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2007 Onkyo AVR (TX-NR905, TX-SR875,805,705,605,575,505) Anticipation Thread - Page 242

post #7231 of 7304
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Originally Posted by Vince2909 View Post

You can't get TrueHD or DD+ via bitstream...it has to be decoded in the player and then output as PCM to your receiver. That's as TrueHD as TrueHD can ever be...you're not missing a thing besides that little lite on the front of the 605. I don't believe any player is outputting bitstream via HDMI for decoding in the player...the reason the player is decoding the signal itself.


Hey Vince. Thanks for the input. I have done pretty extensive research and specifically chose the Toshiba A35 because it is the first HD player to be able to output the audio in bitstream format. So I am definitely missing something.
post #7232 of 7304
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Originally Posted by Trizz18 View Post

Hey Vince. Thanks for the input. I have done pretty extensive research and specifically chose the Toshiba A35 because it is the first HD player to be able to output the audio in bitstream format. So I am definitely missing something.

I might be mistaken, but I think what you're thinking of is the analog outputs the A35 features. That's not optical or HDMI...that's the 5+ separate RCA style connections...if you use those from your A35 to the receiver, you could then use the receiver to decode those formats. There's plenty of discussion going here about that topic.
post #7233 of 7304
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Originally Posted by originalsnuffy View Post

Brian-Mac;

with regard to digital inputs...I think the theory is that the hdmi replaces these over time.

For example; my dvd player does not need any digital inputs anymore given the hdmi. Same with the cable box.

Yes, most people think there will be a new flagship. There is also the separates option.

By the way, there is a third optical input...it is in the front and is linked only to aux 2. My guess it is for hooking up game consoles, which in my family seem to get unplugged and taken upstairs or to other locations all the time. So a front panel input makes sense.

I am sure you know about the three coax spdif inputs. Many devices have both optical and coax--like the cable box and the dvd player...which as mentioned also have the hdmi.

Interesting comment about the sound. I always like my Integra and like my 905...but most people here seemed to agonize over Onkyo vs. Denon on the sound issue. Of course personally I think the 905 sounds every bit as good as my upstairs Denon 3806. Both are quite wonderful, by the way.

I have found one reason for which I use optical and/or digital inputs in additions to HDMI. If one uses a wireless headphone (also 5.1 Dolby Digital), the alternate inputs are required as the sound via HDMI is NOT output through the system (optical output). One can use the optical output for wireless (or other need) headphone if the inputs are used in addition to HDMI.
post #7234 of 7304
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Originally Posted by Vince2909 View Post

I might be mistaken, but I think what you're thinking of is the analog outputs the A35 features. That's not optical or HDMI...that's the 5+ separate RCA style connections...if you use those from your A35 to the receiver, you could then use the receiver to decode those formats. There's plenty of discussion going here about that topic.


Hm I haven't heard anything about that. It seems strange though because the analog outputs would defeat the purpose of having an all digital connection for video and audio via hdmi.
post #7235 of 7304
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Originally Posted by Trizz18 View Post

Hm I haven't heard anything about that. It seems strange though because the analog outputs would defeat the purpose of having an all digital connection for video and audio via hdmi.

There's plenty on the forums on this topic, if you have some time to dedicate to doing some reading.

Here's one to start
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=738511

and another
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=900216
post #7236 of 7304
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Originally Posted by Vince2909 View Post

There's plenty on the forums on this topic, if you have some time to dedicate to doing some reading.

Here's one to start
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=738511

and another
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=900216

Hey Vince, I looked pretty carefully through these threads and did not see anything that indicated I needed to use RCA outputs in order to get Dolby true HD. Does anyone else have any other suggestions?
post #7237 of 7304
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Originally Posted by Trizz18 View Post

Hey Vince, I looked pretty carefully through these threads and did not see anything that indicated I needed to use RCA outputs in order to get Dolby true HD. Does anyone else have any other suggestions?


hmmm I stand corrected, must be a setting somewhere that's not "right"...

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Additionally, the HD-A35 offers 5.1 channel analog output and High Bit Rate Audio (up to 7.1 channel) via HDMI. With content encoded in 7.1ch, this advanced surround sound is achieved through the HDMI connection bypassing the player's internal audio processor and sending the signal to a 7.1 capable A/V receiver. High Bit Rate Audio will allow the consumer to integrate the HD-A35 with the latest multi-channel A/V receivers and enjoy a whole new dimension of high definition home entertainment.

http://www.tacp.toshiba.com/news/new...asp?newsid=173
post #7238 of 7304
The Toshiba HD-A35 with latest firmware, and the Samsung BD-P1400 with latest firmware will both send DTS-MA and Dolby TrueHD and Dolby+ vis bitstream over HDMI 1.3a to any receiver that can decode it. For example, the 805, since I own all three and have seen every one of those cases. And no matter what the going thought is, as far as my ears are concerned, the 805 makes better sound than having the player do it...

I thought this thread had died... what's up with that???
post #7239 of 7304
Question : can i use HDMI from PS3 to Onkyo then component from the Onkyo to my display?
post #7240 of 7304
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Originally Posted by Mr Man View Post

Question : can i use HDMI from PS3 to Onkyo then component from the Onkyo to my display?

No
post #7241 of 7304
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Originally Posted by Mr Man View Post

Question : can i use HDMI from PS3 to Onkyo then component from the Onkyo to my display?

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Originally Posted by Johnla View Post

No

pity.ive just realised the way around things would be .. HDMI from PS3 to Onkyo for audio & component from PS3 to display for video.
post #7242 of 7304
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Originally Posted by Mr Man View Post

pity.ive just realised the way around things would be .. HDMI from PS3 to Onkyo for audio & component from PS3 to display for video.

This is obviously the best way to get full bandwith for audio. However, is there any loss or difference in video component vs. HDMI direct from PS3 to a display?
post #7243 of 7304
Does anyone know if the 905 output to component when the input is HDMI ?
I could not get it to work.
post #7244 of 7304
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Originally Posted by sky-chicken View Post

Does anyone know if the 905 output to component when the input is HDMI ?
I could not get it to work.

It won't work. I don't think anyone does that. Probably HDMI licensing issue. The whole point of HDMI and HDCP is to keep the signal from being intercepted and recorded as analog.
post #7245 of 7304
I just got my 605 set up and, although complex, it was relatively straight forward. The one problem I have is that the method of opening the "hidden menu" (AUX + Power) doesn't do anything. Is there any other way of accessing this menu?
Thanks.
post #7246 of 7304
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Originally Posted by kgash View Post

I just got my 605 set up and, although complex, it was relatively straight forward. The one problem I have is that the method of opening the "hidden menu" (AUX + Power) doesn't do anything. Is there any other way of accessing this menu?
Thanks.

did u press this on the receiver or the remote?? you should press it on the receiver.
post #7247 of 7304
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Originally Posted by grubavs View Post

The Toshiba HD-A35 with latest firmware, and the Samsung BD-P1400 with latest firmware will both send DTS-MA and Dolby TrueHD and Dolby+ vis bitstream over HDMI 1.3a to any receiver that can decode it. For example, the 805, since I own all three and have seen every one of those cases. And no matter what the going thought is, as far as my ears are concerned, the 805 makes better sound than having the player do it...

I thought this thread had died... what's up with that???

Can you matrix the True HD soundtrack into 7.1 with the 805?
post #7248 of 7304
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Originally Posted by csrini1 View Post

did u press this on the receiver or the remote?? you should press it on the receiver.

Thanks, one gets so used to using the remote for everything, so it is easy to forget that there are controls on the receiver.
post #7249 of 7304
I was at Fry's Electronics. I've been putting off getting a new receiver, but they have it for $699 and that seems like a good deal. I was going to buy the 705 on-line for about $100 less. WDYT? Is it worth $100 more. I don't need 3 zones. Also, why does the 805 weigh so much more than the 705?
post #7250 of 7304
Im a noob.. how do I re set my 605 to factory specs? I looked all over.... thanks in advance
post #7251 of 7304
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Originally Posted by nagzul View Post

Im a noob.. how do I re set my 605 to factory specs? I looked all over.... thanks in advance

Not quite.........maybe if you'd look on page 96 of your owner's manual, you'd see this standing out as the very first item in trouble shooting:

If you can't resolve the issue yourself, try resetting
the AV receiver/AV amplifier before contacting your
Onkyo dealer.
To reset the AV receiver/AV amplifier to its factory
defaults, turn it on and, while holding down the
[VCR/DVR] button, press the [STANDBY/ON] button.
Clear will appear on the display and the AV
receiver/AV amplifier will enter Standby mode.
Note that resetting the AV receiver/AV amplifier will
delete your radio presets and custom settings.
post #7252 of 7304
strange, that is no where on my page 96. < just some remote controller stuff> appreciate the help
post #7253 of 7304
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Originally Posted by nagzul View Post

strange, that is no where on my page 96. < just some remote controller stuff> appreciate the help

My bad....slip of the old finger . My post was at 2:14 AM my time....a few cobwebs . Try page 94
post #7254 of 7304
As FYI, Amazon has a great deal on the '605 for 30 bucks under 4 C notes.
post #7255 of 7304
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Originally Posted by steven_b46 View Post

I was at Fry's Electronics. I've been putting off getting a new receiver, but they have it for $699 and that seems like a good deal. I was going to buy the 705 on-line for about $100 less. WDYT? Is it worth $100 more. I don't need 3 zones. Also, why does the 805 weigh so much more than the 705?

There are some significant differences in the 705 and the 805. The 805 adds the Burr-Brown 192/24-bit DAC on all Channels and adds 30w per channel also. It has a higher level of THX certification if that matters to you. I know the 805 will matrix a 5.1 signal to 7.1 if you have a 7.1 setup. I'm not sure if the 705 does this. I think the weight difference is due to a more robust power supply. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

The first page of this thread gives a good comparison:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...o+anticipation
post #7256 of 7304
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Originally Posted by jhe View Post

It won't work. I don't think anyone does that. Probably HDMI licensing issue. The whole point of HDMI and HDCP is to keep the signal from being intercepted and recorded as analog.

Thanks for the input

-sky
post #7257 of 7304
If I can get the Denon AVR 3808ci or the TXSR875 for approximately the same price, which one should I get and why? Cnet seems to rate the Denon model very high. I am concerned about video processing as much as sound quality. I know this thread appears partial to Onkyo products but now that they are out, which one of the afore mentioned models is best? I am a bit new to audiophilia and this site, but want to get off to a good start by replacing my older non-HDMI Pioneer VSX-1014tx and am looking to boost my Samsung LNT 4065 1080p Samsung's abilities. I have a PS3 60 gb and a Toshiba HD DVD HD-A2. Your suggestions would be appreciated.
Laubach
post #7258 of 7304
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Originally Posted by laubachs View Post

If I can get the Denon AVR 3808ci or the TXSR875 for approximately the same price, which one should I get and why? Cnet seems to rate the Denon model very high. I am concerned about video processing as much as sound quality. I know this thread appears partial to Onkyo products but now that they are out, which one of the afore mentioned models is best? I am a bit new to audiophilia and this site, but want to get off to a good start by replacing my older non-HDMI Pioneer VSX-1014tx and am looking to boost my Samsung LNT 4065 1080p Samsung's abilities. I have a PS3 60 gb and a Toshiba HD DVD HD-A2. Your suggestions would be appreciated.
Laubach

I too have been wondering the exact same thing. Also i'd like to add the Yamaha 3800
post #7259 of 7304
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Originally Posted by laubachs View Post

If I can get the Denon AVR 3808ci or the TXSR875 for approximately the same price, which one should I get and why? Cnet seems to rate the Denon model very high. I am concerned about video processing as much as sound quality. I know this thread appears partial to Onkyo products but now that they are out, which one of the afore mentioned models is best? I am a bit new to audiophilia and this site, but want to get off to a good start by replacing my older non-HDMI Pioneer VSX-1014tx and am looking to boost my Samsung LNT 4065 1080p Samsung's abilities. I have a PS3 60 gb and a Toshiba HD DVD HD-A2. Your suggestions would be appreciated.
Laubach

If you are not a audiophilia geek, you don't need none of those, spend as little as possible on the receiver and spend more money on the speakers, bcos that's what matters!! agreed you won't get the durr-dacc brown or reon chips etc, but if you have a hdtv/lcd tv(720p and above), that should be good enough....
and again this information is only house-hold entertainment.
post #7260 of 7304
I already have 7.1 speakers that I may upgrade down the road Sony SS-B3000 x6 and ss-cn550H. These were very highly rated low end speakers and will probably stick with them for the time being. My desire for a higher end reciever is to upgrade my audio processing via HDMI and video processing via HDMI (to get the most out of my Sony 400 DVD disc changer SD DVD collection) on my Samsung LNT 4065 1080p. My older non-HDMI Pioneer VSX-1014tx has only 3 optical inlets (one in front) and cannot process sound to get the most of my sound sytem.

I am leaning toward the TXSR875 for sound quality and video upscaling. My friend is a professional a/v home system installer (side business that he can use to write off his homes $30,000 system) and pointed me toward the Denon AVR 3808ci (fli 2301) which he can get me at his cost ($1000) and has all the professional calibration tools to set it up properly. He is not sure if he can get the Onkyo reciever (at cost)and is not as familiar with it (HQV Reon-VX--are the FW problems solved with this processor?) as the Denon reciever.

My friend says that there are very high end Faroudja video processors as well. It just depends on what is installed in the reciever (I believe the Denon has the fli 2301?). My real question is the quality of these two recievers video processors in uspscaling SD-dvd).

Though I am not an audiophilia geek yet (understanding all the terminology), I am definitely a research geek when buying electronics and don't want another obsolete reciever in a couple of years.
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