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post #91 of 440
HVG,
Well just as I thought. I got home from work at 2:30pm, unit should have been recording my test, but alas it was NOT recording. I powered unit on, waited a minute, powered it off, and it started recording from that point on! So to answer your question, no, power cycling the unit the same day will not work. It HAS to be after midnight.
post #92 of 440
Sorry jjeff!

I had a bad feeling after reading your posts this morning. I realize that must be how it is working for you. But I SWEAR it hasn't kept me from continuing to record my weekly scheduled timer settings after changing the disc. I believe we are basically having the same problem but mine seems to have more trouble filling the disc with multiple recordings. Seems I have read something about this with another DVD recorder and that poster just did not set his final recording to fill the disc. Maybe that is more my problem? Sorry if my earlier post was confusing. I was trying to describe the scenario I had been seeing but I try to quickly key things in rather than go into detail. I believe we are basically having the same problem with the timer.

I don't know how much experimenting I will do but I will try to pay more attention to what is going on in the future. Maybe it is my computer support background but I feel like as long as I can work with it then it is better to not question why.

I'll also have to take note of the other anomoly I mentioned. I find it hard to believe my unit is so perfect; especially when it had the other VSS and DST bugs out of the box. One other detail I remembered was that I believe the front display shows 0 min left in LP mode after the 3 consecutive recordings yet when I chickened out and went to finalize the disc it showed 46 min remaining in LP mode. That's how I figured it was a glitch but I did not want to trust it.
post #93 of 440
Homevideoguy, Dare I say it... could it be the DST bug affecting one unit and not the other. Yours is still off, I assume, and DST/clock problems affect a whole gob of things in a DVDR???

Just sayin'....
post #94 of 440
I don't know if you guys have your outer display set to "auto" or "dim/bright", but the latter setting might be useful to give you some feedback on what it is about to do, w/o actually powering it up (and thus affecting the behavior by doing so). Just keep an eye on if that red clock symbol is enabled or not when it successfully initiates or fails to initiate a scheduled recording.
post #95 of 440
I'm curious if anyone else has taken my test and seen the same bug? I can repeat it at will on my DVDR, and also noted the same thing on 2 other EZ-17's and 2 other ES-27's.
I'm sure it is happening on all of the Panny's with the digital tuner, but I cant say from experience on any of the model's w/vhs since I've never used one. Note I have also tried the most recent "firmware" update for the EZ-17 "U7-390" which did nothing about this bug.
I'm just trying to help someone else from missing an important event. I know before I figured it out I had missed several very important(to me) events. I hated recording events on this panny before I figured out the bug. I had to hold my breath that it would record every time I programmed an event. I've been programming VCR events since 1982, and NEVER had problems like this before. I really think the testers at Panasonic should have caught this before they released it to the public. And to make to make worse, Panasonic doesnt even have a good way for the public to notify them about issues. There most recent response is, "hopefully we will release a update disc soon"........Pitiful!
post #96 of 440
Wabjxo, I will try turning off dst and also off auto clock set. I have them both on. I will report my findings tommarow.
Mr. Hanky, I do have my display set to "bright" and in this case, at least, the little red lock is no indication that it will record. In all failed events it has been on.I know on my previous ES-30 I used that little red clock for that exact purpose.
Funny thing, I bet at least 1/2 of my recorded event on this EZ have been test recordings......I'm gonna wear the thing out just testing. Oh well if it helps...
post #97 of 440
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Originally Posted by jjeff View Post

Wabjxo, I will try turning off dst and also off auto clock set. I have them both on. I will report my findings tommarow.
Mr. Hanky, I do have my display set to "bright" and in this case, at least, the little red lock is no indication that it will record. In all failed events it has been on.I know on my previous ES-30 I used that little red clock for that exact purpose.
Funny thing, I bet at least 1/2 of my recorded event on this EZ have been test recordings......I'm gonna wear the thing out just testing. Oh well if it helps...

Checking this Panny site, they say the EZ17 is programmed for the new DST rules. Worth a try anyway... might be what you're connected to that has a screwed up DST calendar/clock???
post #98 of 440
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Originally Posted by jjeff View Post

Mr. Hanky, I do have my display set to "bright" and in this case, at least, the little red lock is no indication that it will record. In all failed events it has been on.I know on my previous ES-30 I used that little red clock for that exact purpose.

Ok- good to know, then...and disconcerting! ...can't even trust the red clock?! wtf?
post #99 of 440
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

I have seen others complain about this. With the EZ-17 and RAM you are supposed to be able to watch one recording while the unit is recording another program. Does this mean that if you are watching a title recorded on the disk, say 5-10 minutes before the start of another recording event, that the EZ17 will not start the scheduled recording?

Kelson (and others), a quick read of the EZ-17 manual decribes the process for using a DVD-RAM disc to watch a program while recording another program. To do this you need to be FIRST recording a program, and THEN begin watching the second program. Nowhere does it say that you can FIRST watch a program, and THEN either manually start a recording or begin a timer recording.

Those trying to watch and then record are looking for functionality that is NOT available on the EZ-17, and is NOT mentioned in the manual.

I checked the ES-15 manual, and the same procedure is mentioned -- FIRST record, THEN watch.

There is a difference, however, in the procedure for setting up a scheduled timer recording. On the ES-15, there is NO need to turn off the recorder before the scheduled recording; it will begin even if the recorder is on, unlike the EZ17, on which (as it is plainly stated in the manual) the recorder must be OFF before the scheduled recording is set to begin.
post #100 of 440
I too have my display set to bright, factory setting, so I can see what is going on. As I mentioned with my bug, the display reports 0 time left when the finalize menu shows the appropriate time left, so not much help there. I know that amount of time should be left, but if some small part of it doesn't think so... It has only happened a few times, when recording my entire weeks schedule to one disc, not when recording a single event in FR mode.

Also, with the missed timer settings, the little red icon is no indication there either. I think the EZ17 truly believes it has something to record, it just doesn't record it. I seem to recall checking my scheduled recordings to see why these recordings failed and seeing what jjeff described - that event is moved to the bottom of the list, as it should be, but still indicates that days date and OK instead of the next weeks date and !. Unfortunately, it would seem my similarities with jjeff may end there since seeing this when changing the disc right after a scheduled weekly recording does not seem to be preventing me from recording the remainder of my scheduled recordings. Mine seems to be clearing this up on it's own, perhaps after midnight? And yes, I do still have DST set to off and clock set to manual. That may make some difference.

I am glad jjeff brought this to my attention. Although it has happened to me, it was so infrequent, I just blamed it on other things. I guess with my computer background, I am just glad all things digital work right most of the time, and I think it is more because of cost cutting and a lack of adequate testing on their part for us budget minded Americans. I would rather pay twice as much for something tested to work all of the time.
post #101 of 440
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Originally Posted by rgazzara View Post

Kelson (and others), a quick read of the EZ-17 manual decribes the process for using a DVD-RAM disc to watch a program while recording another program. To do this you need to be FIRST recording a program, and THEN begin watching the second program. Nowhere does it say that you can FIRST watch a program, and THEN either manually start a recording or begin a timer recording.

Those trying to watch and then record are looking for functionality that is NOT available on the EZ-17, and is NOT mentioned in the manual.

I checked the ES-15 manual, and the same procedure is mentioned -- FIRST record, THEN watch.

There is a difference, however, in the procedure for setting up a scheduled timer recording. On the ES-15, there is NO need to turn off the recorder before the scheduled recording; it will begin even if the recorder is on, unlike the EZ17, on which (as it is plainly stated in the manual) the recorder must be OFF before the scheduled recording is set to begin.

Thanks RG,
Well, one can't really fault them if they have the operation correctly documented in the manual. One could be unhappy with the limitation, and I would be, but it's not like they are trying to pull the wool over anyone's eyes. Too bad though, I do this sort of thing with my E-85 all the time and never have to worry about it not starting a recording session while I'm watching another. Looks like Panasonic has a few issues to iron out with these models before the release of Gen-II -- that is, if there is a gen-II forthcoming.
post #102 of 440
I think the disconcerting bit to this kind of situation is when we witness the maker achieving a certain feature set/feature behavior in an earlier model (the ES family, in this case), but then seemingly take a step backwards in a newer model line that should at least be a peer caliber to the older model. It makes you wonder if they decided to needlessly start from square 1, again, (throwing out all of the positive details achieved in earlier work) or did they do this to deliberately gimp the product to make their higher product families stand-out more?
post #103 of 440
Well I'm back....maby I should just start a blog......but I hope I'm helping nail this thing down.
My latest 2-3pm test recording also failed. This time I had turned OFF the DST, and also OFF the auto clock set. Oh well, worth a try. Unless someone else has something to try, I think I'll just live with powering up/down the unit every morning before a scheduled recording. What can I say, it works for me.

On Rgazzara's point I agree with all except. On the test of my es-25(es-15 with hdmi out) I did NOT have to power down machine to have a scheduled RAM disc start recording. As mentioned during play, it automatically stopped play, and started recording. I only had to push play to start the program back playing, while it continued to record the scheduled event. I understand the manule might say otherwise(again for a es-15) but it did work for me.

Mr. Hanky, I have sumized that the little red clock is not a good indication if the unit is going to record a event or not. Case in point, after my first test recording last night 7-8:30 pm in FR mode, disc was full, little red clock went out(as it should, disc was full and had no more room to record next event at 2-3 pm next day) I reformatted the -RW disc for the next test event. Went into schedule list and incorrectly(as I know) there on the bottom of the list was the event that just recorded, and it had a date next to it. INCORRECT. It should have had a date next to the item at the top of the list, my next test event for the following day, 2-3pm XP mode. It did should a ! next to that top event. So I guess I believe the !. If you see that, the machine will NOT record the next event, unless again you power cycle the machine sometime the next day, before the next event. Back to the red clock. After I turned the machine off the little red clock came on. Indicating it was good to go. In fact the little red clock was also on this morning(day of 2nd test recording). But as reported, the event did NOT record.

On another note, I noticed latley that someone dug up an old thread on the ES-20. I was reading it and noticed several people were having problem with that unit as far as timer recordings. I didnt read the whole thing, but some people also noticed odd things about how that unit handled the midnight change over as well as weekly events.
I was floored! It seems like Panasonic cant seem to get this thing fixed! Pitiful!! But on that note, I personally have NEVER missed a scheduled event on my es-25...Or es-30 as far as that's concerned. Maby I was just lucky.....
post #104 of 440
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Originally Posted by jjeff View Post

Well I'm back....maby I should just start a blog......but I hope I'm helping nail this thing down.
My latest 2-3pm test recording also failed. This time I had turned OFF the DST, and also OFF the auto clock set. Oh well, worth a try. Unless someone else has something to try, I think I'll just live with powering up/down the unit every morning before a scheduled recording. What can I say, it works for me.

If you're up to one more test...?

The one thing I haven't been able to pin down on the DST/auto clock thing is if a reset was needed before making the changes. Several people said they DID reset before changing and it worked for their problems.

While you have DST off and clock on manual, any chance you could prove/disprove the "reset-required" theory?
post #105 of 440
Sorry, I thought of one more thing in reguard to the ! that I failed to include in my last post. Just to muddy the waters more, because we all like muddy water....The ! is not a total indication if event is going to record either. Case in point. I frequently schedule events for say 1 hr 1 min in XP(1hr speed) or 2hrs 1 min in SP(2hr speed). The absolute max in XP is 1hr and SP is 2hrs. Actually both speeds give about 30 seconds more, but not 1 minute. The reason I do this is just in cast the show runs a tiny bit over, I will still catch it. If after I program this type of event, I immediatly go into the schedule list, it will show a ! after that event. But in truth the unit WILL record that event, to a length of about 30 seconds longer than 1hr or 2hrs. In essance I've fully filled up the disc. But my point is that it DID record that event(all be it missing the last 30 seconds) So the ! is not a guarntee that the unit will at least start a event.
P.S. please dont ask me why I just dont use FR, and actually get 1hr 1 min., or 2hrs. 1 min.. It's just a personal thing. I like to use the pre-programed speeds when ever possible, but like to fill the disc to it's fullest.
I'll shut up for now.
post #106 of 440
If by reset, you mean pushing channel up/down on the unit for 10 seconds to get back to factory defaults, sure I'll give it a whirl.
Since the writers strike has stopped all new programs, basically the only events I am recording are tests anyway.
post #107 of 440
Yes, factory defaults w/manual clock set and DST off on setup. IF it's related to DST ("Y2K7 Problem"), might work. Are you connected to a box?
post #108 of 440
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Originally Posted by Mr. Hanky View Post

I think the disconcerting bit to this kind of situation is when we witness the maker achieving a certain feature set/feature behavior in an earlier model (the ES family, in this case), but then seemingly take a step backwards in a newer model line that should at least be a peer caliber to the older model. It makes you wonder if they decided to needlessly start from square 1, again, (throwing out all of the positive details achieved in earlier work) or did they do this to deliberately gimp the product to make their higher product families stand-out more?

I used to watch this in horror when it happened year after year to my Mitsubishi VCRs. It seemd that every year they added new features, but took out others. I was not very intereted in the newer features, but I used some of the older ones all the time. It was as if they could only support so many features, so to add one, they had to remove another. Disconcerting and disappointing to say the least.
post #109 of 440
Wabjxo,
If by "box" you are refering to any type of cable/satelite box, the answer is no. I am just a OTA guy.
post #110 of 440
You know, it's just occurred to me that my ez17 seems to be recording a 2nd sequentially scheduled just fine all week. It all happens in the middle of the night, but if I was having the same problem that all of you are describing, I would be up in arms because the 2nd show should be missing on the disc (yet, it makes it onto the disc just fine). It's technically the 3rd program in the day where the red clock goes poof (yes, I realize that your red clocks are not behaving consistently). So my experience is slightly different than the rest of yours.

Allow me to explain more explicitly- my scheduled recordings for Tue were as follows:

DST off, manual clock set, fresh dvd+rw disc going into this process...

L2, M-F, 1:50 am - 2:45 am (55 min), EP (8 hr mode)
L2, M-F, 3:00 am - 8:30 am (5 hr, 30 min), EP (8 hr mode)

tuner, ea Tu, 9:00 pm - 10:00 pm (1 hr), SP

The 1st and 2nd seem to always trigger fine, but the red clock is missing by the 3rd. Now here's where it gets tricky (so my experiences may not have any relation to anything being discussed in this thread ). During the 2nd program, around 8:00 AM, I'll interrupt the recording using the stop button and confirm the alert prompt. I remove the disc and put a fresh dvd+rw (each time, pre-formatted and ready to go).

The machine sits idle until 8:30 AM, but still activated, after which I presume it shuts itself off (it's always off, by time I come home for the evening)- so technically, it has not been manually power-cycled even though I interrupted an ongoing program. When I come home, I notice the red clock is gone. If I do nothing, the 3rd recording will not trigger. If I power cycle it (usually swapping in a fresh dvd-ram disc, at this point, as well, if I did not do this in the morning when I interrupted the 2nd program), the red clock appears, and the recording does trigger at the scheduled time (contrary to all of your experiences, I acknowledge). The red clock has been consistently accurate as what the recorder is about to do, for me- I don't know why it is different from your experiences.

Maybe the recording speed has something to do with it? Maybe my interrupting the 2nd recording and swapping in a fresh disc has a bearing on how the 3rd program triggers (or not triggers)? Perhaps, if I intentionally shut it off after interrupting the 2nd program, that will enable the 3rd program to trigger properly? Maybe it isn't keeping track of when I have swapped in a fresh disc, in the middle of the process, so it thinks the disc is too full to trigger the 3rd recording, even though it is a fresh, empty disc?

Maybe these machines have a serious case of "butterfly effect"?

Maybe the key at the center of all of these possibilities is the machine's ability to accurately reconcile how full or not full the disc is, and this ability can be influenced by the kind of disc media (-r,-rw,+r,+rw,-ram), how the dynamic directories are consolidated on-the-fly (based on the media type and the limitations of rw vs. r media), and if it has to do this from within a recording mode vs. just powered up and idle?
post #111 of 440
Mr.Hanky, If I follow you, and I think I do, it sounds like there are MANY circamstances in which this EZ unit will not record an event. A person will only find out what circamstances it will not record, by a failed event! Pretty sad. As noted, SO far, my experience only involves WEEKLY events, which fill up the disc, and then the failed recording the NEXT or following days.
post #112 of 440
Waxjbo, One last thing for the night...Promise, the kids are bugging to use the computer to play Webkinz!
I tried resetting my Panny via the channel up/down. While it did reset the clock to 12:00 flashing and erased all my channel lineup, I dont believe it TOTALLY reset the unit back to factory default. Let me explain. I have several Panny's and have set this unit up for Remote code 3, the factory default is 1. Well even after the reset it is still set for 3. Also I use Field instead of the default Auto, for pause mode. It stayed Field even after reset. And lastly I have setup EP record speed to be 6hrs, instead of factory default 8hrs. It stayed at 6hrs.
Also on the DST thing, I dont really see a option to turn it off. There is a DST on/off option, which I set to OFF, but a person could also read this as DST is off, and will be ON in the spring. It doesnt really say it turns off the Auto thing. And there is also no OFF for autoclock set. The only thing I did was to go under Manule time set, changed time by 1 min, then exited out of that screen. Again there was not a toggle as such that said autoclock on/off.
Anyway did these things and will post findings after 2pm CST time tommarow.
post #113 of 440
jjeff, I'll keep all 10 fingers crossed. Thanks for the effort to check this out. It does sound as if things didn't get totally reset. I think that's pull power, plug back in while holding power button, but not sure.
post #114 of 440
Wabjxo, Sorry I didnt get your post in time to try the unpug/hold power on reset in time, but I do have some odd....comments on that.

Today's event did not record(I guess the 10 finger thing wasnt enough...) But what I did find out was interesting, in it's own right.

During the time that the recorder was supposed to be recording(but was not) I unplugged the unit, and I had a hunch, but had never tired it, I plugged the unit back in. Sure enough after about 30 seconds of disc action, it started to RECORD my event!

The other thing learned was about the reset you talked about. After I stopped my test event, I thought I'd try your reset(even though if it worked, it would mean I would have to reprogram the unit again!) I unplugged the unit for 1 min, then while holding down the power button, reconnected the power cable. After 10 seconds the display came back on at flashing 12:00,
This is where it got weird... I tried to turn on the unit with it's remote, and it said REC3, which means it must have reset it's remote back to 1, which I thought as good.....I figured it must have REALLY reset my Panny. But it gets even weirder... I took my remote code 1 remote, and it did indeed turn on my EZ unit, but after the 30 seconds it took for it to startup I took that same remote and tired to enter setup, and to my disbelief it said REC1!!(meaning the unit was back to remote code 3), Sooo I took it's remote, the remote code 3, and it worked. I entered the setup and just as before(with the channel up/down reset) the remote code was at 3, and several of my previous settings(different from default) were intact. I still had to reset the time, and all my channels though.

So what did I learn by this latet event.....As before I will just power down the machine every morning to be sure it records my weekly events. And as far as more testing, I think I'm gonna lay low with EZ unit. I have to spend time with my newest unit......I picked up a Philips 3575 today after work! If the PQ is as good as this Panny.......well, anyone interested in a Panny EZ-17?....Records most of the time......

Catch you on the 3575 thread!
post #115 of 440
One last thing, because I do like to be thorough. After the unplug/hold power button in/replug resetting, it did NOT erase my 5 events that I had in my program schedule.....So I believe I got a better reset by using the channel up/down reset method. Not ALL factory defaults, but as close as I know how. Maby someone else knows how to reset this unit to ALL factory defaults...
But as noted, I'm pretty much done playing around with this thing for now...
post #116 of 440
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Originally Posted by jjeff View Post

One last thing, because I do like to be thorough. After the unplug/hold power button in/replug resetting, it did NOT erase my 5 events that I had in my program schedule.....So I believe I got a better reset by using the channel up/down reset method. Not ALL factory defaults, but as close as I know how. Maby someone else knows how to reset this unit to ALL factory defaults...
But as noted, I'm pretty much done playing around with this thing for now...

I don't know where that unplug/hold power button procedure came from -- I never heard of that.

On a Panasonic, holding in the power button for 5 seconds will do a soft reset of the unit.

Press and hold the channel up/down buttons for 5 seconds to do a unit reset and clear TVGOS if you have it.

To initialize all parameters back to factory defaults (hard reset): With the unit OFF, press and hold "Skip Rev" (|<<) and "Time Slip" and "Open/Close" for 5 seconds. These would be the buttons on the DVDR front panel, not the remote. This returns the unit to the out-of-box state.

To eject a stuck disk if the unit won't operate (i.e. U99 error): With the unit OFF, press and hold "Power", "Stop" and "Channel Up" for 5 seconds.

To toggle the disk eject from "LOCK" to "UNLOCK": With the unit ON, press and hold "Power" and "Stop" for 5 seconds.
post #117 of 440
sorry, couldnt stay away
Kelson,
Do you know for sure if the reset methods you mentioned work on the new EZ series Panasonic? I guess if you were unsure I would be willing to varify them.
It's funny about the u99 errors. If anyone has been following my posts....they would have read I have had to return 3 EZ machines due to u99 errors(after less than a month of use). The first one Ultimate Electronics tore the machine apart to get my -rw disc out. The 2nd 2 purchased at BB, they were going to charge me $20 to take it apart to get my $1.00 -rw discs out.....nedless to say the discs stayed in the machine. Also after many calls to Panasonic support, no other reset other than the ch up/down method was suggested....but I do seem to remember on my Panny es-30 dvdr, customer support did suggest something like Waxjo had me try, like holding in the power button, while plugging in the unit.
You'd think Panasonic support would get there act together.........
Let me know if you want me to varify the new reset things on my EZ unit.
post #118 of 440
I have finally experienced the machine failing to activate even while the red clock indicator was on. The only thing I did differently this time was that I had literally filled the disc to the very end, prior to this. Then I deleted the single program, which would have left a completely blank disc ready for recording. Then I shut the machine off, with the red clock indicator enabled.

So maybe half the machine realized the disc has space to record (putting up the red clock indicator), and the other half of the machine still thinks the disc is still full (and disables the trigger for a new recording)?

EDIT: Upon further examination, it seems the 1st program did trigger, but the 2nd program didn't. Strange...
post #119 of 440
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Originally Posted by jjeff View Post

sorry, couldnt stay away
Kelson,
Do you know for sure if the reset methods you mentioned work on the new EZ series Panasonic? I guess if you were unsure I would be willing to varify them.
It's funny about the u99 errors. If anyone has been following my posts....they would have read I have had to return 3 EZ machines due to u99 errors(after less than a month of use). The first one Ultimate Electronics tore the machine apart to get my -rw disc out. The 2nd 2 purchased at BB, they were going to charge me $20 to take it apart to get my $1.00 -rw discs out.....nedless to say the discs stayed in the machine. Also after many calls to Panasonic support, no other reset other than the ch up/down method was suggested....but I do seem to remember on my Panny es-30 dvdr, customer support did suggest something like Waxjo had me try, like holding in the power button, while plugging in the unit.
You'd think Panasonic support would get there act together.........
Let me know if you want me to varify the new reset things on my EZ unit.

As far as I know, those key sequences work on all the Panasonics from the E-85 to the E-55. Panasonic tends to be very consistent about it so I would assume they work on the EZ series.

If you have need for a hard reset then try the sequence I cited.
post #120 of 440
Kelson, I'm glad I tried(or tried) to try (god that sounds awful) your reset methods on my Panny EZ series DVR. As someone noted earlier in this thread, it's frusterating when a company decides to change certin feature sets in there product line. People get used to those features(even make recomendations to others) but they do not work on the there most recent product offerings. Here are my findings on your reset methods(which truthfully you DID only say worked for the Panny E-55 to the E-85 series).

I'm sorry, I'm very new to forums, and don't know how to "use quotes" like most everybody else. I've tried reading the forums FAQ's, but found nothing on this feature. So I will have to parafraze things. I'm also not the greatest speller, and cant figure out how to spell check my posts. So sorry again.

With unit ON I held the power button down for 5 seconds. All this really did was to turn OFF The EZ unit. Note I had several scheduled programs programmed in the unit at the time, and it should have displayed the "little red clock" but it did not. So I am going to assume....turning off the unit this way, will make the unit not record those events....just guessing. I also tried turning the unit ON (that is, it was in the off state) by holding the power button ON for 5 seconds. All this did was to turn the machine on. Nothing more, nothing less. By the way after this test I simply turned off the machine normally, and my "little red clock" came on. So I will again assume....the next event would have recorded(though with this EZ Panny one really NEVER!! knows if it will actually record a event) sorry couldnt resist...

On the reset via ch up/ch down for 5 seconds. It did as I have proven before, reset several things in the machine. The clock, cleared all programs in schedule, some setup options, but NOT all.

On what you said would be a hard reset on your E- units, that is "with unit off, press and hold Skip Rev and Time Slip...etc." There's one little problem with this......There's no "time slip" button on Panny's unit anymore. At least with the EZ series. I think maby it went went away with the HDD's?? I personally have never had a Panny with a "time slip" button on the unit(of cource I have never had a Panny with a HDD, oh many Panny's of various ages, but not one with a HDD) Safe to assume, scratch that reset method on EZ Panny's. Note of course all Panny's I know of, have a "time slip" button on the remote.

I'm still looking for a reset method to reset the EZ series Panny's to there "out of box state" if anyone knows of one.

On the method to eject a stuck disc, eg U99, I thought this would be really handy for me, since I've had several....EZ's with this problem.... But also, this series of "with unit OFF, press and hold Power, Stop, and CH UP, for 5 seconds, also did NOTHING on my EZ Panny(note I did not have a stuck disc in machine, or a U99, but in a working machine(with a disc inserted) it did nothing).

Lastly on your method to LOCK eject(that is make it so unit will not eject a disc that is inside the unit), it DID work. Cool feature, never knew about it. I suppose a person could use it to, say keep someone from "steaing" a DVD that you had inside a machine. Probably handy for stores, that leave a DVD in a constant loop, advertizing something, or playing the newest DVD's. Although my guess is, that if stores bother to use a Panny for there display machine, they "probably" don't even know about this feature. I personally know I've never heard of it before. And I'm one of "those" types that likes to read a manual, cover to cover.

Finally for anyone interested in my latest DVR, the Philips 3575 w/HDD. I had really high hopes for this unit. I am tireing of this Panny EZ unit, and all it's quirks. Sadly I'll have to live with the EZ unit, until Panny comes up with a HDD digital tuner DVR. The reason is, at lease for ME, and this is only JMO, I don't think the PQ of the Philips even comes close to my Panny's(of any generation). Oh don't get me wrong, the Philips recording WS off of it's built in digital tuner may.... look better than SD recorded off any of my Panny's, but it is "my personal opinion"(and I'm one that really likes the PQ of Panny's) There is no comparison between the two. If I had to compare the 2, I'd say for every given speed(data transfer rate) the Panny PQ looked twice as good. That is, for the 1hr Philips speed, it looked like the Panny's 2hr speed. For the Philips 2hr speed, it looked like the Panny's 4hr speed, etc. etc. Note 4? yrs. ago when I was researching DVDR's to replace my VCR, I spend several weeks buying, then returning units(Lite-on's, Centrios, Sony, LG, Pioneer). It was back then, and seems to be the case now(although this Philips is the only non Panny machine I had tried since my tests 4? yrs ago) I am destand to a life of Panny's, and all there quirks. After all PQ is my most important "feature"
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