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post #3841 of 4792
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Originally Posted by njperry View Post

Well, I called and found the 3576 at a couple local Sams Clubs in Phoenix and was planning on buying it tonight, but a friend just asked me why I am spending $250+ on this when I could just get a $40 converter box that also has a guide and use my current DVD recorder. That made me stop and think. True, I would not have the benefits of a Hard Disk Drive, but it might get me through until the TR-50 comes out and I can record in True HD. Plus the converter box should have a guide, right? I will have to do some more research.

You can start your research on CECB's right here. Top model is the Zenith followed by Insignia & Digital Stream. No current CECB has a programming feature, you have to change channels manually which really makes them useless for use with recorders. The forthcoming DTVpal (aka. TR-40) is supposed to have "VCR timer" capability along with an expanded guide, but so far has been hyped up beyond belief without delivering anything so who knows what will actually show up.
post #3842 of 4792
note: If your recorder uses an IR blaster, there are 2 or 3 boxes that it may be able to control.

Best bet would be to wait for the DTVPal though.
post #3843 of 4792
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Originally Posted by njperry View Post

Well, I called and found the 3576 at a couple local Sams Clubs in Phoenix and was planning on buying it tonight, but a friend just asked me why I am spending $250+ on this when I could just get a $40 converter box that also has a guide and use my current DVD recorder. That made me stop and think. True, I would not have the benefits of a Hard Disk Drive, but it might get me through until the TR-50 comes out and I can record in True HD. Plus the converter box should have a guide, right? I will have to do some more research.

TR-50 does not have QAM tuner. That is deal breaker for cable (even basic cable folks).

More over it does not have have DVD writer and upconverted DVD player.

Because of above two reasons TR-50 is altogther different gadget.
post #3844 of 4792
Hi, after reading through this I had decided to go ahead with the purchase of the DVDR3576 - I can always return it, right

Now after setting it up (basically only using the cables that came out of the box) - what I'm disappointed in is that the picture quality is so bad !!

Since it is a pass through antenna signal the TV is second in line - I was expecting at least the same picture quality on both or a degradation on the TV side.

Now if I watch a channel in DVD mode (I call DVD-mode the mode when I switch my TV to display what the Recorder is currently set to show on the Video/Audio-Out jacks) vs. TV mode - the DVD mode is more fuzzy. (This is not recorded - but straight watching ...)

Since the Phillips only records in 480 []- and I do a record and compare the picture back to the TV picture the recording also looks kind of fuzzy. (Even with HDTV shows this happens - which kinda sucks - but anyways)

Is that normal ?
Did I miss a setting ? (I played around with most of them and there is no difference in the result)



Any comment is appreciated
post #3845 of 4792
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Originally Posted by FDPOD View Post

Hi, after reading through this I had decided to go ahead with the purchase of the DVDR3576 - I can always return it, right

Now after setting it up (basically only using the cables that came out of the box) - what I'm disappointed in is that the picture quality is so bad !!

Since it is a pass through antenna signal the TV is second in line - I was expecting at least the same picture quality on both or a degradation on the TV side.

Now if I watch a channel in DVD mode (I call DVD-mode the mode when I switch my TV to display what the Recorder is currently set to show on the Video/Audio-Out jacks) vs. TV mode - the DVD mode is more fuzzy. (This is not recorded - but straight watching ...)

Since the Phillips only records in 480 []- and I do a record and compare the picture back to the TV picture the recording also looks kind of fuzzy. (Even with HDTV shows this happens - which kinda sucks - but anyways)

Is that normal ?
Did I miss a setting ? (I played around with most of them and there is no difference in the result)



Any comment is appreciated

The tuner in the recorder is only SD/480 lines. Philips makes no secret of that. It is marked on the outside of the box and in all the literature. It is not going to be as sharp as a 720P or 1080I HD telecast received by an HD TV equipped with an HD tuner. Also, in my personal opinion, Upconversion is mostly snake oil. I would rather let my HD TV do the conversion from the native mode of the player to the native mode of the TV.

I sometimes get surprised by the number of people that expect Blue Ray or better quality from a $250 hard drive equipped DVD recorder with a built in SD ATSC tuner when a Blue Ray PLAYER costs so much more.
post #3846 of 4792
The passthru pic on your TV in TV Mode should actually look better with the 3576's amplified passthru, so something is definitely wrong. If your TV signal coming from the wall is directly to the 3576, then the coax continues on to the TV, no intervening devices, it almost has to be a bad tuner section?

With only coax and composite A/V cord outputs to the TV, there really is no setting that could be causing a fuzzy pic thru the 3576.
post #3847 of 4792
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

The passthru pic on your TV in TV Mode should actually look better with the 3576's amplified passthru, so something is definitely wrong. If your TV signal coming from the wall is directly to the 3576, then the coax continues on to the TV, no intervening devices, it almost has to be a bad tuner section?

With only coax and composite A/V cord outputs to the TV, there really is no setting that could be causing a fuzzy pic thru the 3576.

I read his statements a couple of times, and I think his is comparing the output of the Philips tuner "passed-thru" on composite video cables, as opposed to recorded and played back, to the picture from the HDTV tuner. I don't think he is talking about RF pass-thru of the complete broadcast spectrum.

I suspect that the only thing wrong is his expectations.
post #3848 of 4792
FDPOD, I think the video quality is very good on mine. It's not full on HD but it's as good as regular dvd resolution ever looks to me, certainly better then my analog tv captures from it. Are you only doing analog channels or have you done some digital channel caps as well, and do them from a original HD channel for the clearest video. I've mostly been using my HDTV tuner card lately for my HD fix from TV but this unit still looks great and is easier to deal with if you need non hd dvd's so you and others can play them back.
post #3849 of 4792
Thanks for the feedback

LOL
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I suspect that the only thing wrong is his expectations.

.. well, what would you expect if the box says HDMI 1080p

@Kenavs: Crap, I must have overlooked the point you made : The unit has a SD/480 Tuner !!! So everything that comes through it is upconverted - which sometimes units do it good and some not so. I guess my expectations are too high

@wajo: That's the way I have it set up. But can the tuner be bad or out of allignment ? Hmm....

@Dartman: To be honest - my idea is a.) to capture some of the old series just to have them & b.) to get some of the HD series as well to have everything in one piece instead of watching it every week with commercials.
I wanted to stay away from a PC based solution, but as it looks right now I am better off as you have a solution as well with a HD Tuner PCCard -> record to HD avi & stream to the PC port at the TV. Not as convenient as in one box but definitely better quality.
post #3850 of 4792
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Originally Posted by FDPOD View Post

Since the Phillips only records in 480 []- and I do a record and compare the picture back to the TV picture the recording also looks kind of fuzzy. (Even with HDTV shows this happens - which kinda sucks - but anyways)

Is that normal ?
Did I miss a setting ? (I played around with most of them and there is no difference in the result)

What rec mode did you use for your recording? It's shown in the title display.
post #3851 of 4792
I do have both a Toshiba A-2 HD-DVD player and a Panasonic DMP-BD10a so I have both flavors of HD formats covered. What I have been doing is capping my shows in mostly 1080i on the card, then converting them with videoredo and Movie Factory 6+ to hd-dvd format on regular dvd media. It plays great on the A-2 with full 1080i and up to 5.1 sound in dolby digital just like the original capture, and the media is cheap I can get about and hour onto 1 regular blank and almost 2 on a DL.
I don't mind having a loosing format now as making these working hd disks easily has more then made up for not being able to get HD movies for it soon.
post #3852 of 4792
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

What rec mode did you use for your recording? It's shown in the title display.

=> I used HQ

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Originally Posted by Dartman View Post

... I can get about and hour onto 1 regular blank and almost 2 on a DL. ...

=> That I could live with as well . It's just a shame that one has to fiddle around so much and not get a nice, well rounded, well thought through solution in one box at a reasonable price
post #3853 of 4792
Well I'd love a all in one unit as well, but I HAD pulled my hdtv card after a while because there was no way to archive my keepers to anything except the hard drive. Once I got the A-2 when they were around 100 I found out it was easy to make these disks so I was happy to have it no matter what, so I put the HD card back in and have been doing my favorite stuff to disk.
The non critical keepers get done on the 3575 or my old E80H, then I can burn them to dvd easily and anybody can play them.
post #3854 of 4792
All, thanks for everyone's input in this thread. I decided to go with the 3576 from Sams Club last week instead of waitin indefinitely for the TR-50 or DTV-Pal as it is now apparently being called. So far I am loving it! I pick up just a couple more OTA Digital channels than through my TV's tuner, but nothing I care to watch really. I'm dissappointed I still do not receive 61.1 (the WB), but that was dream, not an expectation. So far I have played with different settings, paused live TV, and recorded to the hard drive a couple shows. This week, I plan to start the daunting task of converting all my wife's family home videos from when she was growing up from VHS to DVD.
post #3855 of 4792
Here's a question: what is SamsClub's return policy on these items? In store they said 90 days, I called and got someone who said it depends on manager approval, so I asked to speak with someone in electronics. That person said there is no limit to when except on computers, as long as I have the receipt and everything. So what is the real story? (Sorry, I am usually a Costco customer, although I still don't know for sure what their new return policy would mean for DVD recorders.)
post #3856 of 4792
nj, when you enter "61" directly when on the digital tuner, do you get a blue screen or a "Scrambled" message?
post #3857 of 4792
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Originally Posted by njperry View Post

Here's a question: what is SamsClub's return policy on these items? In store they said 90 days, I called and got someone who said it depends on manager approval, so I asked to speak with someone in electronics. That person said there is no limit to when except on computers, as long as I have the receipt and everything. So what is the real story? (Sorry, I am usually a Costco customer, although I still don't know for sure what their new return policy would mean for DVD recorders.)

I do not have any inside information, but I would not count on anything other than the posted policy. The managers do have a lot of flexibility. The final decision will vary depending on the manager and the customer. A regular business customer who spends a lot in the store on business supplies is going to get known by the managers, and will get preferred customer treatment. Anyone who gets a reputation for bringing things back without a good reason, especially products that need to be marked down when they have been opened, should expect to be held to the letter of the posted policy.
post #3858 of 4792
A little more feedback and a couple questions.

A) When I got back from my 3 1/2 week trip, I had 36 shows recorded, and after 3 weeks back, I have 39, even though I delete everything I've watched. I like having a cushion, but I would like to catch up some. Part of the reason is that I have a tv in the bedroom, bathroom, office, living room, basement room, laundry room, and kitchen. All of them were fed by the VCR, but the link between the bathroom and the office is broken now, and I spend a lot of time in the office now, and can't watch the DVDR. (I watch broadcast tv or listen to the radio or webradio.) Once I fix that link, I'll probably catch up.

The 9" bathroom tv broke, the sound went bad, but I got a 12" color tv at a yard sale for a dollar. It works well. Maybe they were dumping it early to avoid the February rush. I bought a set-top box with the 40 dollar coupon, but I'm primairly relying on this DVDR to solve my digital needs.

I sleep next to the DVDR. I tried playing off the harddrive while recording to the hard drive and a hand came out of the box and tried to strangle me. So I'm not sure that feature works

I've switched to watching and recording off the analog stations. The programs I recorded while gone often have interruptions, silence and a blue screen, for a second or 5. So far I don't think I've missed anything important, but I don't like missing anything, and I"ve never cared much about picture quality.

BUT, I hope the reason I'm having this interruptions is A) that my amplified antenna seems not to be working and i've disconnnected it and I'm using a 5 foot piece of single strand wire stretched out lying on the floor of the bedroom (where the DVDR is). This is usually enough obviously, and works better than when I had one end elevated 6 feet.
B) that the digital signals are still coming in at reduced power. I don't want to try calling all 13 stations to ask them if they are on reduced power, partly because there are 13 and partly becaues I think it will be hard to find someone who knows the answer and knows how reduced they are.

So I'm asking you guys, How much is the power reduced for most stations these days, and this is not going to change before Feb 2009, right?
post #3859 of 4792
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Originally Posted by MMikeM View Post

I sleep next to the DVDR. I tried playing off the harddrive while recording to the hard drive and a hand came out of the box and tried to strangle me. So I'm not sure that feature works.

Not sure what happened there cuz there should be NO problem playing something from the HDD while it's recording. In fact, you can play the thing that's recording if you want, as well as any other title on the HDD, or even a movie on DVD???

Did you go to the Title menu to select the other already recorded title to play while it was recording something else?

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Originally Posted by MMikeM View Post

BUT, I hope the reason I'm having this interruptions is A) that my amplified antenna seems not to be working and i've disconnnected it and I'm using a 5 foot piece of single strand wire stretched out lying on the floor of the bedroom (where the DVDR is). This is usually enough obviously, and works better than when I had one end elevated 6 feet.

Are you really saying you're using a strand of wire as an antenna???
post #3860 of 4792
I've had my Philips for about a year now, very happy with it. Then I was just reading the instruction booklet about playing DIVX. I thought to myself, what is DIVX? After investigating on the net, I realized that they are .avi files you download from the internet! DUH!
So I just dragged some .avi movies I had on my computer and burned a dvd. After inserting into the Philips, they showed up on a menu, and played with no problems! What a great feature!
So far every TV/Movie I could play on my PC, worked on the Philips. And if you put TV shows in an order like S1E1, S1E2, etc., it will play them in order without stopping!
Now I use DVD-RW's so I can erase them and re-use. You can get 5-7 movies on one dvd, or twice or more TV shows!
Anybody else uses the DIXV feature?

Laterzz
Glew
post #3861 of 4792
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Originally Posted by Glew View Post

I've had my Philips for about a year now, very happy with it. Then I was just reading the instruction booklet about playing DIVX. I thought to myself, what is DIVX? After investigating on the net, I realized that they are .avi files you download from the internet! DUH!
So I just dragged some .avi movies I had on my computer and burned a dvd. After inserting into the Philips, they showed up on a menu, and played with no problems! What a great feature!
So far every TV/Movie I could play on my PC, worked on the Philips. And if you put TV shows in an order like S1E1, S1E2, etc., it will play them in order without stopping!
Now I use DVD-RW's so I can erase them and re-use. You can get 5-7 movies on one dvd, or twice or more TV shows!
Anybody else uses the DIXV feature?

Laterzz
Glew

I love that it plays divx files. My wife was able to watch all of Season 1 of So You Think You Can Dance in less than a week and I am currently working my way through all past seasons of Stargate SG1. IT beats watching them on the small screen ofmy computer!
post #3862 of 4792
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Originally Posted by Glew View Post

I've had my Philips for about a year now, very happy with it. Then I was just reading the instruction booklet about playing DIVX. I thought to myself, what is DIVX? A... it will play them in order without stopping!
Now I use DVD-RW's so I can erase them and re-use. You can get 5-7 movies on one dvd, or twice or more TV shows!
Anybody else uses the DIXV feature?

Laterzz
Glew


Ha ha, Glew, welcome to the DivX world - it is really cool, huh? There is no other way to watch TV series disks. I can get about 12 shows on a DVD -certainly makes it nice. I am always surprised that not more people are into this. There are still quite a few, but mostly techies, it seems. Most people have never heard of DivX. Anyway, I love it.

Always glad to see someone else discover the fun!
post #3863 of 4792
Looks like these are on closeout, Walmart had three on a clearance shelf for $200
post #3864 of 4792
>Are you really saying you're using a strand of wire as an antenna???

Yeah. That's all you need to get stations in your own city, and often the stations from other cities. Rabbit ears are stiff so that you can more easily place them where you want them, or so they'll look pretty, but the stiffness doesn't help reception.

The wire should be roughly straight. If it's coiled, for example, the induced voltage from the radio waves in the air will be induced in one direction in part of the coil and the other direction in the opposite side of the coil, and one part will cancel the other. But if the wire zig zags, basically that doesn't matter.

I've been fixing tv's, not so many (I've maybe tried 200 total) and usually not for profit, on an organized basis for 35 years. When there were antenna screws on the back of tv's, one could be the antenna by touching one or both of the screws. With UHF even this wasn't necessary because the wire inside the tv from the UHF tuner to the back of the tv was long enough for the high frequencies of UHF channels

Screwing on a 3 foot wire, usually stranded, to one of the screws is usually enough to get all the channels. Using a 2 foot wire is usually too short for channel 2.

When they started having only coaxial connectors on the back, I switched to single strand wire because it's stiff enough to be forced into the hole to the point where it will be gripped by the connector. I've also gotten some small success with a piece of coaxial cable, but that's shielded so it doesn't work well (just like trying to listen to a radio while driving over a steel bridge that is above and below you.) The shielding isn't very effective when there is no F connector on the end and the braid isn't firmly connected to ground, but I think it still damages the signal somewhat.

You all understand that the only purpose of the outer braid is to protect the signal from interference, especially in long runs from the cable company to your house, or from your roof antenna to your tv, or even in the short run from the VCR to the TV. But it doesn't add to the signal**. All you need for the signal is the center wire or a similar wire.

**In fact a foot of coax has iirc greater loss than a foot of flat antenna wire, and flat wire can be set up to reject interference by rotating the wire on its axis every couple feet. But for one reason or another, they push coaxial for everything now.

Among many other places to get it, you can take 4-conductor phone wire and use one of the 4 wires inside for the antenna.
post #3865 of 4792
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Originally Posted by kb7oeb View Post

Looks like these are on closeout, Walmart had three on a clearance shelf for $200


Is that the 3575 or the 3576?
post #3866 of 4792
The 3575.
post #3867 of 4792
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Originally Posted by kb7oeb View Post

Looks like these are on closeout, Walmart had three on a clearance shelf for $200

This was posted on fatwallet last night:

Philips DVDR3576H (160 GB) DVD Recorder $167.88 @ Walmart Clearance YMMV
Found this a few days ago at Wal-Mart here in Utah for 167.88 (normally 299.99). They had 5 of them and my brother found a bunch of Georgia. YMMV but at least we found them in two opposite sides of the country!
post #3868 of 4792
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Originally Posted by juniorbill View Post

This was posted on fatwallet last night:

Philips DVDR3576H (160 GB) DVD Recorder $167.88 @ Walmart Clearance YMMV
Found this a few days ago at Wal-Mart here in Utah for 167.88 (normally 299.99). They had 5 of them and my brother found a bunch of Georgia. YMMV but at least we found them in two opposite sides of the country!

Will walmart price match from one store to another? they are still ripping ppl off here for $318.00.
post #3869 of 4792
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Originally Posted by MJinNC View Post

Will walmart price match from one store to another? they are still ripping ppl off here for $318.00.

My elect. mgr says they don't price-match other WM stores when I asked if he would sell the three he had for the same $100 as other stores (I'd take them all), but he did say "their policy" was to mark items down on Mondays and I should check with him then.
post #3870 of 4792
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

My elect. mgr says they don't price-match other WM stores when I asked if he would sell the three he had for the same $100 as other stores (I'd take them all), but he did say "their policy" was to mark items down on Mondays and I should check with him then.

thanks for the reply. They told me here to check again next month Cmon mark them down already. When I was a dept mgr at walmart, clearance didnt hang around long in my departments.
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