THE Ultimate HD-DVD receiver!! $399! - Page 8

that's the way i understand it. i read some rumors of some HD DVD players in the future giving the option to bypass decoding in the player, thereby throwing away the mixing of menu/interactive sounds, but those are just rumors. i don't know why you'd want to do that anyway.

i was going to wait to by an HDMI 1.3 receiver until i did some research. then i ended up getting a Denon 2807 because i could find no advantage in HDMI 1.3 as far as HD DVD is concerned. i also think that once blue-ray gets the BD Java thing ironed out, those discs will start being authored "advanced' as well.

obviously if you're in the market for a new HDMI receiver, getting the latest and greatest is the way to go, but there's no reason to replace a 1.1 receiver with a 1.3 receiver as far as i can tell.

yes, we're in agreement - i was scanning the posts quickly, and misread your post as implying that the 605 would be preferred due to TrueHD support. I was pointing out what you were - that if someone is going to pair the AVR with an A2 or A20, the 604 was just as good a solution because those players are incapable of sending TrueHD natively.

sure it supports TrueHD, but it can't send it..

sorry for any confusion.

This is from Dolby (my bold):



And, of course, the importance of the very last sentence should not be minimized. Why there's such a push for receiver decoding is puzzling, but I do believe it goes back to the old formats/situation. It's a new game...

http://www.dolby.com/consumer/techno...HD_avrs_3.html

^^^ ahhh, that's what it was. the disc would allow bypassing not the player. thanks Jack.

Yeah... thanks guys. The sad thing is this thread went 8 pages with joffer mentioning it several times and it seemed to go right over the top of everybody's heads. It kinda makes most of the 605's new features useless, at least for the time being.

Everybody? From page 2...

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&#post10262986

Maybe I missed a memo but this receiver doesn't really bring anything new with regards to HD DVD. Can the XA2 send out a TrueHD bitstream from a disc authored in advanced mode? To my knowledge most (all?) software released to date is authored in advanced mode. I'm under the impression all HD DVD audio has to be decoded in the player because of the authoring mode, it has nothing to do with HDMI 1.3 or lack there of. Can the XA2 work around this?

EDIT-->Slow typer I see it is now coming to light.

For those who have HDMI receivers...

I had to buy a new receiver around this time last year due to my old one breaking (Aiwa) and went out and purchased a Onkyo TX-SR503. I could have paid a bit more and gotten one with HDMI, but since my TV didn't have HDMI inputs, I decided to go the cheaper route.

I later purchased an HD-A2... which I'm very happy with, but I have no way of getting TrueHD on the few titles that I have with it. I also intend on getting a PS3 next month, and I have a TON of titles with PCM or DTS-HD MA and no way of listening to them either... so, while I hate to spend the money on a new receiver when I'm happy with mine, pre-ordering allows me the ability to get a machine capable of getting the TrueHD from my HD-A2, PCM from the PS3, and should allow me the ability to get DTS-HD MA from the PS3 soon (hopefully) as well as 1080p pass through for when I get that new 1080p TV late this year for only a little more than what I paid for for the SR503 last year.

In other words, if you don't have an HDMI receiver, this is a pretty good deal...

~Alan

You said the core was DTS-HD. That's simply not true. The DTS-HD Master Audio and DTS-HD High Resolution Audio core is the regular DTS Digital Surround at 1.509Mbs. If the HD player (HDMI 1.1 to HDMI 1.2) can't process internally the DTS-HD High Resolution Audio or DTS-HD Master Audio, it will only output regular DTS as bitstream or PCM converted.

This method of DTS extensions over the core (regular DTS Digital Surround) is for compatibility with legacy equipment when the source or receiver/preamp can't access the HD extensions avoiding transcoding.

http://www.dtsonline.com/dts-hd/dts-...-and-hddvd.php

I went to Onkyo's website and looked at the 604 and extrapolated. It looks like you need an 874 or higher to have pre-outs in the last gen.

The fact they omit pre-out in the specs is another sign.

i am trying to understand all of this...but dayum

Yes.... maybe you missed it. I mislabeled it. I made a mistake. You already let me know once. I admitted the mistake, then clarified the "core" I was speaking of, then zhaofl corrected me also, see below:


My issue is when you (HiRes_PR) come in here quoting my thread and claiming everyone here is confused and don't elaborate on anything more than a simple teminology slip, and then you yourself go on to quote incorrect data rates, then edit your post as if you never made a mistake in your life.

I am all about ongoing dialogue and discussion, and I am not afraid to admit a mistake if I make one. What I do not like is know it alls who come into the discussion and chip apart others typos, mispellings, and minor mistakes, claiming everyone here is confused, and then not bringing anything to the table. In fact, I find it quite rude.

While it may not be needed with the Tosh players - when cheaper Chinese players show up with perhapns no 5.1 decoding of the lossless formats - this receiver will come in handy. To me its all about having options ...

This is exactly why I'll be buying this receiver.

I'm not perfect so I have a doubt.

Does the HD-XA2 manual states it can pass Dolby TrueHD through the HDMI? What about DTS-HD or DTS-HD MA? I'm asking because it's not online on the Toshiba website to verify this.

I'm really curious about that. The pass through of newer audio codecs is not a function of the HDMI 1.3 chip but the Broadcom chip to manage all player functions.

Not sure. But I'd not characterize the broadcom chip as the one that manages all player functions. But , if the chip only outputs decoded stream, then ofcourse there is nothing much the player firmware can do - but I'd guess that broadcom chip would be able to output non-decoded bitstream.

The Broadcom chip is the player audio and video extraction manager from HD discs. It's the one who "see" all audio codecs available on disc and process the 3 video codecs. It supports all Dolby codecs as well as DTS and DTS-HD. But there are many unclear variables here regarding the behavior of players. And no one really knows if the current HDMI 1.3 equiped sources will work with the lossless codecs through this connection.

My advise to everybody is to wait until these Onkyo receivers are tested for HDMI 1.3 transmission for all advanced audio codecs with current players.

Its gone, now its for $499. Feel lucky that i got my pre order in yesterday. But its on backordered, hopefully they dont cancel it.

I'm probably going to grab a 705...unless something better comes out before my house is done in sept/oct

Sounds good, but it's tough to imagine 1.3-compliant players (necessary to send the bitstream, of course) not having such decoding. As I posted a couple times it's likely that many discs will require in-player decoding. This would make decoding mandatory in any HD-DVD player, I'd think. I suppose it's also possible that these hypothetical really-cheap players just won't provide lossless sound, only downsampled lossy tracks.

Again, it's not the same as DD/DTS from 10 years ago, where players dropped decoding once receivers had the capability. This stuff works differently, and doesn't require those 6 analog-outs everyone hated.

http://www.dolby.com/consumer/techno...HD_avrs_3.html

Was anyone able to order this over the phone at the $399 price? They obviously realized that there was some interest in the 605 and raised the price.

First rule of online buying at a low price... NEVER CALL!!!!

You bring attention to a price point that may not be correct.

SD rule #1

Actually it's not uncommon to raise a Preorder price to slow demand once you know your initial allocation is spoken for. I think they'll wait til they order up their 2nd allocation/Increase their initial. I think even Amazon will have a Lower shipping price once they get it in stock. They have the MSRP up as a Place holder.

Oh, I didn't call. I preordered the day it was announced here

I in turn ordered one on line yesterday at 4:07 pm. Had received the 604B just two weeks ago and still have not dialed it in all the way. Just contacted Amazon about sending it back. I in turn hope the pre-orders go through.

This thing looks AWESOME!

Mongo

So has it been confirmed yet whether the 605 will do PCM 7.1 over HDMI?

Crutchfield has all of their current Onkyo receivers on sale. So it won't be long before the new ones are up. I returned a 674 to them earlier this week after I read about the new line. Also, I realized I didn't really need the 674 because the 604 (and now 605) will do everything I need it to do.

The 604 seem to do it, it have 7.1 IN and HDMI section of the Manual specify MULTICHANNEL HDMI upto 96khz/24bit, so it's pretty much a give that the 605, newer model, will also do it..

Some decoding is mandatory according to the specs. I expect entry level players to provide just that - though as you say HDMI 1.3 is unlikely.

Let me put it this way. If I'm buying a receiver for the next 5 years, I'd like that to have HDMI 1.3 and decoding for the new codecs.