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My wife made a bargain with me to turn my den into a workout room. In exchange I get to get new equipment to place in the living room (about 18 X 14 x 10, but it communicates directly into the dining room). Her main caveat is that the look be as uncluttered as possible. She wants all wires and all speakers as much as possible to be in the wall.

The set-up I had in the den was very rudimentary and cobbled together. I'm sorry I don't remember the model numbers. I have a Sony receiver (110 watt surround sound), a Cerwin Vega subwoofer, a Bose center speaker, two Infinity small size (but not quite bookshelf) front speakers, and two Polk rear bookshelf speakers. To give an idea of the models, I think all of the speakers cost around $100 except the Bose which was around $200.

Can anyone give me any advice on what to get for the living room? If they are not too crappy for this use, I would like to keep the receiver, and maybe the sub and the center speaker. So that means basically 4 new in-wall (to satisfy my wife's uncluttered request) front L-R and rear speakers. If you folks think that I'd be better served by scrapping all or some of my other components I'd be open to those suggestions as well.

I'd like to spend maybe $800 to $1500, although suggestions up to $2000 would be welcomed if you think they're well worth it.

My main use is for home theater, although I do listen to music (however, a lot of my music is labeled "lo-fi" so it is really the home theater aspects I am most interested in).

Thanks for any help you can provide.
post #2 of 16
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No help from anyone? My existing equipment is just too uninspiring for you guys?
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post #4 of 16
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Thanks. What about the receiver? Will that work at all?
post #5 of 16
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Thanks. What about the receiver? Will that work at all?

Don't know what receiver you have.
post #6 of 16
Thread Starter 
It's a Sony STR-DE897
post #7 of 16
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It's a Sony STR-DE897

That receiver should be fine. Just don't pick speakers with less then 8 ohms.

Regular small bookshelf speakers wouldn't work.

Like these. Wall mountable

http://www.svsound.com/products-sys-sbs_white.cfm
post #8 of 16
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My wife wants them as hidden as possible. Those Polks look like they would hide real well into our white walls. I don't know where I could preview them though, but with my low demands they probably will sound good to me. They sell them from Amazon for pretty good prices.

I will probably have the center speaker in the entertainment center so it can be normal sized. Since you don't think much of my Bose and Cerwin Vega, any ideas about centers and sub in my price range ($200 to $400).
post #9 of 16
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I will probably have the center speaker in the entertainment center so it can be normal sized. Since you don't think much of my Bose and Cerwin Vega, any ideas about centers and sub in my price range ($200 to $400).

Whatever speaker you choose for your mains you can also use as a center channel. Keep the three main speakers timbre matched for better sound quality.

Sub

www.svsound.com

www.hsuresearch.com
post #10 of 16
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Originally Posted by mazersteven View Post

Whatever speaker you choose for your mains you can also use as a center channel. Keep the three main speakers timbre matched for better sound quality.

Sub

www.svsound.com

www.hsuresearch.com

What is "timbre matched"?
post #11 of 16
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What is "timbre matched"?

Timbre matching

Using all of the same loudspeakers in a home theater system is the optimum setup in order to achieve the best timbre matching, which is a term used to indicate that each loudspeaker in a home theater system has the same sound characteristics and, therefore, sound equivalent. The advantage of a timbre-matched home theater system is that you get a sense of audio realism, almost like actually being there. The loudspeakers seem to disappear into sort of an audio transparency. When this happens the user's attention is drawn to the presentation itself.
post #12 of 16
Ckhusker - Hello! In response to Polk Audio being one of your possible selections, I'll suggest the TC/SC series for general HT. The RC series is eventually going to be replaced and it might be a good idea to keep your eye on for deals for this series online or thru an authorized retailer/etailer. The warranty guidelines concerning Polk Audio products are on our homepage.

That being said, the alternative choices of Speakercraft and Niles are also quite suitable for your application. They are very popular in the commercial home installation business and I have nothing negative to say about their products. What would it really matter? It's you that needs to be happy in the end.

Demo's of in-walls are usually problematic wherever you go and its unfortunate. I believe that its what HT will end up being and is definetly what I plan on doing in my next home. That's when I grow another me, and start bringing more money in the house

I think that Mazersteven has provided some great suggestions and direction. The best suggestion is that you maintain the same speakers, timbre, for your front stage. The rear speakers are less important at this juncture and budget. It will be much more fun to upgrade your HT in steps than it would be in one flash....let alone the savings in your pocket. Don't feel rushed, have fun.

If you have any other questions or comments, just drop me a line. I try to be vigilant in thread followup, so if you need help fast, my contact information is displayed on my name.

Good luck!

Mark
post #13 of 16
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Well, I had a consult with an install guy and between what he thought was feasible and what my wife thought was acceptable the idea now is to go to in ceiling. This makes me nervous because it seems that the sound source will be so far away from the TV, but the guy feels that with aiming the speakers, etc., he can make it sound right.

Based on the advice, I'll probably look at something like the TC610i's and just cross my fingers.

Thanks again for the help.
post #14 of 16
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Originally Posted by Fish5000 View Post

Well, I had a consult with an install guy and between what he thought was feasible and what my wife thought was acceptable the idea now is to go to in ceiling. This makes me nervous because it seems that the sound source will be so far away from the TV, but the guy feels that with aiming the speakers, etc., he can make it sound right.

Based on the advice, I'll probably look at something like the TC610i's and just cross my fingers.

Thanks again for the help.

I recommend going with Speakercraft AIM8 Threes for your mains.

I do not recommend going with an in-ceiling speaker where only the tweeter can be aim'd.
post #15 of 16
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I was wondering myself about the Polks reference to rotating tweeters and whether that would be enough. You continue to point me in good directions.

I know now we may be getting into the area of the extremely subjective, but I notice that the Aim8 Three is somewhat pushing my price range. I might just bite the bullet and get them, but if anyone knows, how do these compare to: (1) Aim8 Two or (2) Aim7 Three? Obviously both would be inferior so the only answer I can really expect is something along the lines of "huge" difference, "minor" difference, "I've heard the Twos and they are also nice" or anything like that.
post #16 of 16
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Originally Posted by Fish5000 View Post

I was wondering myself about the Polks reference to rotating tweeters and whether that would be enough. You continue to point me in good directions.

I know now we may be getting into the area of the extremely subjective, but I notice that the Aim8 Three is somewhat pushing my price range. I might just bite the bullet and get them, but if anyone knows, how do these compare to: (1) Aim8 Two or (2) Aim7 Three? Obviously both would be inferior so the only answer I can really expect is something along the lines of "huge" difference, "minor" difference, "I've heard the Twos and they are also nice" or anything like that.

The AIM8 Three's are more detailed then the One's and Two's. When watching Master and Commander. The cannon fire sounded incredible with the Three's. Also the creaking of the upper deck while the scene was below decks. With the One's and Two's those details did not show. To me they where lifeless. For music the AIM8 Three's really shine over the One's and Two's with Clarity, and Detail.
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