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post #31 of 1401
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Originally Posted by CoryW View Post

Do you know the accuracy/source of this article? I am concerned about the following quote:

"Sony says its LCD projector can produce images up to 5m (200-inches) wide without affecting image quality, and the projector only needs to be 2.3 metres away from the wall or screen to produce an image 80-inches wide."

Cine4home states that the zoom ratio is actually 1.60:1 for the new Sony. That nothing close to what the above quote implies. Of course, the above quote appears to be completely wrong because even a zoom ratio of 2.10:1 produces an image 67" wide/77" diagonal at 7.5 feet (2.3m quoted in article).

It is a typo. It should have been 80" diagonal rather than wide. Actually the len is 1.55:1 I think same as HS61/51A.
post #32 of 1401
In response to an earlier question it would seem that this new projector will have a higher black level than the HS-60 did. The after calibration contrast ratio is exactly the same as the HS-60 but it is brighter therefore the black level will also be higher. Those contrast numbers with filter are impressive but I wonder what the grayscale tracking and cie color chart look like in that mode.

Moe

Moe
post #33 of 1401
Projectorreviews looks like it's going to have a review of this soon
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Latest News & Comments

Next Review: Sony AW15, a new 720p LCD HT projector. Review is in write up stage.
post #34 of 1401
Small and fairly useless video review :

http://www.shinyshiny.tv/2007/03/aw15_sonys_firs.html
post #35 of 1401
Well, I wrote Art from projectorreviews.com and asked him a bit about the AW15 and the review he's working on. He's pretty backed up, but it's coming. Here's what he had to say (Note: his comments were "off the top of his head," meaning he hasn't had a chance to work with the PJ for about 2 weeks):
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...Unlike other reviews, I had it for a very short time (2 full days and chage), as Sony offered it to me immediately but said they needed it back quickly, and I was leaving for vacation. So, I brought it in, did the usual photo shoots, adjustments and measurements, but had far less time for general viewing.



But more to the point, I am way behind on the 1080p projector comparison (which I'm working on right now), and am more than a month behind schedule on, so I have promised myself to finish that by this weekend.



As soon as it's done, I'll finish writing up the Sony, and hopefully post in 8-9 days.



I can't tell you a lot about the Sony, other than it seems to be a fairly typical projector of its type, and like most Sony projectors, brightness is not a strength, with best mode (cinema) brightness of 281 lumens low lamp, 444 high lamp, brightest mode, however only about 650 lumens.



Color balance out of the box was very good, a little warm (reddish) with the Sony tending to more red in the lower grayscale ranges (common, but their shift is more than most). Adjusting wasn't too hard, and the final range had 30ire at 6387 and 100ire at 6702, very good color balance.



Sharpness was typical for an LCD in this class (excluding the Panasonic AX100 with smoothscreen), perhaps not quite as sharp as the Sanyo Z5, but, if not, very close.



Based on the pricepoint, the Z5 is the closest competition it would seem, at least if you are sticking to LCD.



I liked it, but was not "wowed" by it. Of course I'm getting pretty jaded, it's hard to really impress me now that I just installed my JVC RS1.



hope that helps... stay tuned.
post #36 of 1401
Shouldnt we be geting some new details soon since this thing is going to launch sometme next month, barring any delays of course. Anyone have any info?
post #37 of 1401
I think we need to email bomb projectorreviews to get that write up posted.
post #38 of 1401
All that will do is to delay his write-up more - I hope you were joking . Art does not appreciate being pushed. I understand your desire for instant gratification, but just cool it .

As he said to hotdogwater2, he's doing it per his committed schedule. With only 2+ days to do his review, I don't expect a lot of the more detailed analysis that he has done on other models. He didn't have a lot of time with the Epson 400 either, and that review was not as comprehensive as it could have been.
post #39 of 1401
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Originally Posted by CT_Wiebe View Post

All that will do is to delay his write-up more - I hope you were joking . Art does not appreciate being pushed. I understand your desire for “instant gratification”, but just “cool it” .

As he said to hotdogwater2, he's doing it per his committed schedule. With only 2+ days to do his review, I don’t expect a lot of the more detailed analysis that he has done on other models. He didn't have a lot of time with the Epson 400 either, and that review was not as comprehensive as it could have been.


Clearly I was joking, hence the
I guess I need to start subtitling my comments for the humor impaired
post #40 of 1401
Curious to test this machine when it comes out especially with a filter to max out contrast. Cine4home claims 10000:1 with the proper filter. The HS60 could do this but its output after filter placement was so low that it was not worth it. I wonder if they've gone with a cheaper, less sharp lens to help hit its price point?

Moe
post #41 of 1401
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Originally Posted by Zipplemeyer View Post

Curious to test this machine when it comes out especially with a filter to max out contrast. Cine4home claims 10000:1 with the proper filter. The HS60 could do this but its output after filter placement was so low that it was not worth it. I wonder if they've gone with a cheaper, less sharp lens to help hit its price point?

Moe

Forget filter mod. It is all poor way of increasing CR.
With any filter on lens you will increase internal reflections and hence decreasing ANSI CR. It is not worth it. A color filter is even worse due to its color push across the board. I think you should be fine with 8k:1 on/off with a $1k unit.
post #42 of 1401
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Originally Posted by CaspianM View Post

Forget filter mod. It is all poor way of increasing CR.
With any filter on lens you will increase internal reflections and hence decreasing ANSI CR. It is not worth it. A color filter is even worse due to its color push across the board. I think you should be fine with 8k:1 on/off with a $1k unit.

Potentially. As long as the resulting color push can be corrected no harm done. If filtering is a bad way of increasing contrast what exactly is the good way? By the way which projector is 1K that can do 8K:1 calibrated? Certainly not this model. Nor the HS60. 5K:1 after cal.

Moe
post #43 of 1401
Calibrated... Are you going to calibrate it? Do you have the equipment or want to spend $500~$1k for ISF on a $1200 pj?
Out of Box Sony hs60 was near 11k:1. There are also unit to unit variations. Some will do better than others. I have had two of these and each exhibited different for CR and top lumen.
How one uses a color filter on the lens and don't messup the primaries and secondaries is beyond me. HS series has such a wonderful color that it is shame to mess with it in order to remedy something that this machine is not meant to. But that is me.
I have a calibrated HS51A that puts out 7500:1 on/off and a top lumen of near 300 after calibration for D65. Standard mode @7500k and it is brighter.
post #44 of 1401
Yes I would calibrate it with my Display2 meter. As far as contrast is concerned I am only quoting the numbers that Cine4home got after D65 calibration. Even if the primaries and secondaries got "messed up" isn't this what the Sony's CCM function is for, to give ability to move primary and secondary points on the cie chart? Why do some companies such as Epson and Panasonic have filters incorporated into some of their models? To each their own and I am not looking for a debate but the ability to have a filtered contrast ratio that rivals the Sony Pearl is highly appealing to me.

Moe
post #45 of 1401
I dont know if anyone would know this already or not but my room is about 12 ft wide and I was trying to get a 106 inch diagonal from that distance is that going to be possible or should I try an alternate placement?
post #46 of 1401
reviews out: skip it!
post #47 of 1401
His review was a good read. From what I took of it - and being in the market for this range of projector - I'm still better off going with the Sanyo PLV-Z5 because of it being much brighter overall and still maintain good black levels and sharpness.

My only concern is if I should pull the trigger before the $200 rebate expires at the end of May or if they'll just extend it or lower the price after that date passes, on the Z5.
post #48 of 1401
Epson cannot match the overall quality of Sony. Its black level and color accuracy aren't there. I disagree with some of his spin to divide readers. One of his funny comments was"less saturated but natural." He needs to put up space colorimetry, top lumen as well as black level measurement. His gray scale is lacking 20 IRE . I agree Sony is a HT PJ and is not really meant for presentation or sports club to be run with ambient light. In controlled light environment it looks great amd put away a lot of more expensive DLP.
post #49 of 1401
Not very bright now I wonder if I want this or the ax100 in case I need the extra light power, tough decisions. I did however plan to get a Dalite HP screen so that may be what I do to counteract the low light output. We shall see.
post #50 of 1401
defboob i was think the same thing go with sony or z5. the z5 i read have problem but sony my also have some problems. man man man
post #51 of 1401
Cine4home got better brightness numbers, maybe shorter throw in set up and better bulb. Also, pretty impressive contrast number, esp. with the tweak. Check out their preview if you haven't.
post #52 of 1401
Is anyone planning on getting this projector because I would like to hear an in home impression.
post #53 of 1401
I think its fair to say Art did not like this projector but was very nice about slamming it.
post #54 of 1401
Art didn't really "slam" it. He just didn't have the time to review it properly (as he explained). My impression was that he thought it was pretty good (from his, abbreviated, test). What he slammed was the exaggerated CR claims that Sony is making (12,000:1). It may actually approach that CR figure in an On/Off test, but that's not how we view video (which is what he refered to - he did say that it has very good black levels). He did think that it produced very good skin tones and did not have an oversaturated picture, that a lot of PJs have OOTB.
post #55 of 1401
Sony skin tone is one to be seen and he also mentioned that. Oversaturation is not a good thing no matter what you watch. But that is not a biggy since saturation can be dialed in very easily. On/off of Sony is about 8000:1 and is not a child play for any projector in that price range can produce. His main was its light output but if you read his comments it is only in cinema mode, in the rest of the mode AW15 is plenty bright. There are ways to brighten up this PJ even in cinema mode.
post #56 of 1401
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Originally Posted by bsntn99 View Post

Cine4home got better brightness numbers, maybe shorter throw in set up and better bulb. Also, pretty impressive contrast number, esp. with the tweak. Check out their preview if you haven't.



We always calibrate to D65 with optimized Gains before we measure the brightness.


Regards,
Ekkehart, Cine4Home
post #57 of 1401
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Originally Posted by rahimlee54 View Post

Is anyone planning on getting this projector because I would like to hear an in home impression.


I am going to get one for my family room theater. I have a CRT in my main theater.

Is there a english version of the review on Cine4Home on the Topaz or better known as AW15 ?
post #58 of 1401
Why wouldnt we just get a Da lite Highpower screen for this pj and get the extra brightness?
post #59 of 1401
I have a 106" Da-Lite High-Power (HP) screen (Model C pull-down) and the AW-15 would be more than bright enough in it's absolute dimmest mode (Cinema mode + Low Lamp = 281 Lumens per Art at projector reviews). The Cinema mode + High Lamp would be too bright, even in the daytime.

Remember, the HP screen has a gain of 2.8, so it makes the Sony effectively into a 770 lumen PJ in it's dimmest mode. But the HP screen is designed for shelf mounted PJs only - it isn't designed for ceiling mounts because it is retro-reflective (it aims the incident light back towards the PJ).

As a matter of fact, I'm considering getting a lower gain screen, because the HP is so bright, that I have to use ND2 filters (50% cut in lumen output) on most modern PJs to eliminate the eyestrain due to an excessively bright picture. Something like a gain = 1.4 -1.6 screen would be much better (like the Carada Brilliant White screen).
post #60 of 1401
So you are suggesting a lower gain screen then because I had planned on getting a Dalite HP model B screen 106" myself. I havent had a chance to see any screens in action but alot of people recommend HP screens so I figured I would give them a whirl. I suppose I could go to one of the local high end botiques and check the screens out, but I couldn't afford anything they have there right now so I haven't been.
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