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post #1 of 26
Thread Starter 
Hello, I have the sony xbr960 in my living room and a standard def sony tv in my bedroom. My question is with this Nintendo Wii does it even matter if its hooked up to the HD. Would it be the same in my bedroom as the 960?

Thanks
post #2 of 26
480p is better than 480i.........
post #3 of 26
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Originally Posted by DerekinMerrick View Post

Hello, I have the sony xbr960 in my living room and a standard def sony tv in my bedroom. My question is with this Nintendo Wii does it even matter if its hooked up to the HD. Would it be the same in my bedroom as the 960?

Thanks

Assuming your XBR960 behaves the same way as an XBR970 then from what I understand you should definitely go with the 960 which handles SD content exceptionally well. Essentially it will upconvert the 480i or 480p signal to 960i and then scan it at 1080i. 1080i is what the TV's electron gun scans at so to handle SD content it doubles the number of lines (to 960i) and then displays it with 30 blank lines on the top and bottom of the image (equaling 1080i), it will look great and probably better than your SD Sony in your bedroom plus I'll wager the TV in your bedroom doesn't have component inputs (if it's a more recent Sony though I could very well be wrong). Hmm sorry for the long answer, enjoy your Wii and doubley so for me because I CAN'T FIND ONE!!!
post #4 of 26
Thread Starter 
It has a bunch of components but its nothing like the 960Hd at all its like any regular non HD tv (crap). But its good for the bedroom (im in college).

Thanks for the help
post #5 of 26
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Originally Posted by bkchurch View Post

Assuming your XBR960 behaves the same way as an XBR970 then from what I understand you should definitely go with the 960 which handles SD content exceptionally well. Essentially it will upconvert the 480i or 480p signal to 960i and then scan it at 1080i. 1080i is what the TV's electron gun scans at so to handle SD content it doubles the number of lines (to 960i) and then displays it with 30 blank lines on the top and bottom of the image (equaling 1080i), it will look great and probably better than your SD Sony in your bedroom plus I'll wager the TV in your bedroom doesn't have component inputs (if it's a more recent Sony though I could very well be wrong). Hmm sorry for the long answer, enjoy your Wii and doubley so for me because I CAN'T FIND ONE!!!

You are wrong.
post #6 of 26
Thread Starter 
why is he wrong?
post #7 of 26
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Originally Posted by like.no.other. View Post

You are wrong.

Care to elaborate? I don't claim to be a TV genius but after extensive research on the XBR970 it seems to be generally agreed upon that Sony's CRT's are not muti-scan and upconvert all signals to 1080i (480i/p are converted by the previously stated method). If you know something I don't then please by all means go ahead and correct me but don't just say I'm wrong and leave it at that because that leads me to believe you don't have a damn clue what you're talking about.
post #8 of 26
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Originally Posted by bkchurch View Post

Care to elaborate? I don't claim to be a TV genius but after extensive research on the XBR970 it seems to be generally agreed upon that Sony's CRT's are not muti-scan and upconvert all signals to 1080i (480i/p are converted by the previously stated method). If you know something I don't then please by all means go ahead and correct me but don't just say I'm wrong and leave it at that because that leads me to believe you don't have a damn clue what you're talking about.

First off don't judge by your "research. Second of all you don't even own this TV.
Third, I know more about this TV than 80% of the people in this forum.

If you have incoming 1080i signal, the resolution is 1440x1080i
If you have incoming 720p signal, the resolution will be upconverted to 1440x1080i
When DRC is set on Interlaced, the resolution is 1440x960i
When DRC is set on Progressive, the resolution is 1440x480p
When DRC is set on CineMotion, the resolution is 1440x480p having applied reverse 3-2 pulldown.

That is the correct statement and feeding other people confusing material just
makes this forum having dumb questions.
post #9 of 26
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Originally Posted by like.no.other. View Post

First off don't judge by your "research. Second of all you don't even own this TV.
Third, I know more about this TV than 80% of the people in this forum.

If you have incoming 1080i signal, the resolution is 1440x1080i
If you have incoming 720p signal, the resolution will be upconverted to 1440x1080i
When DRC is set on Interlaced, the resolution is 1440x960i
When DRC is set on Progressive, the resolution is 1440x480p
When DRC is set on CineMotion, the resolution is 1440x480p having applied reverse 3-2 pulldown.

That is the correct statement and feeding other people confusing material just
makes this forum having dumb questions.

I believe Cinemotion results in an upconversion to a 960i resolution.

The tube is scanned at a fixed scan rate equivalent to 1080i/540p.
post #10 of 26
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Originally Posted by raouliii View Post

I believe Cinemotion results in an upconversion to a 960i resolution.

The tube is scanned at a fixed scan rate equivalent to 1080i/540p.

No. 960i judders as well as 1080i. CineMotion doesn't judder so it leads to 480p. Do
you have this TV or 970?
post #11 of 26
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Originally Posted by like.no.other. View Post

First off don't judge by your "research. Second of all you don't even own this TV.
Third, I know more about this TV than 80% of the people in this forum.

If you have incoming 1080i signal, the resolution is 1440x1080i
If you have incoming 720p signal, the resolution will be upconverted to 1440x1080i
When DRC is set on Interlaced, the resolution is 1440x960i
When DRC is set on Progressive, the resolution is 1440x480p
When DRC is set on CineMotion, the resolution is 1440x480p having applied reverse 3-2 pulldown.

What is your source for this information? Please provid it to us as I highly question these numbers.
post #12 of 26
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Originally Posted by like.no.other. View Post

First off don't judge by your "research. Second of all you don't even own this TV.
Third, I know more about this TV than 80% of the people in this forum.

If you have incoming 1080i signal, the resolution is 1440x1080i
If you have incoming 720p signal, the resolution will be upconverted to 1440x1080i
When DRC is set on Interlaced, the resolution is 1440x960i
When DRC is set on Progressive, the resolution is 1440x480p
When DRC is set on CineMotion, the resolution is 1440x480p having applied reverse 3-2 pulldown.

That is the correct statement and feeding other people confusing material just
makes this forum having dumb questions.

You know by not originally correcting my "confusing material" you're probably more at fault for this forum having "dumb questions" than me. Also if I don't judge based on my research what the hell should I base off of? Numbers I've pulled out of my ass? Also you might be interested to know that owning something doesn't give people anymore knowledge about that something, if it did than every technician, electrician, and mechanic in the world would probably be out of business. I admit I based my answer off what seems to be most agreed upon about the XBR970 (which was basically that it's electron gun isn't multi-scan and everything is upconverted to 1080i) and I figured it would apply just as well to this TV. If what you say is true then I'm fine with that but stop acting like the o mighty all knowing god of the forum would ya? O one last thing: why should I believe you know more about this TV than 80% of the people on this forum? I'm sure 80% of the people on this forum believe the same thing.
post #13 of 26
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Originally Posted by RWetmore View Post

What is your source for this information? Please provid it to us as I highly question these numbers.

Read the manual. The vertical numbers never change due to aperture grille. Use search.
The only time the vertical resolution change is through monitor like displays.



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Originally Posted by bkchurch View Post

You know by not originally correcting my "confusing material" you're probably more at fault for this forum having "dumb questions" than me. Also if I don't judge based on my research what the hell should I base off of? Numbers I've pulled out of my ass? Also you might be interested to know that owning something doesn't give people anymore knowledge about that something, if it did than every technician, electrician, and mechanic in the world would probably be out of business. I admit I based my answer off what seems to be most agreed upon about the XBR970 (which was basically that it's electron gun isn't multi-scan and everything is upconverted to 1080i) and I figured it would apply just as well to this TV. If what you say is true then I'm fine with that but stop acting like the o mighty all knowing god of the forum would ya? O one last thing: why should I believe you know more about this TV than 80% of the people on this forum? I'm sure 80% of the people on this forum believe the same thing.

I can back my statementt. Judging by your previous posts, you don't know anything.
Unless you have the product with you and know something about it not just reading
off someone and specification. It's like saying LCD are better because they have higher
resolution than CRT, the specification said so. Prove me wrong and tell me what this TV
is in real life and not drooling over numbers on the internet.
post #14 of 26
So the 960 doesn't do 1920x1080?
post #15 of 26
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Originally Posted by tomhayes View Post

So the 960 doesn't do 1920x1080?

Most 1080i TV's don't display 1920x1080.
post #16 of 26
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Originally Posted by tomhayes View Post

So the 960 doesn't do 1920x1080?

If you would've read the thread, it's 1440x1080i maximum resolution. That's the highest
a CRT TV has ever went except for monitors.
post #17 of 26
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Originally Posted by like.no.other. View Post

Read the manual. The vertical numbers never change due to aperture grille. Use search.
The only time the vertical resolution change is through monitor like displays.





I can back my statementt. Judging by your previous posts, you don't know anything.
Unless you have the product with you and know something about it not just reading
off someone and specification. It's like saying LCD are better because they have higher
resolution than CRT, the specification said so. Prove me wrong and tell me what this TV
is in real life and not drooling over numbers on the internet.

You're a very angry person you know that? I could care less who's right honestly, I was going off what I knew about the XBR970 and maybe it doesn't apply here, o well. Anyway I'm done talking to you because I have a life and better things to do than argue with some anonymous douche bag from god knows where who spends his time starting **** on online forums because he thinks he knows all there is to know about a friggin TV. Good day to you sir.
post #18 of 26
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Originally Posted by like.no.other. View Post

If you would've read the thread, it's 1440x1080i maximum resolution. That's the highest
a CRT TV has ever went except for monitors.

If YOU'd have read the thread you'd have seen that you really seem like a jerk.

Are you having a bad day? If you are I'm sorry.

if you're not, then I'm REALLY sorry for you.

Thanks again, and remember to be nice

-Tom
post #19 of 26
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Originally Posted by bkchurch View Post

You're a very angry person you know that? I could care less who's right honestly, I was going off what I knew about the XBR970 and maybe it doesn't apply here, o well. Anyway I'm done talking to you because I have a life and better things to do than argue with some anonymous douche bag from god knows where who spends his time starting **** on online forums because he thinks he knows all there is to know about a friggin TV. Good day to you sir.

Um how old are you? I am like that when you say your "facts" are right when it's not.
You are confusing people here and just start stupid repetitive threads without searching.
I don't need to go down your level acting stupid when corrected.



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Originally Posted by tomhayes View Post

If YOU'd have read the thread you'd have seen that you really seem like a jerk.

Are you having a bad day? If you are I'm sorry.

if you're not, then I'm REALLY sorry for you.

Thanks again, and remember to be nice

-Tom

It's called common sense. I am not a jerk, I stated the truth and you forum newbies
can't accept the truth.
post #20 of 26
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Originally Posted by like.no.other. View Post

Um how old are you? I am like that when you say your "facts" are right when it's not.
You are confusing people here and just start stupid repetitive threads without searching.
I don't need to go down your level acting stupid when corrected.

It's called common sense. I am not a jerk, I stated the truth and you forum newbies
can't accept the truth.

It's not about facts, it's about your posts. Face it, you are acting like a jerk.

I have reported all your snarky, jerky post using the "Report This post" link. If the moderators don't think you're over the line then you're fine.

Oh, and when you do post "facts" and "the truht" please link to where the real information is, because your attitude influences how much people will trust your answers. And I trust you not even a little.

Here is a missspellling so you can be a jerk about that too.

post #21 of 26
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Originally Posted by tomhayes View Post

It's not about facts, it's about your posts. Face it, you are acting like a jerk.

I have reported all your snarky, jerky post using the "Report This post" link. If the moderators don't think you're over the line then you're fine.

Oh, and when you do post "facts" and "the truht" please link to where the real information is, because your attitude influences how much people will trust your answers. And I trust you not even a little.

Here is a missspellling so you can be a jerk about that too.


I really don't care if you report me. I don't regret what I said. People like you need to start acting mature. Now to not go off topic, he said that the TV scans 480i/p to 960i, which owners here knows it's not, then to 1080i. My sources? The TV itself will show you and the manual will tell you about DRC. If you don't believe me, why don't you buy the TV first before arguing who has one and has more experience. Can't afford it? Then you have no room to argue about this so and so stated so. You still think I'm being a jerk because I am giving you right information? Then why don't you take yourself to Best Buy or Circuit City and ask those oh-so-helpful-highly-trained sales person about
the TV. Until then, if you want proof I will gladly give it to you or explain it to you. No need to be immature about it because you got corrected.
post #22 of 26
like.no.other.,

A HD CRT will display any res. thrown at it (480i/p, 720p, 1080i) period!

I sure am glad there's not more people like you in these forums!

hyghwayman
post #23 of 26
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Originally Posted by like.no.other. View Post

I really don't care if you report me. I don't regret what I said. People like you need to start acting mature. Now to not go off topic, he said that the TV scans 480i/p to 960i, which owners here knows it's not, then to 1080i. My sources? The TV itself will show you and the manual will tell you about DRC. If you don't believe me, why don't you buy the TV first before arguing who has one and has more experience. Can't afford it? Then you have no room to argue about this so and so stated so. You still think I'm being a jerk because I am giving you right information? Then why don't you take yourself to Best Buy or Circuit City and ask those oh-so-helpful-highly-trained sales person about
the TV. Until then, if you want proof I will gladly give it to you or explain it to you. No need to be immature about it because you got corrected.

Hey - you've only given me bad attitude and what you say are facts.

Provide some links to backup your claims. Like a resolution chart of the 960 or 970 from a reliable source.

And you really are acting like a jerk.

Now, please call me immature again, it makes me giggle.
post #24 of 26
like.no.other. is like 15 years old, so give him a break. His hormones are all out of whack at that age.
post #25 of 26
Since this thread remains off topic, I'll interject a few comments. I consider myself one of the 20% like.no.other mentioned.

The 970, along with the Sony CRTs dating back to the XBR800 are all built upon the DA4 chassis. It is written on the rear label of the set.

The DA4 accepts 480i, 480p, 720p and 1080i inputs. They are all processed in one way or another. A very good discussion of this can be found here. There is a bit of clutter in the thread, but if you wade through it there is much to be learned. A number of the accepted CRT experts in AVSForum were involved in the thread and the players came to a general consensus on the subject.

The bottom line is that the DA4 chassis operates at a fixed scan rate for display. This scan rate is equivalent to 1080i/540p. All of the Sony technical documentation presented indicates that all input resolutions are eventually upconverted to 1080i for display. Kentech believes the DA4 can also scan at 540p due to his visual checks indicating that when DRC progressive is selected and/or a 480p input is displayed there is no indication of interlaced artifacts. I plan to check this theory by direct measurement of the vertical scan frequency while selecting the DRC options and changing input resolutions.

Note that a 1080i/540p display does not discount the 960i or 480p indications on the set during operation. The 960i or 480p repesents the output of the DRC. Further processing is done prior to display.

Horizontal resolution in CRTs is a difficult thing to quantify. A CRT scans with an analog trace and can't be directly compared to digital displays and pixel count. However, it is a fact that the XBR960 and XS955 with the SFP tube have a much higher horizontal resolution than the other members of the DA4 chassis family.
post #26 of 26
LOL @ this thread.

Quote:
Originally Posted by DerekinMerrick View Post

Hello, I have the sony xbr960 in my living room and a standard def sony tv in my bedroom. My question is with this Nintendo Wii does it even matter if its hooked up to the HD. Would it be the same in my bedroom as the 960?

Thanks

Anyways, The Sony KD-34XBR960 displays 480p natively which is Nintendo Wii's native resolution.
If your SDTV on your bedroom and it has component, the image will improve but not as good
as 480p on XBR960. The 960 has SFP tube which has the highest vertical resolution on a CRT TV.
So you will get 1440x480p compare to your SDTV's 640×480i.
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