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post #1 of 23
Thread Starter 
Is Monster Cable wire justified to use for the surrounds as well as the mains and center or is using a good quality 14 or 16 gauge sufficient for the surrounds?
post #2 of 23
14 gauge wire will be fine. www.monoprice.com for wire.
post #3 of 23
Thread Starter 
I got a pm that said Monster is all hype and 14 gauge is all that's needed for the whole system...any thoughts on that anyone?
post #4 of 23
depends who pm you, how good is your hearing and your electronics and speakers
post #5 of 23
affected, as you might guess this question has come up before, again and again. search here or on google for speaker wire and you can read all you want.

short answer is, you got your answer, the money is better spent elsewhere in your system.
post #6 of 23
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Originally Posted by Affected Reality View Post

I got a pm that said Monster is all hype and 14 gauge is all that's needed for the whole system...any thoughts on that anyone?

Monster is overpriced, overhyped, and hated (from their actions).

Posts have shown that their products have failed early in their lives.

My experience with Monster speaker wire is the strands break when you strip the wire (no other wire has done that to me).

You definately need good wire/cable to handle the job:
1. big enough to handle the load/distance
2. quality to not go bad over time
3. correct kind of wire for the job (in-wall)
4. quality wire for the install (not using cheap stuff on a tube gear)

Avoid/boycott Moster; look at other quality brands.
post #7 of 23
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Originally Posted by cpu8088 View Post

depends who pm you, how good is your hearing and your electronics and speakers

Hearing makes a difference in this case? Huh? You seem to be indicating that if he had super hearing that his choice will have an audible difference? Do you really think there will be an audible difference between good 14Ga and some Monster Cable?

Also, how does whomever PMd him make a difference? If the poster who PMed him is someone you respect than its true that Monster is hype but if its someone you dont than its not true Monster is hype...

Whats up here?
post #8 of 23
What's up? Nothing, move along people, nothing to see here.

Who knows, maybe someone is bored with golf and decided to play the "AVS Speaker Forum Game" - you know, the one where you start yet another thread about speaker wire and see how long people here keep it going.
post #9 of 23
yeah, the original question was pretty silly.
post #10 of 23
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Originally Posted by buzzy_ View Post

affected, as you might guess this question has come up before, again and again. search here or on google for speaker wire and you can read all you want.

short answer is, you got your answer, the money is better spent elsewhere in your system.



Sorry if I rattled your cage. I know I could Google and read all I want. With that attitude, what is the need for a forum such as this? As has been stated by more than a few on here, the search engine here is lacking. I thought this was a "discussion" forum. Those that choose to reply can do so...those that think a person should rely on a search engine, can just scroll on by, wouldn't you agree.
post #11 of 23
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Originally Posted by Bruins29 View Post

Also, how does whomever PMd him make a difference? If the poster who PMed him is someone you respect than its true that Monster is hype but if its someone you dont than its not true Monster is hype...

Whats up here?


I'm sure you meant "then"
post #12 of 23
Thread Starter 
Well...I took your advice and did a search...the results gave me every single speaker owner's thread on the forum. Now all I have to do is dig down through these Speaker Owner's forums and find some discussion of what I am asking. Great search engine. Thanks for the tip. You'll probably be glad I won't be asking anymore "silly" questions because I'll be tied up the next few days digging.


BTW...sorry you didn't find all your eggs.
post #13 of 23
Oops, what I meant was, buy the more expensive ones - Monster Cables aren't good enough for someone like you.
post #14 of 23
Or anyone.. :P
post #15 of 23
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by cpu8088 View Post

depends who pm you, how good is your hearing and your electronics and speakers



Thank you DJ for your response above.




CPU: Thank you also...as for who I will skip that one...my hearing is good on my right side and pretty bad on my left. My electronics are the Yamaha RX-V 659, Yamaha 777 mains, 444 center, Velodyne VRP 1200 sub, and RCA PRO LX-550's for the surrounds.
post #16 of 23
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Originally Posted by buzzy_ View Post

Oops, what I meant was, buy the more expensive ones - Monster Cables aren't good enough for someone like you.



I don't come here to argue...obviously you do. Feel better now?
post #17 of 23
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Originally Posted by Bruins29 View Post

yeah, the original question was pretty silly.


Well...I couldn't decide if I wanted to ask this one or the one about how far apart to place my mains. Guess I'll save that one for another day when you and "buzzy" are feeling better.
post #18 of 23
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Originally Posted by Bruins29 View Post

Hearing makes a difference in this case? Huh? You seem to be indicating that if he had super hearing that his choice will have an audible difference? Do you really think there will be an audible difference between good 14Ga and some Monster Cable?

in this hobby it is all about visual and audio. regarding audio hearing is paramount have you ever tried describing sonic differences to a deaf person?

what is a good 14ga cable in your opinion? if there is good there must be bad so there will be differences dont you think?

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Originally Posted by Bruins29 View Post

Also, how does whomever PMd him make a difference? If the poster who PMed him is someone you respect than its true that Monster is hype but if its someone you dont than its not true Monster is hype...

Whats up here?

just like to know who he/she is

i dont respect anyone sending secret pms without posting to the public.
post #19 of 23
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Originally Posted by oldschool4life View Post

Monster is overpriced, overhyped, and hated (from their actions).

Posts have shown that their products have failed early in their lives.

wait until you try out the sigma and m series


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Originally Posted by oldschool4life View Post

My experience with Monster speaker wire is the strands break when you strip the wire (no other wire has done that to me).

be careful when you handle monster cables.

unless the strands of other wires are harder than your cutting instruments by physics they will break too


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Originally Posted by oldschool4life View Post

You definately need good wire/cable to handle the job:
1. big enough to handle the load/distance
2. quality to not go bad over time
3. correct kind of wire for the job (in-wall)
4. quality wire for the install (not using cheap stuff on a tube gear)

Avoid/boycott Moster; look at other quality brands.

arent all cables sound the same? so there is no need to avoid or boycott monster

wonder where this hatred comes from unless someone always prefer those cheapo or fakes from china.
post #20 of 23
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Originally Posted by cpu8088 View Post

wait until you try out the sigma and m series

I'm talking about all of their products: like the amps failing after two days (and the like)

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be careful when you handle monster cables.

unless the strands of other wires are harder than your cutting instruments by physics they will break too

I've used every thing from cheap crimpers to quality strippers; same results - Monster breaks & others don't.

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arent all cables sound the same? so there is no need to avoid or boycott monster

wonder where this hatred comes from unless someone always prefer those cheapo or fakes from china.

You boycott Monster due to their actions (out-rite being bullies to companies trying to control a common word). You don't see other wire companies suing people...

I don't get involved in the "sound the same' arguement; I get good cabling and not have to worry if the el-cheapo stuff will let me down or not. I have said before that I hope you're not running piano finish speakers with lamp cord (that's just ghetto-looking).

Since I don't buy anything on eBay, I couldn't tell you what the fakes are...

PS: This just in; Tara-Labs is gonna sue the place where my doctor sends my blood sample to be analyzed.

post #21 of 23
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Originally Posted by oldschool4life View Post

I'm talking about all of their products: like the amps failing after two days (and the like)

great effort by you summarized the posts in avs and make your conclusion. many other products can fail after 2 days in use too so this problem is not unique to monsters


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I've used every thing from cheap crimpers to quality strippers; same results - Monster breaks & others don't.

try again and again until the skill is mastered

if other cables will not break how are you going to cut them into different lengths?

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You boycott Monster due to their actions (out-rite being bullies to companies trying to control a common word). You don't see other wire companies suing people...

they havent done that yet does not mean they wont do it in the future

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I don't get involved in the "sound the same' arguement; I get good cabling and not have to worry if the el-cheapo stuff will let me down or not. I have said before that I hope you're not running piano finish speakers with lamp cord (that's just ghetto-looking).

Since I don't buy anything on eBay, I couldn't tell you what the fakes are...

PS: This just in; Tara-Labs is gonna sue the place where my doctor sends my blood sample to be analyzed.



nobody is mentioning ebay. there are b&m shops and different internet sites selling fake cables too somewhere in this world albeit limited to america
post #22 of 23
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Originally Posted by cpu8088 View Post

great effort by you summarized the posts in avs and make your conclusion. many other products can fail after 2 days in use too so this problem is not unique to monsters

You're right; I've had chronic problems with an Alpine car tape deck which made me kinda not buy their products for a while (even thought they make good stuff).

Problem is, I've owned enough Pioneer gear to say that they have not let me down (nor read about problems about them a whole lot here); fact is, the guy bought Monster amps (failed), bought some more, and they failed as well.

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try again and again until the skill is mastered

Even with the cheap crimpers, I had a technique; one set to strip, one set to crimp, and one set to cut (this was back in the day of course). I have nicer tools now...

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if other cables will not break how are you going to cut them into different lengths?

I'm talking about the strands; it's a pet-peeve when even just one strand breaks off.

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they havent done that yet does not mean they wont do it in the future

I highly doubt Pioneer will sue to control it's common word...

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nobody is mentioning ebay. there are b&m shops and different internet sites selling fake cables too somewhere in this world albeit limited to america

I don't buy from eBay; I don't buy from most (if not all) of those internet sites.

To me, it's all the same...

Do you have the names of the fake products???

...I will definately keep my eyes open on that.

Any links???
post #23 of 23
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Originally Posted by djpheer View Post

14 gauge wire will be fine. www.monoprice.com for wire.

Hell, go really cheap. Just cut the plugs off some old extension cords. Wirenut enough of them together and you'll get 'em long enough for surround duty.

Try to find some nice bright orange, "high visibility" ones.
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