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post #31 of 4792
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Originally Posted by LordGamer View Post

I haven't bought a Philips product in years, so I'm no long familar with their quality or issues.

I assume there were problems with prior Philips recorders (or products in general)? Was it build quality, lack of features, poor functionality, something else?

Provided this new model performs well, it would be a tremendous step over my Pioneer (at least feature wise - HDMI, 1080p, twice the HDD, etc).


I have been a loyal Philips fan since about 1986 when my parent bought a 14" Philips TV which still works like new. Lately though I've been incredibly disappointed by Philips product in general, and DVD recorders in particular.

I think the problem is a global trend, and not brand specific. Ever since all major companies started having everything made in China, the quality is just not the same. But I think there is an even worse situation now - all the major companies seem to have halted completely direct production and only work on development of new products, which they license to others after words. Then they sell their names to no name chinese companies for the brand recognition.

Speficially with Philips' products of late have been major software bugs that have made their operation extremely inefficient and they often require software upgrades which are not easy to perform, and their customer only reads from the same instructions already available on their support site.

The latest DVDR3505 brings me a little hope, but I strongly suspect it is not made by Philips at all. The firmware is identical to the Funai clones of the past, and more importantly the new Magnavox models, which even say on the unit "a product of the Funai company".

This is why so many companies are willing to sell at a loss at first, like Toshiba is now with their HD DVD - they are counting on making their money back in the future from licensing to the no name brands.

Philips has been at the top of innovation for decades - the CD, DVD recorder, DAT, SACD, and pretty much every major product on the market was developed or co-developed by them. But when it comes to production, since the products stopped being made in Holland it is not the same anymore.
post #32 of 4792
When exactly did they stop manufacturing them in the Netherlands?

I had a non-HDD model for just one day at least three years ago (if not more), and I thought so little of it I returned it the next day. The Panny E85H I ended up with instead (smart move, I'd say) had an overall picture quality worlds better. Seemed a bit on the flimsy side, too (although, I'll be the first to admit that the E85H isn't exactly built like a tank either - but it IS still going strong).
post #33 of 4792
Well the last time I bought anything made in the Netherlands was in 1995, but that was back home in Europe. Don't even know if there ever were such products in the States.

Philips is still the biggest and most reputable company in Europe, and the catalog there is hugely different than the one here, but even in Europe all the stuff is made in China now.
post #34 of 4792
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Originally Posted by FullOnShred View Post

suplex, may I make a humble suggestion? Your last post would make an excellent topic of it's own. Could you be persuaded to create a new topic for it? I will certainly respond to it.

Sure, I'll give it a shot. I'll label it the: "Make your own DVD Recorder" thread.
post #35 of 4792
SIL was meandering through her local Wally world last night and reported there was a Phillips unit 160 GB hdd and digital tuner sitting on the shelf next to the still empty spot for the Polaroids. Unfortunatly she did not get a model number, sounds promising though.
post #36 of 4792
what is SIL and where is SIL
post #37 of 4792
Sister in law is in Co Bluffs, Iowa. If they are there though surely they will hitting the rest of our shelves soon.
post #38 of 4792
Is she 100% positive it was the newer model?

The reason I ask is because I was also at my local WM last night, and while they had the new, HDD-less Philips and Magnavox models, they also had one Philips w/HDD on a lower shelf. But the box looked EXACTLY the same as the non-HDD model's, and I really had to inspect it closely to see that "digital tuner" wasn't mentioned on it. At first glance I really thought it could be the new model though, as they didn't have it on the shelf last time I was there.
post #39 of 4792
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Originally Posted by Demuddle View Post

S=I=L was meandering through her local Wally world last night and reported there was a Phillips unit 160 GB hd and digital tuner sitting on the shelf next to the still empty spot for the Polaroids. Unfortunatly she did not get a model number, sounds promising though.

She may possibly have done what I did tonight. Local Wallyworld, I wander into the electronics section, see the empty space for digital Polaroid 160gb HDD model, lo and behold there is a Philips 160gb HDD model right beside it. $298.......My eyes got really big....... until I looked closer and saw it was the older NTSC model. The 3455/37. Wonder if that's what happened to her?
post #40 of 4792
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Originally Posted by FullOnShred View Post

.......My eyes got really big.......

Same initial reaction here .
post #41 of 4792
Maybe it was Walmart trying to sneak a few older models under the other label.

Hey will this new model record in 16:9 if recording from the ATSC antenna source? I understand this is recording in 480i or 480p but will it display in the 16:9 format when playback?
post #42 of 4792
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Is she 100% positive it was the newer model?

hmm I'm not absolutely sure, did she read the box or the tag, knowing she is usually a pretty savy shopper I'd think box.

After spending many hours on the phone with her in the last few day trying to help her locate a hdd dvr that didn't disappear the minute you tried to buy it I'm reluctant to call her right now. I'm sure I'll hear from her tomorrow when XS35s she bought are supposed to be there, I'll check then and get back to you.

Apologize in advance if I got your hopes up for nothing.
post #43 of 4792
demuddle, no need for apologies at all. It was just that I initially thought the same thing and then upon closer inspection saw it was the older model. Your SIL may be dead on the money, or it could have been similar to what happened to Rammitinski and me. Either way, no biggie. If it is the new Digital Tuner Model, we respectfully request a full report as soon as she (or anyone else with connections to this board) gets one. Thanks!
post #44 of 4792
Yes indeed! Enquiring minds wanna know! If we can't have HD passthrough, how about a HD unit? If one shows up here, I'm testing it!
post #45 of 4792
Besides HD passthru I gotta have the latest ATSC chip set. The chip that handles multpath issues like my STB Samsung DTB-H260F. If it does not have it I might as well buy a legacy model.

BTW- What does this mean? "Built-in SDTV Tuner for digital television reception"

I am guessing a SD not HD tuner but not sure.

Funny thing about the big companies doing the design and then in the future licensing to the no name brands.

You would think that would give the big companies incentive to design something the no names would want to buy from them.

-DonB2
post #46 of 4792
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Originally Posted by DonB2 View Post

BTW- What does this mean? "Built-in SDTV Tuner for digital television reception"

I am guessing a SD not HD tuner but not sure.

The marketeers had to come up with something to explain easily what the unit does without further confusing consumers. I think in general whenever you see SDTV it will mean that the display (not the tuner) will end up being SD. So an SDTV TV or SDTV tuner (in DVDrs or anything else) nets you the same thing - an SD quality display. An SDTV tuner will tune an HD signal just fine - it just won't pass it on as such. So even tho the unit may have HDMI or component output and that output is HD the source material is still SD cause the tuner downrezed it.
post #47 of 4792
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Originally Posted by biker19 View Post

An SDTV tuner will tune an HD signal just fine

So...in essence this would apply to any station broadcasting in 720p/1080i.

SD program received from local station
Local Station upconverts to 720p/1080i and adds pillar bars to maintain aspect
SDTV tuner receives upconverted signal and downconverts to 480i
SDTV tuner upconverts 480i signal to 720p/1080i and outputs over HDMI.

Hmmm...a lot of conversions to just find out if you are "smarter than a fifth grader"

The reason a lot of us want a unit that will output true HD...even the SD DTV programs will look better
post #48 of 4792
So will/does this unit pass through an HD program to an HD set in HD?

That's all I really need to know.
post #49 of 4792
Is this the only HDD player that is available with an ATSC tuner?
post #50 of 4792
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Originally Posted by BlackKnightInNC View Post

So will/does this unit pass through an HD program to an HD set in HD?

That's all I really need to know.

Probably not, but it won't be known for sure until the actual release,
hopefully sometime in May.
post #51 of 4792
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Originally Posted by BlackKnightInNC View Post

Is this the only HDD player that is available with an ATSC tuner?

None are actually available as of this date, but there will also
be a HDD model from Polaroid.
post #52 of 4792
Do any of the recorders out now w/ ATSC tuners actually pass local HD programs through to an HD set? The DVDR 3505? I was also wondering if any of these have USB ports and if so can you record to an external hard drive as opposed to recording to DVD.
post #53 of 4792
None of the ATSC recorders currently released and available for purchase pass a native HD signal though. That's not their job. These things are not being built as digital HD tuners, they are built as SD DVD recorders. Some models offer upconversion through HDMI but I suspect it has more to do with that feature being in vogue than anything else.

I can understand the desire for HD pass through. People who bought HD-TVs that were "HD-ready" -- meaning no digital tuner because they were too expensive -- are largely screwed for OTA reception. There only seems to be one or two HD tuners on the market to choose from -- the Samsung is the only one talked about here and it cost $200. It would be nice to spend that and get a DVD recorder too boot. But that doesn't seem very likely now, does it.
post #54 of 4792
Well, then this is VERY deceiving to a prospective buyer:

The Philips DVDR3505 DVD recorder with TV tuner allows you to watch and record HDTV programs like never before. Its built-in SDTV tuner receives over-the-air digital broadcasts. There's no need to invest in a separate HDTV converter box or HDTV receivers. Watch and record all your favorite programming in perfect quality HDMI.

That's copied off of Wally World's site.
post #55 of 4792
if you don't know the difference between SDTV and HDTV I would say yes...but it is actually more accurate than what most manufacturers provide. It clearly states SDTV Tuner and OTA digital, nothing about tuning an HDTV signal. However, you will still need a separate box to get encrypted channels (HD or not)
post #56 of 4792
Actually it tunes and records the HDTV signals just fine - what it doesn't clearly spell out is that the signal is downrezed (no longer HD) and no where after the initial tuner is the HD signal present.
post #57 of 4792
Do you think we will ever be able to record in HD? (other than onto DVR). WIll we ever be able to pass a a high rez signal through to an HD TV?
post #58 of 4792
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Originally Posted by BlackKnightInNC View Post

Do you think we will ever be able to record in HD? (other than onto DVR). WIll we ever be able to pass a a high rez signal through to an HD TV?

Well since you are looking for speculation on the future: I believe that if we ever see an HD recorder, it will pass through the native signal from the tuner. I don't believe we will ever see an SD DVD recorder that passes anything other than 480 out (that includes 480 that is upconverted to 1080 via HDMI). I believe that when the HDD-DVDR's make their appearance they will also downconvert anything they receive to 480 before recording to the HDD in order to maximize the recording time for a given HDD size.

I hope I am wrong on the last 2 predictions, but if this market is now controlled by the chinese/korean what we see now is what we will continue to get. What they will concentrate on is getting the price down and that means the feature set will be slimmed down also to compensate.
post #59 of 4792
FWIW, I had pre-ordered this recorder from Buy.com.
Overnight I received an e-mail with this message:
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We were recently informed that the item listed below from order #33214431
is no longer available from that supplier. Please accept our sincere apologies for this inconvenience.

Not a good sign...
post #60 of 4792
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

None of the ATSC recorders currently released and available for purchase pass a native HD signal though. That's not their job. These things are not being built as digital HD tuners, they are built as SD DVD recorders. Some models offer upconversion through HDMI but I suspect it has more to do with that feature being in vogue than anything else.

I can understand the desire for HD pass through. People who bought HD-TVs that were "HD-ready" -- meaning no digital tuner because they were too expensive -- are largely screwed for OTA reception. There only seems to be one or two HD tuners on the market to choose from -- the Samsung is the only one talked about here and it cost $200. It would be nice to spend that and get a DVD recorder too boot. But that doesn't seem very likely now, does it.

I agree with Kelson. Personally I consider the lack of appropriate tuner built into the TV to be a deal breaker.
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