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post #961 of 4792
7/5/07 at 9:20pm
I just did the same and came up with the same thing finally in the manual. One touch only after it's been finalized, probably to keep the grabbing of full movies from happening.
It's kinda like the old Panny I have only dubbing to HD from a RAM disk. Well that's not a huge thing, most units don't allow it at all.
I'd like a quality unit that could do CD recording as well, would be handy for doing all my old vinyl to cd's.
LiteOn made one but all their units were so dodgy it's hard think of it plus the HD equipped version has been outa production for a year or so now.
I have the non HD version just for that feature, haven't really played with it yet.

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post #962 of 4792
7/5/07 at 9:27pm
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Originally Posted by Mike99 View Post

I had extended basic (no STB), until Comcast moved the Sci-Fi channel from analog to digital. I watch a couple Sci-Fi programs and decided to get their digital pkg which includes their digital STB. After a while I got tired of the price increases for both digital & basic and returned the STB a few months ago & went back to basic. I figured Sci-Fi was not worth $12/month.

Sci-Fi started as analog. Comcast said they moved it to digital in order to make room for other channels (why not put the new channels on digital?). Problem is they also encrypted it. My TV has a QAM tuner, but I still needed a digital STB at $12/month in order to watch what I used to get included with basic. I don't have a problem with digital, but what if Comcast starts encrypting more of the popular channels. Then you would need the extra cost digital STB in order to watch what you used to get with basic. The QAM tuner starts to loose its value. What's to stop Comcast from encrypting most or all channels? I sometimes watch the Hallmark channel & that is being moved to digital. I don't know if it will be encrypted, but if it is I'm guessing it's going to cost some families $12/month in order to keep watching it.
A QAM tuner is a must have for my next recorder. However if Comcast starts encrypting most of what I watch I may just drop cable and go with OTA. Besides paying extra for the STB, it defeats the purpose of having a cable ready TV (and recorder) in the first place. Right now my cable ready equipment is being used as intended. No STB, no IR Blaster.

I'm following this Philips thread as it seems the best ATSC/QAM with HDD so far. I'm hoping to see a fix for the missing channel problem that some are experiencing.

Well they always say it's to offer customers better value by not forcing them to pay extra for unwanted channels, but it really means, "OH they like this channel, let's move it to a extra pay tier then claim they save money by not paying extra if they don't want it" They called me years ago to do a poll of the channels I liked, even would I pay extra to get them...Later they took several and moved them up so I didn't get them anymore because the poll proved most folks would pay extra to keep getting whatever it was.
The more they restrict things the more they make people want to hack and cheat
post #963 of 4792
7/5/07 at 10:46pm
It would be nice to start seeing smart card slotted dvd recorders to allow for digital copying of digital channels that you subscribe to. That would save the extra cost of having to rent a set-top box to see your digital line-up. They already make smart card slotted televisions. It wouldn't be too hard to integrate this technology into a recorder. The only obstacles I would think of is the cable companies trying to block such action by manufacturers to keep extra rental money in their pockets in order to have customers rent their DVRs and set-top boxes. Also, I guess the movie companies wouldn't like you being able to make a direct digital copy dvds of movies shown on the movie channels.
post #964 of 4792
7/6/07 at 6:42am
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Originally Posted by webteck View Post

I have been reading the Pioneer 640H forums and wonder if I made the right decision on buying the Phillips 3575. Pioneer came out with a firmware upgrade that meets my needs with the 3575 concerning Timer Titles. Phillips took away the ability to sort titles by name, time or date. That was a feature I really liked about the 3455. Also I am having problems burning to + & - disks. +RW is ok and -RW is ok. But keep getting errors on others. Using Sony disks. Have used Memorex and Maxell. Same problem on both.The 3575 is only a week old and no worthwhile FW's yet to fix channel problems (as mentioned by others) or any thing else. Having second thoughts about keeping 3575. Any encouragement from the group?

Tommy

My personal opinion only -- I would never keep a unit while depending on a yet-to-appear firmware fix from the vendor to correct issues I find lacking or unacceptable. If that fix did not appear by the time my return window expired, I would return it and keep my money in my pocket until I had confirmation that the vendor has resolved my issues and is selling a product I actually want to buy. Especially since these are gen-1 units.

Who knows, someone else may release your dream-machine beforehand.
post #965 of 4792
7/6/07 at 7:02am
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Originally Posted by Dartman View Post

They called me years ago to do a poll of the channels I liked, even would I pay extra to get them...Later they took several and moved them up so I didn't get them anymore because the poll proved most folks would pay extra to keep getting whatever it was.
The more they restrict things the more they make people want to hack and cheat

The next time they poll you, tell them you live for the shopping channels and would pay whatever the price to have them.
post #966 of 4792
7/6/07 at 7:05am
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Originally Posted by lilyarbie View Post

It would be nice to start seeing smart card slotted dvd recorders to allow for digital copying of digital channels that you subscribe to. That would save the extra cost of having to rent a set-top box to see your digital line-up. They already make smart card slotted televisions. It wouldn't be too hard to integrate this technology into a recorder. The only obstacles I would think of is the cable companies trying to block such action by manufacturers to keep extra rental money in their pockets in order to have customers rent their DVRs and set-top boxes. Also, I guess the movie companies wouldn't like you being able to make a direct digital copy dvds of movies shown on the movie channels.

The unanswered question will be, how much will they charge to rent you a cable card.
post #967 of 4792
7/6/07 at 7:06am
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Originally Posted by Mike99 View Post

What's to stop Comcast from encrypting most or all channels? I sometimes watch the Hallmark channel & that is being moved to digital. I don't know if it will be encrypted, but if it is I'm guessing it's going to cost some families $12/month in order to keep watching it.

You can bet it will be encrypted along with everything above the locals - that's the trend with the cable cos - look at the FIOS lineup to see where everyone else is heading. Until units with some sort de-encryption hardware built-in arrive (years away) a plain QAM tuner is the thing to have. The STB fee is still a minor charge compared to the bigger savings of going from the "normal" tier to the lowest (locals only). In most places that is going from about $50+ to about $15. Sure, going OTA would eliminate all fees, but many folks don't want to bother with an antenna.
post #968 of 4792
7/6/07 at 8:36am
Cable cards really aren't all that expensive with my cable company. They're only about half the rental price of an HD set-top box.
post #969 of 4792
7/6/07 at 9:10am
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Originally Posted by lilyarbie View Post

Cable cards really aren't all that expensive with my cable company. They're only about half the rental price of an HD set-top box.

You know, I've never seen a cable card. Is it just a small circuit board that plugs into a slot, like a flash card?

There have been recent posts about an FCC mandate to the cable co's in July to allow subscribers to buy their own 3rd party STBs to avoid paying monthly fees and plug cable cards into them. If the cable co still gets half the rental price of an STB for a cable card -- that market is dead before it even gets started.
post #970 of 4792
7/6/07 at 10:53am
Hi all,

I've been following this forum, and have also been having the QAM channel drop problem. I'm very encouraged that it's not just me, and that a firmware update is coming that will solve the issue. I'm just amazed that it got by their QC unnoticed...

How has people's mileage been with turning DST and Auto Time off? Has that solved their QAM channel drop issues?

For the record, I have Comcast analog cable, a 42" EDTV running through component cables, and a sound system hooked up through the TV's audio out. I have already updated the unit's firmware with the latest.

Does anyone have a beta FW from tech support that they would like to share? :-)
post #971 of 4792
7/6/07 at 10:58am
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

There have been recent posts about an FCC mandate to the cable co's in July to allow subscribers to buy their own 3rd party STBs to avoid paying monthly fees and plug cable cards into them. If the cable co still gets half the rental price of an STB for a cable card -- that market is dead before it even gets started.

The article in the link I provided says just that.
post #972 of 4792
7/6/07 at 11:04am
I haven't yet begun to look into digital from ComCast. I'm still satisfied with the analog basic package. The TV Guide is on channel 8 and we used it exclusively - too cheap to subscribe to the magazine, and the Sunday paper supplement isn't too good. So. A month or two ago, I turned to channel 8 and found myself watching a baseball game. A fluke? Nope, it is now usually that whenever prime time shows are on. I called customer service and they told me that it is their way of pushing people to digital and that I should subscribe to TV Guide if I wanted a dependable guide. After a few harsh words, I hung up. I just love losing what I've paid for, and getting charged more with raised prices once or twice a year.
post #973 of 4792
7/6/07 at 11:24am
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Originally Posted by jmmyz14 View Post

Hi all,

I've been following this forum, and have also been having the QAM channel drop problem. I'm very encouraged that it's not just me, and that a firmware update is coming that will solve the issue. I'm just amazed that it got by their QC unnoticed...

How has people's mileage been with turning DST and Auto Time off? Has that solved their QAM channel drop issues?

For the record, I have Comcast analog cable, a 42" EDTV running through component cables, and a sound system hooked up through the TV's audio out. I have already updated the unit's firmware with the latest.

Does anyone have a beta FW from tech support that they would like to share? :-)

I've tried just about every clock...and any other...setting to see if the channel loss is due to any other setting. I did notice that every time I rescanned channels, just to try that, the clock got reset to factory settings...but then the clock setting makes no diff.

I have two 3575's. One is a replacement Philips sent me and it has no channel issues. I decided to keep it and my original unit which does lose dig. channels. I can always get them back by toggling to analog then back to digital tuners. It also never fails to timer rec. a digital channel or display one on startup.

Philips made the 3575 clock DST settable for the old and the new DST timing.

You can always try your unit with manual clock and DST Off...that's the way I'm running my units now...and see if it has any effect on your unit.
post #974 of 4792
7/6/07 at 12:19pm
Cable Cards are probably close to the size of one of those smart cards that you see in DirecTV/Dish Network receivers for channel access. The only difference I notice is that it is a little bit fatter. I imagine it uses the same sort of technology except that it probably also has a flashable bios and memory on-board as well.
post #975 of 4792
7/6/07 at 12:22pm
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Originally Posted by biker19 View Post

You can bet it will be encrypted along with everything above the locals - that's the trend with the cable cos - look at the FIOS lineup to see where everyone else is heading. Until units with some sort de-encryption hardware built-in arrive (years away) a plain QAM tuner is the thing to have. The STB fee is still a minor charge compared to the bigger savings of going from the "normal" tier to the lowest (locals only). In most places that is going from about $50+ to about $15. Sure, going OTA would eliminate all fees, but many folks don't want to bother with an antenna.


Unless you have a metal roof, an attic antenna is less hassel than cable. There is no maintenance. It never gets blown down or turned by the wind. It also doesn't quit working for days at a time and make me miss a half day at work to get it working again. It doesn't put me on hold and then tell me that it's working just fine, it must be my TV. It also doesn't keep raising it's price.

The antenna is no bother at all.


Do I sound bitter? Not since I dumped cable!
post #976 of 4792
7/6/07 at 12:45pm
My first DVD recorder, and never had a DVR from the cable company. I know some units will record 2 different events at the same time. I'm just getting this Philips DVDR3575H set up. I don't see anywhere in the manual where it says you can record 2 events at once. The only thing I can find is a mention of "overlap" and that seems to imply one event will override the other during the overlap period.

I'll test it this evening, but if it's already known that it can't record 2 events at once, please save me a wasted exercise
post #977 of 4792
7/6/07 at 12:58pm
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Originally Posted by ViziG View Post

My first DVD recorder, and never had a DVR from the cable company. I know some units will record 2 different events at the same time. I'm just getting this Philips DVDR3575H set up. I don't see anywhere in the manual where it says you can record 2 events at once. The only thing I can find is a mention of "overlap" and that seems to imply one event will override the other during the overlap period.

I'll test it this evening, but if it's already known that it can't record 2 events at once, please save me a wasted exercise

Save your time, It can't record 2 separate shows at once. That would require 2 tuners which it doesn't have,

Tommy
post #978 of 4792
7/6/07 at 1:02pm
Thanks for the quick reply !
post #979 of 4792
7/6/07 at 1:42pm
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Originally Posted by biker19 View Post

You can bet it will be encrypted along with everything above the locals - that's the trend with the cable cos - look at the FIOS lineup to see where everyone else is heading. Until units with some sort de-encryption hardware built-in arrive (years away) a plain QAM tuner is the thing to have. The STB fee is still a minor charge compared to the bigger savings of going from the "normal" tier to the lowest (locals only). In most places that is going from about $50+ to about $15. Sure, going OTA would eliminate all fees, but many folks don't want to bother with an antenna.

A Tivo Series 3 has two slots for cable cards that will decode encrypted channels. It has two slots because the unit has two tuners. There are also inputs for both cable and an OTA antenna. So it's not "years away". Of course, at $650 or so for the box and $299 for a 3 year contract it's not cheap either.
post #980 of 4792
7/6/07 at 1:58pm
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Originally Posted by dangerdoc1 View Post

Unless you have a metal roof, an attic antenna is less hassel than cable. There is no maintenance. It never gets blown down or turned by the wind. It also doesn't quit working for days at a time and make me miss a half day at work to get it working again. It doesn't put me on hold and then tell me that it's working just fine, it must be my TV. It also doesn't keep raising it's price.

The antenna is no bother at all.


Do I sound bitter? Not since I dumped cable!

Well said! I have an outdoor antenna instead of attic mounted, though. In the attic I'd lose a PBS station about 30 miles away that my rooftop antenna can pick up with not a lot of signal to spare.
post #981 of 4792
7/6/07 at 3:53pm
Has anyone managed to get the 3575 to successfully play any recorded DL discs? It won't play any of the Verbatim or Memorex DVD+R DL discs that I've tried. My other DVD players have mixed success with playing these, better with Verbatim than Memorex, but I'm disappointed that the 3575 can't play any of them.
post #982 of 4792
7/6/07 at 4:05pm
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Originally Posted by amesdp View Post

Has anyone managed to get the 3575 to successfully play any recorded DL discs? It won't play any of the Verbatim or Memorex DVD+R DL discs that I've tried. My other DVD players have mixed success with playing these, better with Verbatim than Memorex, but I'm disappointed that the 3575 can't play any of them.

It's supposed to play +R DL discs. One thing to try is see if the 3575 will give you access to the "Disc Edit" menu with one of your DLs. If it does, see if the menu selections in that menu include "Finalize" or "Undo Finalize." If that works, at least you can see whether the 3575 is seeing it as a finalized disc or not?
post #983 of 4792
7/6/07 at 4:13pm
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Originally Posted by wabjxo View Post

It's supposed to play +R DL discs. One thing to try is see if the 3575 will give you access to the "Disc Edit" menu with one of your DLs. If it does, see if the menu selections in that menu include "Finalize" or "Undo Finalize." If that works, at least you can see whether the 3575 is seeing it as a finalized disc or not?

Since the 3575 does not record DL discs, I doubt that will work...
post #984 of 4792
7/6/07 at 5:41pm
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Originally Posted by biker19 View Post

The article in the link I provided says just that.

Yours was the post I was thinking of, I just couldn't remember whose it was.
post #985 of 4792
7/6/07 at 5:50pm
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Originally Posted by otaguy View Post

A Tivo Series 3 has two slots for cable cards that will decode encrypted channels. It has two slots because the unit has two tuners. There are also inputs for both cable and an OTA antenna. So it's not "years away". Of course, at $650 or so for the box and $299 for a 3 year contract it's not cheap either.

For that kind of cost, plus the cost of renting a pair of cable cards to enable it, how can anyone justify a TiVo vs. renting a cableco DVR?

How does TiVo stay in business?
post #986 of 4792
7/6/07 at 5:57pm
I have been following this thread for a few months and finally was able to find a 3575 at Wally World last week and purchased it. I have not had the QAM channel drop problem but I have only had it for a week and a half. Now that is not a long time but it did not do it form the start like some of the other members. I have basic cable with no digital subscription but I get several digital channels including some premium channels (showtime, hbo, on demand, ect) that are unreliable. Sometime they (the premium channels) are on sometime they are not, but the tuner does remember the channels and I can find them with the channel up or down. My TV also has a ATSC tuner that will tune all the digital channels and the premium digital channels as well. I have the 3575 connected to the TV via a hdmi cable and the basic RF cable. I can switch between 480P, 720P, 720I, and 1080I. My tv is a Magnavox 42MF231D/17. The 3575 has the DST on and the clock setting to Auto. I have gone in and added and deleated both analog and digital channels with no effects on the other channels. I don't know when the unit was built the box has a PACK DATE CODE of 16 APRIL 2007, and my firmware version is BE Version: HD4P3374CH1E and FE Version : R40_014_001. I hope this helps.
post #987 of 4792
7/6/07 at 6:40pm
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

For that kind of cost, plus the cost of renting a pair of cable cards to enable it, how can anyone justify a TiVo vs. renting a cableco DVR?

How does TiVo stay in business?

Some people really really like the TIVO interface, the program guide, the dual tuners enabling recording of two programs at the same time, and the fact that it wil record in high def (unlike all the non-subscription ATSC recorders that have come out this year). But TIVO is very expensive. So there's your tradeoff.
post #988 of 4792
7/6/07 at 10:28pm
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Originally Posted by m82a1pa View Post

I haven't yet begun to look into digital from ComCast. I'm still satisfied with the analog basic package. The TV Guide is on channel 8 and we used it exclusively - too cheap to subscribe to the magazine, and the Sunday paper supplement isn't too good. So. A month or two ago, I turned to channel 8 and found myself watching a baseball game. A fluke? Nope, it is now usually that whenever prime time shows are on. I called customer service and they told me that it is their way of pushing people to digital and that I should subscribe to TV Guide if I wanted a dependable guide. After a few harsh words, I hung up. I just love losing what I've paid for, and getting charged more with raised prices once or twice a year.


I usually use the Comcast online listings from their web site. Hopefully the following link will get you there. Enter your zip code and choose analog or digital.
http://tvplanner.comcast.net
It is usually accurate and I presume the same info as you would get if you had their STB with guide. Only once did I find it wrong (and TV Titan correct).
post #989 of 4792
7/7/07 at 3:59am
It seems that there are differences between units, not just the inconsistent channel drop.

The manual says it loses scheduled programs with a power loss, but I had a short one yesterday and all my scheduled programs were still there and recorded on time. What may happen is it will not record after a short power failure unless you start the unit again before the scheduled program. I found this to be true with my Polo 2000G. After a power failure, it would not record scheduled programs even though they were still on the schedule and the time was still correct. Just start the unit and stop it and all was fine. The time was still correct on both.

I do not have any changes with time setting after re-scanning channels or any other action, even a momentary power failure. They stay the same and do not revert to default.

The harmony default setting for this unit are fine for some basic functions, but I did have to teach it many actions that were in the database but would not work, like HDD and DVD.
post #990 of 4792
7/7/07 at 5:33am
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Originally Posted by amesdp View Post

Has anyone managed to get the 3575 to successfully play any recorded DL discs? It won't play any of the Verbatim or Memorex DVD+R DL discs that I've tried. My other DVD players have mixed success with playing these, better with Verbatim than Memorex, but I'm disappointed that the 3575 can't play any of them.

I have tested two DL discs on my Philips 3575, both of which were recorded on my Pioneer 640.

Verbatim DVD+R DL, Media ID: MKM 003
PlayO DVD+R DL, Media ID: RICOHJPND00

They both played on my Philips 3575. The Verbatim had 3:25.00 worth of content, and the PlayO had 2:39.00.
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