom nutzt, hat man sehr viel Licht, hat sogar für mich gereicht ; )

Was die Farben betrifft so wurde hier ganz klar noch man nachgefeilt. Der AW15 hat noch eine etwas präzisere Farbwiedergabe als der HS60.

Nun zum sagenumwobenen Fliegengitter. Ich muss sagen, dass diese auf mich überhaupt nicht störend gewirkt hat. Mir persönlich ist es wichtig ein richtig scharfes bild zu haben. Hier hebt der Sony ganz deutlich von der Konkurrenz ab. Gerade wenn ich den PC über HDMI verbinde wird es sehr deutlich. Beim Pansonic wurde das Fliegengitter minimiert in dem die Pannels irgendwie ineinander geschoben wurden, desswegen ist dort das Fliegengitter auch weniger auffällig, dies aber definitiv auf Kosten der Schärfe. Ich will hier keineswegs den Panny schlecht aussehen lassen, aber wenn man einen Projektor für Kinospass sucht für dunkle Räume mit nicht allzu viel ambient light, ist dieser Projektor einfach unschlagbar!!! Bei Blueray Filmen habe ich übrigens deutlich bemerkt dass die Filme hier 1000x flüssiger dargstellt werden als beim HC1100. Ich fand das downscaling auch besser als beim Panny Naja vlt. Auch nur Einbildung. Was mir auch sehr gefallen hat ist das robuste Gehäuse. Das Ding ist echt sehr schön verarbeitet. Man hat das Gefühl man könnte das Teil durchs Fenster werfen und es würde noch funktionieren. Habe übrigens den Projektor auch mit dem VW100 verglichen und als Amateur habe ich keinen allzu grossen Unterschied bemerkt.

Naja dies sind alles Aussagen eines Amateurs. Es hat bestimmt 1000 Sachen die korrigiert werden könnten, aber habe hier einfach Mal geschildert wie ich dem Gerät gegenüberstehe. Rechtschreibefehler oder Grammatikfehler dürft ihr gerne behalten. Der Post dient nur der Informationsvermittlung. Habe nun mal auch sehr schnell geschrieben.

Achja übrigens, Vertical Banding konnte ich keines ausmachen. Weiss jeodch nicht ob das Geräteabhängig ist. Glaube aber daass dies trotz der selben Pannels gefixed wurde.


Kurz:

Mehr Helligkeit
Bessere Farbdarstellung
Hoher Kontrast auch bei hoher Lichtleistung
Sehr Robustes Gehäuse
Schickes Design
Super Signalverarbeitung



hier die screens mit handy gemacht, sorry für quali:
http://img153.imageshack.us/my.php?i...sc00274kg9.jpg
http://img153.imageshack.us/my.php?i...sc00275ve2.jpg
http://img153.imageshack.us/my.php?i...sc00276ct5.jpg
http://img153.imageshack.us/my.php?i...sc00277wg4.jpg
http://img153.imageshack.us/my.php?i...sc00278hh7.jpg
http://img153.imageshack.us/my.php?i...sc00279ug7.jpg

http://img376.imageshack.us/my.php?i...sc00286xf6.jpg


after that i have tested it for a while i found it too dim. the picture is not as brillant as from the pt-ax100e. but color accuracy is much better i guess... and dont forget, the desing just rocks!
post #268 of 1401
heh... any chance for a translation?

that one screenshot looks pretty dern good
post #269 of 1401
Here is the machine translation...
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Sony VPL-AW15 user Review

There I am again people?. Now I can finally of my experiences report after I the equipment in the direct comparison to the HC1100 saw.

Which concerns the equipment, then one can say not much. It everything supplied which for the enterprise from emergencies is. One kriegt ne remote maintenance inclusive batteries, a spare air cleaner, a user manual and a stromkabel. The remaining cables one must buy (probably normally)

As I took the equipment in enterprise thought I first whether I badly hear ^^ for the first time am equipment so quietly that one does not hear it times if one is completely quiet (except one is only 10 cm far away ^^). very positively remarkably was also that the equipment is quieter even in the normal mode than the HS60 in the ECO mode. I did not check this, but after my subjective feeling I would say completely clearly that it the quietest Proki here concern denns momentarily oversize market give. Another plus is the gentleman-before-rising up exhaust system. In the instructions it stands that one must change or deseam the filter only every 1500 hours. This is very acceptable if one with the Pannx PT-AX100e compares in such a way. Lensshift and zoom shot range are unchanged and actually exemplary. When setting up the AW15 showed it is as flexible.

Now to the probably most important for most. The image quality. Thus I compared projector with the MITSUBISHI HC1100 and the Panasonic PT-AX100e. One noticed fast that in relation to the predecessor model quite at the brightness was screwed here. This was to be known for me one of the largest weaknesses of the hs60. beautiful that this was here now repaired. The projector has to supply also in the ECO mode enough light over via 2m large canvases with enough light. (property only 1,8 the because of I cannot say any longer to it). I must say the fact that the HC1100 was still somewhat brighter with 65k calibration as the AW15 however was this only small differences. One considers that the AW15 in the ECO mode ran. The Panasonic is, which concerns luminous intensity like always at the point. The pictures of the Panasonics are simply away brilliant. But if one searches like I a projector for Blockbuster, one is with the AW15 thinks I better served. The contrast relationship may sound already nearly false, but such a picture depth still rare I saw. One could do also in the darkest scenes still very much recognizes, what with projectors in this preisklasse is nevertheless rather rare. One has approximately twenty per cent more light achievement in the ECO mode than for films looking would be necessary. The Sony is even a trace brighter as the Panasonic in the Cinema mode. Thus I can only say that the quotation of cine4home am totally correct.

From the HS60 on AW15 to reequip is questionable. It quite brings advantages, but everyone must for itself decide whether it surcharge is worth. For me was completely clear ers. Because the new automatic iris works absolutely unnoticed, unbelievably! For the first time have I an LCD with which one in dark scenes still everything recognize can! I white not whether it because of rendering the engine is or at which otherwise, but in any case have I never such a picture depth in dark scenes seen. A correct Augenschmaus!!! Klas is it not yet the brightest projector, clearly more brightly bright as the z5, but not as as the Panny. Everyone must here for itself decide which it rather likes. If one places the projector close against the canvas and uses the large zoom shot, one has very much light, even for me was enough; )

Which the colors concerns in such a way here completely clearly still one was re-filed. The AW15 has still another somewhat more precise color reproduction than the HS60.

Now to the sagenumwobenen fly lattice. I must say that this did not affect me at all disturbing. Personally it is to be had importantly to me a correctly sharp picture. Here the Sony takes off completely clearly from the competition. Straight one if I the PC over HDMI connects becomes it very clearly. With the Pansonic the fly lattice was somehow into one another pushed minimized in that the Pannels, the because of is there the fly lattice also less remarkably, this however definitely at expense of the sharpness. I do not want to let the Panny look bad by any means here, but if one does not look for a projector for cinema passport for dark areas with too much ambient light, this projector is simply unbeatable!!! With Blueray films I have by the way clearly noticed that the films 1000x am liquid dargstellt here than with the HC1100. I found also better downscaling than with the Panny... Naja vlt. also only fancy. Which fell me also very much is the durable housing. The thing is genuinly very beautifully finished. One has the feeling one could the part by the window throw and it would still function. Property by the way the projector also with the VW100 compared and as an amateur I noticed no all too large difference.

Naja this are all stating an amateur. It has determines 1000 things be corrected could, but has simply mark described like I the equipment faces here. Right writing errors or grammar errors may keep you gladly. The post office serves only the information transfer. Property now times also very fast written.

Achja, by the way vertically Banding could not I constitute. White jeodch not whether the device dependent is. Faith however daass this despite the same Pannels gefixed became.

Briefly:
More brightness
better color representation
high contrast also during high light achievement
very durable housing
Schickes Design
super signal processing
post #270 of 1401
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