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post #301 of 440
first "Panny slayer" now "Jesus" I don't know what to say
Seriously I don't know why everyone who is actually using there machine for scheduled recordings are not having the same problems I am......if this was my first DVDR I can say that I would probably never think of buying one again thats for sure. Note there is NO warning when the machine is going to u99. It's working great one day, and the next u99.
I feel somewhat bad that I may have recommended you to buy a EZ-17, although I've always tried to post my problems and up until maybe unit #3 I thought possibly I could be getting defective units. That thought is out of my mind now(I think it's the design).
I've never had a issue of recording PQ, in fact that's the reason I'm still using it. Recording a W.S. HD program looks so much better than any of my other Panny's. Note it's not that the EZ records better, it's the source. I'm hoping to get the same great PQ using a digital converter box hooked up to one of my old "reliable" ES series Panasonics.
I truly wish you luck with yours, and if my problems keeps someone else from having a problem, well at least not everything was lost. Wake me up when the nightmare is over
Oh and if misery loves company it looks like at least one other poor guy is having almost as much problem with his EZ as I am. DrBrousters is on his 4th EZ!
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...3#post13267223
Reading that post made feel a little better anyway but probably not you sounds like he uses RAM's...
post #302 of 440
So what are you using right now in it's place - the 3575?
post #303 of 440
Actually no, that I gave to my father who is really enjoying it. I currently do not have a digital tuner DVDR and am really missing it. Oh sure I've got analog ones up the wazoo, but once I got used to the WS and almost HD like PQ of the EZ-17's it's really hard to go back to SD. I don't think I'll even waste time recording guilty pleasures like "Lipstick Jungle" since in SD it just doesn't have the WOW factor of being in WS and HD. For me sometimes just the PQ of the show will carry it through, when maybe the content alone would not.
I'm sure waiting with baited breath for the TR-50, if and when it becomes reality. That or maybe when a good converter box becomes available and hopefully I'll get similar PQ hooking it up to one of my older, more reliable ES series machines.
Wish me luck today. I can't imagine what the look on the mgr's face will be when he sees me back so soon.....and he actually had the balls to say, "maybe this one will last".........
post #304 of 440
I do all my TCM recording/viewing in my bedroom with two DMR-ES15 models enslaved to a Comcast digital cable box. One DMR-ES15 feeds component outputs to a Westinghouse 27" widescreen LCD HDTV. The other DMR-ES15 feeds composite outputs to a RCA 13" CRT TV. This TV is also set up with an antenna for OTA use.

In my home office (in the next room) I have a Dynex 19" widescreen LCD HDTV. This TV is on most of the time I am in this room. The Dynex is set up cable-ready (without a STB) on Comcast through the RF input. The Dynex is also enslaved through the Component inputs to the #1 DMR-EZ17 DVD recorder set cable-ready. The Dynex is also connected, through its composite input (through a Pelican System Selector PL970) to the #2 DMR-EZ17 set up OTA, a Panasonic analog DMR-ES35V set up cable-ready, and to the #1 DMR-EZ17 as well.

I expect my converter box coupons to arrive any time now. I hope that the product comparisons (found on other threads) will identify the best pass-through models that appear in the marketplace before my coupons expire.
post #305 of 440
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Originally Posted by hokiewolf View Post

Jeff, Not to be sacrilegious, but it's as though you're Jesus taking on all the sins of ALL the EZ17s.

Well it didn't have to go to 6 EZ units. After my tuner problems with unit #5 the store manager asked what I wanted to do. After we walked over to the pathetic display of current DVDR's, and he said they would not even be getting any more new EZ-17's in, I asked if a store credit would be possible? He agreed.
Yahoooooo! Christ has risen....the savior is alive.
Now, what to use my $250 credit for??? I was hoping to score a TR-50, but he said they are probably not going to carry it. He did say they will be carrying the TR-40, which I was happy about, except I hope to get mine free, with coupons.
I asked about "real" HD converter boxes and he said they hadn't carried any for probably a year, that all new TV's come with the tuner.
I suppose........I could wait for the EZ-28 from Panasonic. He said they will be carrying those. What do you think guys, should I give Panasonic another try? Do you think the EZ-28 will be radically different than the EZ-17,27. Or will it be just the same wolf, in different clothing?
If any of you are familiar with "good" "real" converter boxes that might have a programmable timer please post your responses to my thread in the HDTV Reception Hardware forum. I really want to get back to recording WS HD(lite) DVD's.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1002952
Thanks a lot guys, it's been a real trip..........glad to be off this boat!
post #306 of 440
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Originally Posted by DigaDo View Post


I expect my converter box coupons to arrive any time now. I hope that the product comparisons (found on other threads) will identify the best pass-through models that appear in the marketplace before my coupons expire.

DigaDo, I'm not positive about this, but according to someone on another thread the "coupon" converter boxes may not have WS output. If you were planning like me to tie one to one of your old analog Panny's and record glorious WS material, you and I may be mistaken.
Not sure how important WS is to you, but to me it's the whole purpose of the conversion. That and the better clarity of the recordings.
post #307 of 440
Jeff,

Widescreen is very important to me. Whenever I see "narrowscreen" pan-and-scan movies I can hardly stand to watch. I prefer to watch in a format as close to the original as possible.

Well, not always. Don't let this out, but I like to watch some of my early talkies through film noir era movies in the widescreen format on our widescreen TVs. Of course folks look as though they've gained a little weight but I can always slim them down with the TV's remote if need be.

Watching TV programming and news in HD or even recorded "down rezzed" to SD is fine with me. Of course, the prospect of DRM is lurking wherever digital transmission and tuning is in use. I am also confident that my analog Panasonics will continue to provide outstanding picture quality when recording from digital sources.

Widescreen is part of the government-approved converter box specification as the intent was to be able to watch the digital broadcast transmissions on analog TVs. Of course, 16X9 is the native method used in digital broadcast transmissions.

Here are the basic specifications for government-approved converter boxes:

http://www.ntia.doc.gov/dtvcoupon/DTVmanufacturers.pdf

Here are the final rules, and the criteria and reasoning behind the final rules, for the government approved-converter boxes:

http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/frn...nalRule_2e.htm
post #308 of 440
Yes but I'm thinking the WS they are talking about would be black bars on the top and bottom of the screen, not "full screen" 16x9.
It would make sense that the boxes not have true 16x9 output, since most everyone using the boxes will be displaying them on a 4x3 tv, and they would not want the sides being cropped off. I would prefer the "full screen" 16x9 output, but the more I think about it I doubt the boxes will have that feature.
post #309 of 440
Jeff,

Somewhere in converter box discussions (on this or another forum) I have read some comments concerning different implementations broadcast stations (and perhaps cable networks as well) have made or failed to make as they get "up-to-speed" with various technology. As I gather from the discussions 16x9 transmissions that natively feature boxes all around a widescreen image are transitional problems that occur when a broadcaster has not properly aligned their equipment or the source material does not contain or embed the correct signals to cause automated equipment to recognize the proper formatting. Once the dust settles and corrections are made the native format will fill the entire width of the screen with bars at the top and bottom.

Briefly, the government-approved converter box specifications call for:

"Equipment shall support 4:3 center cut-out of 16:9 transmitted image, letterbox output of 16:9 letterbox transmitted image, and a full or partially zoomed output of unknown transmitted image."

What this tells me is that these variations may be user chosen with the converter box remote, just as we may modify the screen display with the TV remote, or choose these preferences in the setup menu with a Panasonic DVD recorder or combo recorder.
post #310 of 440
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Originally Posted by DigaDo View Post

and a full or partially zoomed output of unknown transmitted image."

Yes this was the part I keep looking at. I don't really know what it means.
What I "want" it to mean would be a "full 16x9 output" not a 4x3 output with black bars on top and bottom, but again since I would think 98% of the people using these boxes will be displaying them on a 4x3 screen, I can't really believe they care much about the 2% that would want to display the boxes on a 16x9 tv, or record the full image to a DVD recorder. But only time will tell. Note on your second link(the one with the tiny print) it looked like Funia had a lot to do with the design of these new CECB's........that's not a good sign......if you know what I mean.
post #311 of 440
"a full or partially zoomed output of unknown transmitted image."

What I believe this means goes back to the "transitional problems" with broadcast station automated equipment. This would be analogous to the TV stations of old that had to be ready to put up a screen that read "We are experiencing technical difficulties, please stand by" for a local problem or "We are experiencing technical difficulties beyond our control, please stand by" for a network feed problem.
post #312 of 440
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Originally Posted by jjeff View Post

Yes but I'm thinking the WS they are talking about would be black bars on the top and bottom of the screen, not "full screen" 16x9.
It would make sense that the boxes not have true 16x9 output, since most everyone using the boxes will be displaying them on a 4x3 tv, and they would not want the sides being cropped off. I would prefer the "full screen" 16x9 output, but the more I think about it I doubt the boxes will have that feature.

I believe you have the correct interpretation here. These converter boxes are designed for 4:3 analog sets not widescreen HDTV's that do not have digital tuners (HDTV-ready boondoggle). The highest output allowed is S-video. I have read other articles on this that all seem to indicate the output will be either clipped 4:3 pan&scan or letterbox (user selectable) -- similar to the options a good DVD player gives you when you have it configured to output to a 4:3 TV. Similarly it may allow you other zoom options, but I think it safe to say it will not output an anamorphic frame. The intent of the coupon program is not to supply HD tuners for HD-ready TV's.

I believe the phrase "a full or partially zoomed output of unknown transmitted image" is to cover when a station broadasts a wide screen movie (i.e. LOTR) on full 2.3 aspect ratio. The converter box wil give you the option of how much you want to zoom in.
post #313 of 440
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Originally Posted by jjeff View Post

What do you think guys, should I give Panasonic another try?

Yes, but you should not buy it from that store. El Diablo lives under the floorboards of their DVDR section.
post #314 of 440
Jeff,

Many will purchase the new 2008 Panasonics. Then, as they start submitting customer reviews on Circuit City, Best Buys, Amazon, or post on this and other forums, we will find out "is it safe (yet)?" (TCM recently ran Marathon Man. I recorded it from their showing but I have not watched this movie in many years.)
post #315 of 440
I probably wouldn't buy it from that store, just in case you do have to return it again. They're really gonna look at you cross-eyed then.

Maybe if you could find it at another store with a good, "not having to deal with a saleperson" return policy.

Unless you really can't think of anything else there you'd ever want to use that credit on.
post #316 of 440
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Originally Posted by DigaDo View Post

In my home office (in the next room) I have a Dynex 19" widescreen LCD HDTV.

Yeah, I got me one of those little buggers too, from BB last year for just over 2 bills. Couldn't pass it up for that.

I just wanted it to hook my two unused recorders to in another room. I use them mainly for copying, although there's still a ton of stuff on their hard drives I'd like to burn if I ever get the ambition.

I don't have any service connected to it, but I might wirelessly run my satellite signal to it. The PQ is very good and the ATSC tuner is very sensitive.
post #317 of 440
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Originally Posted by Rammitinski View Post

I probably wouldn't buy it from that store, just in case you do have to return it again. They're really gonna look at you cross-eyed then.

Maybe if you could find it at another store with a good, "not having to deal with a saleperson" return policy.

Unless you really can't think of anything else there you'd ever want to use that credit on.

Well it keeps getting better. Looking over all the receipts from this experience I noticed not only had I been credited for the unit+warranty but also for a $5.00 S-cable I had bought at the same time, that I did not return. I thought of not saying anything about it, but figured since they gave me credit of everything incl. warranty I should tell them about it. Well he was so surprised I had done this he actually took the gift card back and credited the whole $250 to my Visa. Now I don't have to worry how to spend the money just at that store.
You're right, I think I'll try my next Panny(maybe a EZ-28) at another store.
When I asked the kid running the credit the first time if I should give Panasonic another try with the new model, he said NO. I don't think he wanted me back again (although this is the same store that I bought my 2 ES-15's at, and I have never had issues with those).
In the mean time I picked up a Sammy H260f HD digital tuner yesterday at CC. I thought it was kinda spendy at $179(the going price) but so far after my tests last night recording American Idol(great pq), I am very impressed with the PQ. It's WS and I would say even better PQ than the EZ-17. I'm recording it via S-vid into my ES-25. I'll report back after more tests.
I couldnt stand being without a digital tuner DVDR. The PQ is vastly better than analog, when recording WS HD source. Not as good as your Sony DVR I'm sure, but Sooo much better than SD. I really like the term HD lite. Describes it well.
post #318 of 440
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Originally Posted by jjeff View Post

In the mean time I picked up a Sammy H260f HD digital tuner yesterday at CC. I thought it was kinda spendy at $179(the going price) but so far after my tests last night recording American Idol(great pq), I am very impressed with the PQ. It's WS and I would say even better PQ than the EZ-17. I'm recording it via S-vid into my ES-25. I'll report back after more tests.
I couldnt stand being without a digital tuner DVDR. The PQ is vastly better than analog, when recording WS HD source. Not as good as your Sony DVR I'm sure, but Sooo much better than SD. I really like the term HD lite. Describes it well.

See? Told 'ya! Convincing certain "others" may be impossible at this point, though.

Have you tried the "event timer"-like thingy yet, and did it work?

Actually I have one too, and it's only a fraction of a hair less with PQ than the Sony when recording from it to my DVD recorders. Barely even noticable, really.

Anyway, you should march right back to that store and have them look up the DTB-H260F on their website. It's $10.00 cheaper and they WILL refund you that difference! They did it for me and many others here (might even have a couple of bucks left after you've paid for the gas to and from the store!).
post #319 of 440
The event timer is a bit of a joke, and mainly why I may return the Sammy. I believe it is probably something like your Sony, or even TVGOS programming. The title HAS to be on the PCIP list, or you cannot setup the event. Also there is no way to manually program the event timer or even manually set the clock. It must go off the PCIP? time, which is scary if it gets off. Didn't they learn any thing from the whole Sony thing?? Include a manual time option!! The unit also HAS to be left on to change channels. It will NOT wake up and change if it was turned off.
Take last night for instance. The PCIP schedule only went to midnight for most of my local channels. That sure would not be too handy for going out of town and trying to record many different events on different channels. I sure hope the TR-40 does the schedule different, although I'm upset it will not have a S-out(or so it sounds like). I did notice slightly better pq recording to my DVDR via S-out of Sammy vs composite.
I'll check out the CC site, but like I said I'm probably.... not going to keep it and hope for a CECB with a better scheduler, and hopefully S-out. My local Best Buy actually wanted even $10 more than CC, so I thought I was actually getting a good deal. Sounds like I still paid $10 to much!

Do you get more time on your Sammy guide? I suppose it would vary by market and some stations might be better than others in keeping it up to date. In my area, I've noticed the guide on my Vizio TV(which is exactly the same as the Sammy's guide) is VERY inconsistent. Some times it will go out several days, other times only a few hours. I don't know who to complain to. Would it be CBS, I think?? someone said CBS is sending the guide, or would it be each separate station? I just don't know. All I know is, I would like the option to manually program the scheduler, like a VCR timer. I would think it would be so simple. That and I would like a front panel display, which the Sammy does not have, but I guess I could live without.
post #320 of 440
The amount of guide data, and the length of time it extends to, can vary greatly. I never tried using the timer myself, I just wondered if you had and what your results were. I know that people in the Sammy thread said it was virtually useless.

You mentioned manual timing and the Sony - actually, you can set manual timers on it - with no problem. I do it all the time. It's just that no one's sure if we'll even be able to get the time after the cutoff.

Don't equate setting through the Sammy's (PSIP) guide with TVGOS - TVGOS is thoroughly dependable as long as you're getting data. The time is always spot on - and I mean 100%, always EXACT, and there are never any "overlapping" problems with recordings, a la the PSIP guides. The guide data is very comprehensive, and always there, also. (Also, you can set a guide recording even if the grid says "no listing" - unlike the Sammy.)

I'm waiting for that TR-40, too, not just for the manual timing (as a dependable backup to the TVGOS or whatever), but hopefully for the passing of the TVGOS data, too. I'll possibly be using it with OTA with one of my spare DVD recorders (which all have TVGOS) on my 32" analog set in another room - unless the Sony still works after 02/'09 - in which case I might just end up using the TR-50 on the main TV, and the Sony on the other one.

If the TR-40 has any kind of version of TVGOS (like I've been hearing), you will love it - trust me. Setting manual timers with a DVD recorder is not all that much of a hassle, especially if it's for daily or weekly recordings - but if you've never been spoiled by TiVo, and your needs are basic, you're gonna get spoiled by TVGOS (or anything else that dependable) really quick.

I think a lot of people that have never had or seen it just assume that since it's free, it really can't be all that much. But if that's what you're thinking, you'll be very pleasantly surprised. You can search categories of shows up till 8 days in advance, and all you have to do is press down the recording button on the remote 1,2, or 3 times, depending on the frequency you want to record a show. It's not that different from TiVo really, except it doesn't give you more advanced features like "Season Pass" (which I personally never would use anyway). Just more basic, which is what it sounds like you would only need anyway.

Honestly, if I were you, I wouldn't even bother buying another DVD recorder until those two Echostar units come out. You won't have any use for it, not when you've already got all those working, older, better models (as long as you're able to still record in widescreen, that is). Or maybe you can just find a Panny at Target or somewhere with a no-restocking fee, 90-day return policy and return it when the TR-40 comes out. Just tell them it didn't pick up all the QAM digital locals or something like that. Target actually asks me less questions than Walmart does, if you can believe that. You've got 30 days to ride out the Sammy at least, so 120 days should give you enough time 'till the Echostar's release.
post #321 of 440
Sorry for the confusion, I did know(previously from you I believe) that the Sony could indeed be manually programmed, and the only correlation I was trying to make between TVGOS and PCIP was they were just both Guides, I'm sure TVGOS is MUCH better than PCIP, it would have to be at least in my area. I think again you set me straight on this some time earlier that my Vizio was NOT TVGOS
Even though I probably referred to it at the time as TV guide feature.
Yes I can see how a person could get spoiled by the guide feature. Even the PCIP is nice to be able to just arrow over to the program and hit enter, the only problem with PCIP is the short time frame.
Maybe you're right about another DVDR, once I get the TR-50 I will probably only need one to make DVD's off of it. I guess I won't need the digital tuner, or else use the TR-40.
I'll be waiting for early reviews of the EZ-28. I'll particularly paying attention to missed programs and u99's
post #322 of 440
Well, if you're planning on really getting the TR-50, then you most likely won't even be using any recorder's digital SD tuner from then on. At least not on your HD Panny LCD.
post #323 of 440
My one major reservation about the TR-50, that no one seems to currently know, is if the HDD is married to the unit. If this is the case, HDD cannot be played on another TR-50 that I might own, or if my unit dies and I need to replace it I'd like to be guaranteed my HDD's would play on another unit. If not I would probably not be interested.
I really like that feature about DVDR's, and would not want to build a library of HDD's only to have them die, with the unit. I also like to occasionally borrow a DVD to my father to watch. If he also had a TR-50 I would want him to be able to easily watch the HDD on his machine. Currently with DVDR's it's no problem.
HDD's are a totally different concept for me. I know for users of your Sony, or cable co's DVR's it's just a way of life. I'll be trying to use my TR-50 just like a big DVD, which may not work. Time will tell. I'm not giving up on DVDR's just yet. Maybe the best would be to just timeshift with the TR-50 and still archive to DVD. It would just be nice though to archive HD instead of SD.
post #324 of 440
Has anybody done much exploring on how well dual-layer dvd's record on this machine? I just tried it for the first time, boy did it disappoint! It was about 8 min to the end of a 2 hr-ish recording, when it just up and decides to stop recording, pause a brief moment, and then shutdown. Wtf?! So I power it up again, and see what made it onto the disc (dvd+r dl)...and nothing, nada in the title menu. I remove the disc and then put it back in, and it then returns a message that the disc is incompatible. So it seems it has succeeded to make a coaster. What a pain! That's a $5 disc gone to waste.

I know it was recording something for almost 2 hrs. I can see the write pattern on the disc. It was not even close to a layer change. It just up and decided to pull the plug on the disc while recording.

So, anybody else pull off successful dl recordings on this thing? Was I just unlucky? This is the first time it has ever crashed right in the midst of a recording session. If it were just a standard dvd-r, I would not be so miffed, but ruining a $5 disc?...that's some grievous BS!
post #325 of 440
Sorry to hear that. I purchased a spindle of 10 Windata +R DL discs from Microcenter for $10 but still I'm reluctant to use them considering what I pay for -R's.
The one and only time I recorded a DL disc to my EZ-17 it did work but I think first it wanted to format the disc. That went OK but it did stop at the layer change and need to be post finalized before the second layer could be recorded to. I've read that the EZ-28 does not need the first layer to be post finalized before you can record to the second, but I haven't tried yet.
It sounds like you must have gotten a "self check" error? When I get that error when writing to a disc many times it totally wipes out the disc and I get the same error you get. "This disc is incompatible". If it's a RW disc then it usually just wants to reformat it, which again wipes out everything.
Maybe someone else who uses DL's more might chime in, but if you want to try some more testing I'd suggest Microcenter if you have one near you. $1/disc is sure easier to take than $5. Problem with most DL spindles are they are so big. I don't want to buy 30 discs to do testing, that's why I liked the small 10 spindle.
post #326 of 440
Ah, maybe that is where I went wrong, if I was supposed to "format" it before recording to it. I just put the disc in there right out of the pack. I didn't get any pop-up menu to do anything to it, so I just started recording.

The strange thing of it all, is that it seems to have triggered continued misbehavior in the player since then (hope this isn't an irreversible trend for it, now). The scheduled program that goes off nightly recorded just over an hour and then just inexplicably dropped the rest of the recording time. It defies all reason, since I changed back to the rw discs I have been using just fine for the past 6 mos, and the player has been power cycled numerous times since that dvd+r dl misbehavior. Maybe it is all a coincidence that these seemingly unrelated problems should all crop up at once. Prior to that, it has been a trooper w no instances of buggy behavior (given that my usage has gravitated to a specific pattern that ensures the known bug scenarios are avoided).

I agree about the buying a small batch of dl discs. It sucks that you either pay a lot for a few discs (if you don't plan to use that kind very often) or you pay a whole lot for a spindle full of discs.

That finalize one side before going to the other could be a real bear, if what you describe is true. These dl discs seem to have so many caveats (or maybe Panasonic's implementation of it is really bobo), as to reinforce the notion of them being a prohibitive way to go. [the rest of this stuff is just me venting] I understand from the manual that you cannot divide titles prior to finalizing, either (in the event I would like to dump 6 hrs of stuff on there in one shot, and then logically divide them later). So if you have to put each title down one by one as separate steps, it's just that many more times you can screw up the disc, if your setup happens to be wrong one time. I cannot imagine the frustration (or the pressure to get it consistently right over the span of 8.5 GB of material) of filling up close to the end of the 2nd layer and then screwing something up and making your 2-layer disc compilation a dud. Given that this is a dvd-recorder only, it all has to be in realtime (no hi-speed dub, naturally). So if you have "invested" 6-hrs of realtime recording into a disc (as my particular project dictates), and then bone it towards the end, that really sucks!

I guess the take home points I get from this are:

-A dvd-only recorder is hard enough to manage (as opposed to the "proper" hdd/dvd recorder), but a dvd-only recorder with dl capability is damn-near futile to take advantage of.

-If I am ever shopping for a new recorder that can do dl, it has got to be an hdd/dvd recorder (not dvd only)...which of course becomes a many-fold more difficult proposition given how few hdd/dvd recorders are out there these days, let alone one that isn't priced to the moon.

-I really have a bad impression for Panasonic recorders, after all of my experiences with this ez17. The ATSC tuner in it seems to be the only part in there that hasn't burned me, in one way or other.

...and to top off this wonderful F'ing Friday, MacDonalds has to nerve to charge me $6.45 for a Mushroom & Swiss and then screws up the order with a GD BigMac in my to-go order!...ArrrrrRAAAARRRRR!!! Someone's got to die, today!...Plain And Simple!
post #327 of 440
No I don't think you made a mistake. On my EZ-17 it would not let me proceed without the formatting thing as much as I tried to avoid it. I couldn't figure out why I would need to format a +R disc, but I did and it seemed to go OK.
Maybe the next time I want to record something to a permanent disc I'll try one of the DL discs in my EZ-28. Like I said it's only a dollar but it's more psychological than anything else. I should really try so I'm not so ignorant about them.

edit:I just tried one of my discs in my EZ-28 and it did not require formatting. After some amount of spinning and grinding it said I had 1:55 min XP, 3:40 SP. Note both of these figures are more than the manual says should be on a DL disc and 1:55 XP should be 3:50 SP, so I'm not sure what to believe. The manual does say recoding times can vary especially with DL discs.
So I may have miss spoke about the EZ-17 requiring formatting. I did try a new one in my ES-25(which says it's supposed to record to DL) and it promptly got stuck in the formatting loop, I think when I called Panasonic on this they sent me out a firmware disc which did nothing to fix this, although I'm not too worried since I really don't use them. I agree with you, without a HDD they are really more bother than they are worth.
post #328 of 440
Man, has the Panasonic brand gone to crap, lately? I mean, it's not like they are new to the electronics and dvd scene. All of these Panasonic idiosyncrasies are just inexcusable, imo.
post #329 of 440
Maybe they've been bought out by......FIAT....... talk about idiosyncrasies
post #330 of 440
Aiyeeee!!! That context does put the character of the ez17 into perspective.
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