Philips DVDR3575H/37 160G HDD DVD Recorder w/ ATSC tuner - Page 159  

Thanks No.
My DVD+RW disks are Verbatim 4x, by most rated the best. However, all have been reused a lot and I only have 2 empty - both bombed on the 3575 but work fine when my PC uses them.

My DVD-R are Taiyo Yuden 8x plain lacquer, The best. I'll do another hard reset and try a -R disk and see what happens. More to come

Tried a Taiyo Yuden 8x DVD-R... for the dub HDD->DVD-R.

As before, it made it through the first pass and and it quit on the second pass with the "Cannot record to this disc" error message with E 22 in the LR corner.

What now?

TIA

noend7

Just to be sure we are on the same page, have you tried dubbing different programs to the DVD from the HDD? I have had 2 or 3 E22 errors, and the problem was always with the program on the HDD. When I tried to play it, it would stall at some point in the program, even though it had been OK at one time. I believe that all my troubles were traceable to the use of "Title Spit" and the eventual corruption it created.

The fact that your error number changed after the hard reset would make this seem less likely to be the issue, but I just thought it was worth asking.

Why not... I'll try a couple of alternate titles

How full is the HDD? Don't own a 3575, but with the Panasonic hdd models, if there's too much recorded to the frive, with little free space left, it can cause dubbing and finalizing errors.

No harm in trying. I'll try several different HDD programs and see what happens.


OK, this is getting curiouser and curiouser!

I have two machines, a 3575 and a 2160W9A. The problem I raised have been with the 3575. So...

1. I tried dubbing two HDD programs that I'd not tried before to a TY DVD-R on the 3575. It worked flawlessly! So I'm now re-watching the HDD titles I'd previously tried to dub unsuccessfully on that machine to see if there are any visible "dings".

2. I tried one of the "bad" Verbatim DVD+RWs in the 2160. Erase/formatted it on on L3. Tried dubbing two HDD titles to it. It bombed with a "Cannot record..." error. BUT, there was a disk menu written to the rejected disc, with the first of the two titles in playable condition! Seems bizarre.

Both results seem totally counter-intuitive. But I'm sure no expert yet.

Suggestions?

TIA

noend7

Did you turn Recording > Make Recording Compatible ON in the 2160 (and the 3576 while you're at it)? That way, discs created in one can be used in the other as described in the link below.

See Option 1 here.

wajo

That's not an issue. I'm just trying to dub titles off the 3575 HDD. No cross machine dubbing involved. That exercise just "proved" that my DVD+RW won't work on either one.

And Westley-C... There's only 7 hrs of SPP material on my 3575 HDD so I don't think that's an issue. Thanks

wajo

I think I figured it out.

The two titles on the 3575 HDD I was trying to dub to DVD were Unprotected. I protected them and was able to dub successfully to a DVD-R. Not sure why it made a difference

It shouldn't have.

Yes, I know it shouldn't, but it's the only change I made, and the dub worked. Maybe it was just another Super Bowl miracle. Who knows

noend7

wajo

I think I've solved my 3575 Dub to DVD problem. Thanks to your suggestions!

It was in reality two different problems.

First... One title on the HDD has some kind of glitch - although it plays fine from the HDD - and the machine bombs when it tries to actually write it to any valid disk. It generates the "Cannot record to this disc" error every time, no matter the type of disc, usually on the second pass of the attempted dub.

Second... Two of my Verbatim DVD+RW discs had apparently hit their capacity in the OPC area and the 3575 could not write to them without generating an error. They've been retired to use just on the computer, which seems to be fine with them.

But... I have successfully dubbed all the titles on the HDD to both Taiyo Yuden DVD-R and "fresher", but still much used, Verbatim DVD+RW discs. Problem solved.

Much thanks for your help!

noend7

I've had this problem a few times too, after editing commercials out of a lot of titles before high speed dubbing. So protecting the title allowed you to do a high speed dub this title with the glitch to DVD? Did you check the problem spot and see if it was OK?

Whenever I have had this issue, I always needed to carefully edit out the spot where the glitch was in order to do a high speed dub (but I never tried protecting the title). The only way I was able to dub a problem title to DVD without editing out the glitch was in real time mode, in which case the video would freeze for around 5-6 minutes in the problem area.

I recently have experienced macroblocking with the network channels (4.1, 7.1, 9.1) on my Philips 3575. I have the main cable running directly into the unit and another cable from the pass-thru to the TV. Pass-thru reception works fine. But while watching via the tuner I get a breakup in the picture and momentary sound loss every few minutes.

Does this mean the tuner is toast?

I can't seem to dub a DVD+RW to the HDD (dubbing is grayed out). Am I doing something wrong or is this just not supported?

If the DVD is Finalized or a +RW, the Dubbing menu can't be used... have to use D.Dubbing, as described in this help file.

For a list of all the help files, click #1 in my signature.

I tried it both ways (dubbing menu and D.Dubbing) and it won't work. DVD+R works fine. The RW was not recorded in the unit, it was recorded in my computer as a DVD-Video.

So, when you start the +RW playing, then press D.Dub button, nothing happens... no indication the playing title is being copied to the HDD?

The screen displays a red circle with a line through it.

It apparently doesn't like the computer-generated disc or it has some formatting that acts like copy-protections (?). I guess you'd have to set up a separate player with line connections between the two, then play/record like copying a tape.

I just tried a different authoring program, same results. Can you confirm that non-VR RW discs are supported in dubbing to HDD?

Yes, I do it all the time, but from discs created in my Philips, Magnavox or Pioneer recorders.

The discs created in the recorder are in DVD+VR format. So, I just recorded it in that format in my PC and now it works.

Outstanding!

If you ever need more info on your 3575, click #1 in my signature for a list of the many help files available. That thread is now the main one for people with the Philips 357x or Magnavox 2080 or 2160 machines.

I've had my Philips DVDR3575H for over a year. It's been working fine, as always. I've begun the rather large project of transferring stuff I'd recorded to VCR tapes over the years to DVD now, recording them first to the HD then, after editing, to DVD (just as I do with newly recorded programs).

Things had been going fine until this morning when I got an error message during the finalizing process. I thought maybe it was the disc, but when I tried to start the dubbing process over again on a new disc, it gave me another error message about not being able to record to that disc either. I finally had to give up and get ready for work.

Well, when I got home I tried to finalize the original disc again. No luck. Error message again. So, I tried dubbing the shows to a new disc again. This time it went through the entire dubbing process fine. It allowed me to change the title menu pictures on the DVD fine. It allowed me to change the disc title fine (all steps I usually take in preparing a disc). I told it to finalize. Error message again (aargh). This time, I wrote down the error message:

"Recording error
Can not record on this disc.
E 9 28040901"

Anyone know what the problem might be? Again, it's been working fine up to this point. I was dubbing stuff to discs right up to the night before (and with the very same new batch of discs).

Thanks,
David Y.

Well, this *may* turn out to be a case of, "Never mind." Fourth time trying (fourth new, blank disc), it finished the finalizing process. The only thing I did different was take the blank disc off the bottom of the stack this time. So perhaps there were a few bad discs in a row? Does that sound plausible? I'm still not sure why it would let be dub the programs to the disc, change the disc title, etc. and only hit a snag when I was finalizing, though.

I'll keep at it and will report back should the problem arise again. (I *really* don't want to have to buy a new DVR right now. My fear was/is that the DVD drive might be going bad on me.)

David Y.

Could be many things, easiest answer is you can't begin a Finalize if there's a timer rec program due to start within the next 60 minutes.

Another could be a HDD that's too full or fragmented.

Hi. Thanks for the reply. I really don't think that it's either of those issues, though. I'm aware of the not-being-able-to-finalize-when-there-is-a-timer-setting-in-less-than-an-hour issue. I've run into that before but in that situation it doesn't allow you to even *start* the finalizing process. (I use the momentarily changing the timer setting just long enough to finish the finalizing, then switching it back trick when that happens.) In this case, it would start the finalizing (the little progress bar would start to fill out on the bottom of the screen, from left to right as usual), only to suddenly interrupt the process with that error message I copied and posted here.

As for the HDD being too full, it's only half full at the moment. I've finalized over a hundred discs so far, most of them with far less empty HDD space at the time.

As for the HDD being too fragmented, I guess that's a possibility. Isn't deleting the programs from newest to oldest the only way to unfragment the drive, though? At least, I recall reading that somewhere. And I'm not sure I see how a fragmented drive could interfere with finalizing DVDs. (Could you please elaborate?)

Again, if the problem continues (turns out not to be bad DVDs), could it be a sign that the DVD drive is starting to fail? If so, would it only show in the finalizing like this? What signs does the unit give you that drive is wearing out (if anyone has had it happen to them)?

Thanks!

David Y.

AFAIK, no one has worn out a DVD drive in a Philips 357x or Mag 2080/2160.

E9 is an error indicating some special data is missing... "NV_PCK/RDI_PCK is not in encoded data" whatever that means.

Do you use 16X discs exclusively, or do you have some slower-speed discs you can try, even if RW?

JFTHOI< you could check your machine's DVD usage data:
Press SKIP 321 buttons on remote (all within 3 sec), which brings up a screen with DVD-WR/-RD times (hrs:min). Exit with Back button.

"AFAIK, no one has worn out a DVD drive in a Philips 357x or Mag 2080/2160."

Okay. That makes me feel a bit better.

"E9 is an error indicating some special data is missing... "NV_PCK/RDI_PCK is not in encoded data" whatever that means."

I'd occasionally also get an "E 22" error message, which I believe is another disc (DVD) reading error. Or, at least, I think I read that somewhere online. Maybe (hopefully) it was indeed just a few bad DVDs. I've never come across three bad ones in a row before though. (I think I've had it happen maybe *twice* before in the entire year plus that I've been using the DVR, and one of those times I later figured out it wasn't the disc at all but the thing about not being able to finalize with less than an hour before a timed program beginning.)

"Do you use 16X discs exclusively, or do you have some slower-speed discs you can try, even if RW?"

I'm at work so I can't check which kind of discs that I've been using. Just the standard DVD-R, I think. I can't remember the speed, but I presume 16X like you say. I buy them usually in the 50 or 100 spindle packs and, like I said, have never really had any problems with them. I dub everything to them at SP (high speed dub) and the picture quality is fine (a bit less so on the stuff that I'm transferring from VHS, of course). All I have is the most recent 100 pack that I bought. I'd recently run out and gone out and bought a new pack. (I don't think that I have any RW DVDs.)

"JFTHOI< you could check your machine's DVD usage data:
Press SKIP 321 buttons on remote (all within 3 sec), which brings up a screen with DVD-WR/-RD times (hrs:min). Exit with Back button."

Okay. Thanks. I'll try that some time.

I left the machine dubbing to another disc when I left for work this morning. Hopefully I won't have any problems editing and finalizing the disc when I get back home tonight.

David Y.