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post #31 of 155
The Blu-ray sold me on the PS3. Had it not had the ability to play Blu-ray disks I would have never bought it. It's not like there is a vast library of games out for the thing, I own one game and hardly ever play it. Thank you Sony for inculding the Blu-ray!!!
post #32 of 155
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Originally Posted by MSpeed6 View Post

I'd rather pay 600 dollars now for a system that will last me 10 years, like the last two playstations. What was the life cycle for the xbox?? less then 3. Besides microsoft gives a choice, a choice of nickle and dime for every little thing. 200bux for a harddrive and 100bux for wireless.

Rationalize much?
post #33 of 155
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Originally Posted by bbc20000 View Post

thanx to blu-ray. PS3 is way too expensive. Sony should have done what Microsoft did and release blu-ray as an add-on. Had they done that, Sony would have released PS3 earlier, it would cost less, Sony could produce more, it would have lauch the console all over the world at the same time. Which, would mean that Sony would have 20 mil of PS3 sold by now or more. If you assume that every 10th person who owns PS3 would by the add-on then there would be 2mill of blu-ray addons on the market. Now, Sony struggles with both and it will loose the cosole war and draw in the format war at best.


For one thing, blu-ray player or not, sony would not have sold 20 million by now.

Another, 10% of ps3 owners having a blu-ray add-on is wildly over estimated. Anyone have figures as to how many 360 add-ons have been sold to date? If you estimate 300k out of 10 mil 360s that's a 3% rate. So, you most likely overestimated that by at least 3x.

BTW I'll keep my ps3 games with lossless audio + no space constraints (for now). Thank you. What's the point of sony even launching the ps3 if they're going to make it a clone of the 360?

The whole debacle with the "elite", lack of internal hd-dvd drive, and ongoing bricking issues are reasons why I'm not going with a 360 as a gaming platform/movie player. Basically, the more research I did, the more appalled I was regarding various issues. (I know I mentioned it in other threads).

I will stick to my ps3 & PC for gaming, ps3 for blu-ray, and I will buy a hd-dvd standalone when christmas deals come around.
post #34 of 155
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Originally Posted by yakkosmurf View Post

Some people look at the price of a high performing car and say the same thing. It's all a matter of preference and what you want. I would have paid more for the PS3 because it has the features I want, and I know it should be selling for close to $1000 given it's production cost. Enjoy your Kia....

I hope you don't ever lose your job and go on living on unemployment benefits for a long time...the you'll understand what values mean... then a KIA would be a luxury to you.
post #35 of 155
format war has keep me from buying any hd player plus other hd audio etc . ps 3 is on my list . but what has really hurt sony is the WII . its graphics suck its not all that i did not want one . my son did . i put it off until i played my brother in laws WII . than i went out and bought one ( did i mention you still cant find these at the store because they cant keep up with demand) if the WII never came out sony would be selling alot more systems . i would have . now im just waiting for things to settle. my projector does not support 1080 p just 720 . i would like a player that upconverts standard dvd also . sony and blue ray have given me no reason to buy . games are $$$$ and BR DVD are $$$$$ i will save my money for now . they are not going to sell sh$t with prices where they are . put BR DVD at 20.00 or less and they would sell more players and ps3 . just my opinion and were i stand .
post #36 of 155
It's BD(Blu-ray Disc). There is no such thing as a BR DVD. A BD has nothing to do with a DVD.
post #37 of 155
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

It's BD(Blu-ray Disc). There is no such thing as a BR DVD. A BD has nothing to do with a DVD.

well lets look at dvd.

DVD (commonly known as "Digital Versatile Disc" or "Digital Video Disc") is an optical disc storage media format that can be used for data storage, including movies with high video and sound quality.

so i would say according to that Blu-ray disc is a DVD. A newer form of DVD but dvd none the less.
post #38 of 155
VCD is an optical disc storage media format that can be used for data storage, including movies with bad video and sound quality.


--> Video CDs are DVDs. No, Really.
post #39 of 155
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Originally Posted by joe_six_pack View Post

For one thing, blu-ray player or not, sony would not have sold 20 million by now.

Another, 10% of ps3 owners having a blu-ray add-on is wildly over estimated. Anyone have figures as to how many 360 add-ons have been sold to date? If you estimate 300k out of 10 mil 360s that's a 3% rate. So, you most likely overestimated that by at least 3x.

BTW I'll keep my ps3 games with lossless audio + no space constraints (for now). Thank you. What's the point of sony even launching the ps3 if they're going to make it a clone of the 360?

The whole debacle with the "elite", lack of internal hd-dvd drive, and ongoing bricking issues are reasons why I'm not going with a 360 as a gaming platform/movie player. Basically, the more research I did, the more appalled I was regarding various issues. (I know I mentioned it in other threads).

I will stick to my ps3 & PC for gaming, ps3 for blu-ray, and I will buy a hd-dvd standalone when christmas deals come around.

You know, I always hear BD format only fans talk about BD is king, has the content, why would you pick an inferior format like HDDVD?

Well,PS3 for gaming is the inferior gaming platform at the moment. With PS3 bleeding exclusives, and hot properties like Halo,Gears of War,Bioshock, you would be a fool not to get a 360. Lets not forget the superior XBOX live.

If your a hardcore gamer like myself, get both. You need to see beyond the whole WAR, MS makes a great box.
post #40 of 155
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Originally Posted by Urza View Post

You know, I always hear BD format only fans talk about BD is king, has the content, why would you pick an inferior format like HDDVD?

Well,PS3 for gaming is the inferior gaming platform at the moment. With PS3 bleeding exclusives, and hot properties like Halo,Gears of War,Bioshock, you would be a fool not to get a 360. Lets not forget the superior XBOX live.

If your a hardcore gamer like myself, get both. You need to see beyond the whole WAR, MS makes a great box.

For me, it's because PS3 is the better deal now considering both HD playback and gaming. Knowing the Playstation brand and the video game console market, they will only get stronger/better with time.

I did not get a Xbox 360 because of early stability issues (chief among other reasons which I shall not list here). Subsequent Xbox 360 revisions like the Elite doesn't address my needs... and it's even more expensive.
post #41 of 155
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Originally Posted by hellokitty View Post

For me, it's because PS3 is the better deal now considering both HD playback and gaming. Knowing the Playstation brand and the video game console market, they will only get stronger/better with time.

I did not get a Xbox 360 because of early stability issues (chief among other reasons which I shall not list here). Subsequent Xbox 360 revisions like the Elite doesn't address my needs... and it's even more expensive.

BTW the stability issues, as with most products are WAY overblown.

What exactly does the 360 not address?

As for PS3 getting stronger and better,so will the 360. I enjoy the PS3, but Sony is just not going to be the lead horse in the Next Gen Game war, a position it is not used to.
post #42 of 155
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Originally Posted by Urza View Post

BTW the stability issues, as with most products are WAY overblown.

May be, but it's definitely higher than all the consoles in history. A significant number of people were affected. Microsoft took their time to admit it, I still hear problems about them. Peter Moore said they were not going to fix the scratch disc issue when it was first discovered. All these did not build a good impression for me.

Now they try to make up with better warranty and return policy. But I just don't want to waste my time handling those things should it hit me. I am also not sure if they have used up all the cheap, raw components they signed in yet.

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What exactly does the 360 not address?

Reasonably priced peripherals. Paying for online gaming which should be free. There are also some unique things on PS3 that attracts me too (e.g., Remote Play). I may consider Xbox 360 later, but not now.

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As for PS3 getting stronger and better,so will the 360. I enjoy the PS3, but Sony is just not going to be the lead horse in the Next Gen Game war, a position it is not used to.

Sure... but the argument that PS3 is inferior to Xbox 360 in gaming now may not stand in the long run. Like Blu-ray vs HD-DVD, they may leap frog because the base spec is higher.
post #43 of 155
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Originally Posted by JeffDL View Post

The Blu-ray sold me on the PS3. Had it not had the ability to play Blu-ray disks I would have never bought it. It's not like there is a vast library of games out for the thing, I own one game and hardly ever play it. Thank you Sony for inculding the Blu-ray!!!

It had the exact opposite for me. I have the PS2 and would have naturally upgraded to the PS3 when the prices were acceptable to my budget.

However adding an expensive BD player to the machine made it too expensive, and I felt compelled to buy it...as though I were being forced to buy a BD player and pay for the added cost. Well i don't like my hand being forced.

Unless Sony can drop the PS3 price to within the same as one could buy an HD-A2, we will continue to see more decline in the sale of this player/gamer.
post #44 of 155
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Originally Posted by hellokitty View Post

All these did not build a good impression for me..

If your worried about a company giving off bad impressions, Sony should be the last company you buy a product from. Rootkit anybody? The list is huge! Yet, it did not stop you from buying a PS3.

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Originally Posted by hellokitty View Post

I am also not sure if they have used up all the cheap, raw components they signed in yet..

Not sure where your getting that from. ALL companies are trying to make a buck, and cut costs. I dont know how Sony would be any different.



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Originally Posted by hellokitty View Post

Reasonably priced peripherals. Paying for online gaming which should be free. ..

This one baffled me the most, as it is flat out wrong. Controllers,remotes,cables,coolers,etc. etc.?

The online thing your just dead wrong. Have you seen how smooth XBOX live is? Sony store and online offerings are horrible!! Using the PS3 online makes me want to scratch my eyes out. Live is even going IPTV.

Moral of the story, buy BOTH. My guess is your blinded more by a FORMAT WAR fan instinct, and the NITPICKING the 360 is a cover up.
post #45 of 155
Somewhat related, last week the PS2 out sold the PS3 in japan, which i believe is the first time this has happened since the PS3 launch.
post #46 of 155
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Originally Posted by gooki View Post

Somewhat related, last week the PS2 out sold the PS3 in japan, which i believe is the first time this has happened since the PS3 launch.

Plain and simple, its the price. We know darn well the PS2 is not the better machine, which is why I tell BD people here, ignore price at your peril, it is a huge factor.
post #47 of 155
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Originally Posted by Urza View Post

If your worried about a company giving off bad impressions, Sony should be the last company you buy a product from. Rootkit anybody? The list is huge! Yet, it did not stop you from buying a PS3.

I think you're just looking for dirt.

In the earlier days, Xbox 360 *did* scratch discs and until recently still die due to hardware issues. These are all issues related to Xbox 360. It is more than a lasting impression.

Sony is a big company, PS3 comes from SCE and not Sony BMG. Rootkit, battery failures are issues from other divisions.... just like malware, blue screen of death come from MS's OS side. Should I worry about them on Xbox 360 ? Nope.

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Not sure where your getting that from. ALL companies are trying to make a buck, and cut costs. I dont know how Sony would be any different.

MS used some cheap parts to build the original Xbox 360. You can find various references on the net. Sony has tighter manufacturing controls, that's why you rarely hear of PS3 hardware failure.

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This one baffled me the most, as it is flat out wrong. Controllers,remotes,cables,coolers,etc. etc.?

From Microsoft's pricing ? They take different approach. I'm just not willing to pay for on-going subscription fee and expensive hard disk expansions.

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The online thing your just dead wrong. Have you seen how smooth XBOX live is? Sony store and online offerings are horrible!! Using the PS3 online makes me want to scratch my eyes out. Live is even going IPTV.

Not wrong. Just don't see a huge motivation to buy into their strategy. What's the big deal about content downloading, and online gaming that has existed on PC gaming for years for free ? I played Resistance online and it has better online experience than most of Xbox Live games. Lousy online games will sell badly and the market will remove them. At the end of the day, I will be able to get reasonably good online service for free on PS3. Movie download for PS3 is coming in Fall too.

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Moral of the story, buy BOTH. My guess is your blinded more by a FORMAT WAR fan instinct, and the NITPICKING the 360 is a cover up.

Why should I ? Didn't you just advocate everyone can have a different opinion ? I'll consider Xbox 360 when the time is right, just not now.
post #48 of 155
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Originally Posted by hellokitty View Post

I think you're just looking for dirt..

Not at all, you brought up impressions. Sony provides plenty of dirt, I dont have to look far.

Also, please dont give me that "Different divisions" junk. If a division does something stupid, it will affect the company as a whole. Do you think the average consumer would say "Oh its not Sony, only an arm of Sony that messed up"? Of course not, they see it as SONY not Sony online, or Music Sony, etc.

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Originally Posted by hellokitty View Post

From Microsoft's pricing ? They take different approach. I'm just not willing to pay for on-going subscription fee and expensive hard disk expansions...

Its funny you talk about MS pricing, are you kidding me? Sony charges a premium for anything that says SONY. TV's, you name it.

As far as subscription, you bought a PS3 and cant afford the yearly price of live?

As for the hard disk, I agree it does cost too much, but its an OPTION. You dont have to buy it.



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Originally Posted by hellokitty View Post

Not wrong. Just don't see a huge motivation to buy into their strategy. What's the big deal about content downloading, and online gaming that has existed on PC gaming for years for free ? I played Resistance online and it has better online experience than most of Xbox Live games. Lousy online games will sell badly and the market will remove them. At the end of the day, I will be able to get reasonably good online service for free on PS3. Movie download for PS3 is coming in Fall too...

Most will tell you, online Sony leaves a lot to be desired. It's free, because it stinks. Do the games play well? Sure.

Another thing, Sony is starting to copy some live ideas. They seem to be adding a little thing called achievments

So, you dont see a huge motivation to buy into the MS strategy, but point out with glee how Sony will be adding movie content etc. Sounds like your motivated enough, as long as Sony is doing it



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Originally Posted by hellokitty View Post

Why should I ? Didn't you just advocate everyone can have a different opinion ? I'll consider Xbox 360 when the time is right, just not now.

Your right, it is your opinion.

However, instead of reading what the PRESS says, and what the NET says, you need to try the 360 more than once, and not at an EB games. I own both, and I can tell you with great certainty what the glaring weakness is of each console. I have the sore thumbs to proove it
post #49 of 155
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Originally Posted by Urza View Post

You know, I always hear BD format only fans talk about BD is king, has the content, why would you pick an inferior format like HDDVD?

Well,PS3 for gaming is the inferior gaming platform at the moment. With PS3 bleeding exclusives, and hot properties like Halo,Gears of War,Bioshock, you would be a fool not to get a 360. Lets not forget the superior XBOX live.

If your a hardcore gamer like myself, get both. You need to see beyond the whole WAR, MS makes a great box.

When have I said something like this? "BD is king, has the content, why would you pick an inferior format like HDDVD?" At the right price, I'd pick one up. I was rather disappointed with the elite's specs, which is my shift towards a standalone once it reaches mass consumer pricing.


Tell MS to fix their red rings issue then come back. The elite did nothing to improve cooling or design of the box. I will not pay $400 - $480 to have the thing brick 6 mos - 1 year later. You don't buy electronics with a known high failure rate (at least I dont). I don't understand how some hardcore 360 guys are having their 360s fail out of warranty & they'll just go and pick up another one. Typically, I spend a decent amount of time researching before I purchase something. I think my tv & receiver/speakers took 2 months each. The more I was looking into the 360, the less I liked. As I said, I will stick to my pc & ps3 for gaming.

I'm a rather busy person, and don't have the time to game nearly as much as I would like. So, even if I did have a 3rd gaming system, I wouldn't be able to make the full use of it. Hell, I'd love to play my way through oblivion, but I know I'll lose interest if I don't play it regularly.


Halo is a fun game, I used to have a lot of fun playing with networked boxes with friends. I used to love the vehicles. COD3 has good vehicles, but doesn't seem as polished as halo's. GOW I never really cared for, as I had trouble getting the dude to do what I wanted (maybe I just suck, IDK). Also, I'm a FPS more than a TPS. TPS are good for certain games, I just didn't care for it with GOW. Bioshock, I will probably just buy for the PC.

As far as bleeding exclusives, there are rarely ever 3rd party developers that make "true exclusives". Many of these exclusives lost that people are getting excited over have had prior games on the pc or xbox already. So that's no surprise. Just my .02, but in this generation of gaming, I fully expect most 3rd party games to be multiplatform with only a relatively few truly exclusive. So, it's my opinion that multiplatform games are a foregone conclusion. Developing games is expensive & developers will market the games to a wide audience to make money. It will be a battle of the 1st & 2nd party games. It makes the gamer's choice easier & decreases the need to buy both consoles.
post #50 of 155
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Originally Posted by Urza View Post

Plain and simple, its the price. We know darn well the PS2 is not the better machine, which is why I tell BD people here, ignore price at your peril, it is a huge factor.

PS2 sales would be better compared to the wii imho... PS2 is an entry level system as is wii imho.
post #51 of 155
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Originally Posted by Urza View Post

Not at all, you brought up impressions. Sony provides plenty of dirt, I dont have to look far.

I brought up my impressions *and* issues with Xbox 360. You brought in bunch of other irrelevant news to confuse the issue.

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Also, please dont give me that "Different divisions" junk. If a division does something stupid, it will affect the company as a whole. Do you think the average consumer would say "Oh its not Sony, only an arm of Sony that messed up"? Of course not, they see it as SONY not Sony online, or Music Sony, etc.

Read my post again. I'm talking about my own reasoning why I did not consider an Xbox 360. Why would "average consumers' opinion" affect me ?

Are you also saying Microsoft is a bad company and you should not buy from them too ?

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Its funny you talk about MS pricing, are you kidding me? Sony charges a premium for anything that says SONY. TV's, you name it.

If it's a good product, then any company will charge a premium for it. Not all will continue to wring you dry along the way. I'm more careful with my money.

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As far as subscription, you bought a PS3 and cant afford the yearly price of live?

That's a question of worth not affordability. Not all rich people waste money.

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As for the hard disk, I agree it does cost too much, but its an OPTION. You dont have to buy it.

With larger content, someone will be forced to one day. Why would MS launch 120Gb if no one needs it (ever).

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Most will tell you, online Sony leaves a lot to be desired. It's free, because it stinks. Do the games play well? Sure.

It's free because Sony does not intend to charge for it. period. The rest is your personal opinion. I am excited by Home, I like downloadable games like flOw. I like Resistance's lag free and deep clan support. Sony has improved the Playstation Network rather quickly. I look forward to move enhancements along the way.

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Another thing, Sony is starting to copy some live ideas. They seem to be adding a little thing called achievments

So ? Microsoft copied Apple. Didn't "achievement" exist in previous games before ? In any case, it's the total package that count. Sony incorporated achievement and took it further with Playstation Home.

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So, you dont see a huge motivation to buy into the MS strategy, but point out with glee how Sony will be adding movie content etc. Sounds like your motivated enough, as long as Sony is doing it

I pointed out Sony movie content to remind you that it will be added anyway in Fall. Not sure whether I need to smile while posting it, but it'll be there if you enjoy that sort of things. I'm more delighted because PSN is free.

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Your right, it is your opinion.

However, instead of reading what the PRESS says, and what the NET says, you need to try the 360 more than once, and not at an EB games. I own both, and I can tell you with great certainty what the glaring weakness is of each console. I have the sore thumbs to proove it

Why don't you just accept my opinion as mine and let it be. I have sore thumbs from Resistance and MotorStorm too.
post #52 of 155
After the launch of the wii and the 360 their was a 99% drop in sales after two weeks
post #53 of 155
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Originally Posted by RudyMeister View Post

I hope you don't ever lose your job and go on living on unemployment benefits for a long time...the you'll understand what values mean... then a KIA would be a luxury to you.

I hear ya on that one. But a paid for performance car is not much more expensive than a paid for Kia, month to month.
post #54 of 155
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Originally Posted by Urza View Post

...MS makes a great box.

This is the only part I question. The 360 is a good performer, and it's got some good games. But the quality problems of the 360 scare me from spending that much money on one. Yes, some PS3s have had problems and there are more 360s, but the rate of some of the problems is keeping me from buying one right now.
post #55 of 155
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Originally Posted by blklacker View Post

After the launch of the wii and the 360 their was a 99% drop in sales after two weeks

This number sounds very made up. Where did you get it from?
post #56 of 155
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Originally Posted by Urza View Post

As far as subscription, you bought a PS3 and cant afford the yearly price of live?

For me personally, I think the price of the PS3 over the 360 is due to added capability. The XBOX Live subscription is just silly to me. Partly because I don't use the online features regularly enough to have it worth paying for.
post #57 of 155
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Originally Posted by hellokitty View Post

I brought up my impressions *and* issues with Xbox 360. You brought in bunch of other irrelevant news to confuse the issue.



Read my post again. I'm talking about my own reasoning why I did not consider an Xbox 360. Why would "average consumers' opinion" affect me ?

Are you also saying Microsoft is a bad company and you should not buy from them too ?



If it's a good product, then any company will charge a premium for it. Not all will continue to wring you dry along the way. I'm more careful with my money.



That's a question of worth not affordability. Not all rich people waste money.



With larger content, someone will be forced to one day. Why would MS launch 120Gb if no one needs it (ever).



It's free because Sony does not intend to charge for it. period. The rest is your personal opinion. I am excited by Home, I like downloadable games like flOw. I like Resistance's lag free and deep clan support. Sony has improved the Playstation Network rather quickly. I look forward to move enhancements along the way.



So ? Microsoft copied Apple. Didn't "achievement" exist in previous games before ? In any case, it's the total package that count. Sony incorporated achievement and took it further with Playstation Home.



I pointed out Sony movie content to remind you that it will be added anyway in Fall. Not sure whether I need to smile while posting it, but it'll be there if you enjoy that sort of things. I'm more delighted because PSN is free.



Why don't you just accept my opinion as mine and let it be. I have sore thumbs from Resistance and MotorStorm too.

Rather than drag this on and on, I will let you enjoy your PS3, and I will enjoy my PS3 and 360, and Wii
post #58 of 155
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Originally Posted by yakkosmurf View Post

For me personally, I think the price of the PS3 over the 360 is due to added capability. The XBOX Live subscription is just silly to me. Partly because I don't use the online features regularly enough to have it worth paying for.

Which is fine, dont expect you to pay for something you dont use.
post #59 of 155
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Originally Posted by yakkosmurf View Post

This is the only part I question. The 360 is a good performer, and it's got some good games. But the quality problems of the 360 scare me from spending that much money on one. Yes, some PS3s have had problems and there are more 360s, but the rate of some of the problems is keeping me from buying one right now.

Again, dont believe everything you read. If you read there are TONS of problems, or a few, the truth is probably somewhere in between.
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Originally Posted by yakkosmurf View Post

For me personally, I think the price of the PS3 over the 360 is due to added capability. The XBOX Live subscription is just silly to me. Partly because I don't use the online features regularly enough to have it worth paying for.

You obviously don't have a 14 year old son wanting to play Halo2 and other games online. Teens LOVE Xbox Live.
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