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post #31 of 590
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Originally Posted by rickforrest View Post

Where does it say upconversion?

Take a look at JR.com specs.
post #32 of 590
They left out the GPS direction finder.
post #33 of 590
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Originally Posted by CMRA View Post

They left out the GPS direction finder.

That's what I call HD DVD support.
post #34 of 590
I'm assuming this receiver would, but confirmation would be nice. If I output PCM soundtrack that is decoded from my A2 in True HD to the receiver via HDMI, then would the 605 apply the bass management for the LFE track automatically? If this is the case, then would me using the (lower model) 505 to do this be the same type of thing (i.e. apply BM on LFE) albeit the decoding is happening in the A2 and not in the receiver? Also can I matrix all my 5.1 LPCM tracks to 7.1 via HDMI finally?

Shakini.
post #35 of 590
Why you'd want to matrix 5.1 to 7.1 is beyond me. It really sounds much WORSE.

Remember kiddies: "more" does not always equal "better."
post #36 of 590
I want it! Might have to sell my new receiver I got, lol. Damn you electronics! Making me go broke all the time!
post #37 of 590
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Originally Posted by DigitalfreakNYC View Post

Why you'd want to matrix 5.1 to 7.1 is beyond me. It really sounds much WORSE.

Remember kiddies: "more" does not always equal "better."

Ok, if it really does sound 'much worse' then I will go back to using 5.1.

Any confirmation of if these new line of receivers can apply Bass management to the PCM channels via HDMI? I remember the 604 having issues with doing that correctly.

Shakini.
post #38 of 590
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BTW, You really need an XA2 and not an A2 to take advantage of this receiver right? The receiver being HDMI 1.3, I'm assuming only the XA2 can pass over the Dolby TrueHD and DTS Master Audio because it has 1.3. Am I correct in this assumption? I was going to get an A2, but because of this receiver (and the wonderful upconverting Reon chip), I think this cements the XA2 for me.
post #39 of 590
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Originally Posted by dpak2005 View Post

BTW, You really need an XA2 and not an A2 to take advantage of this receiver right? The receiver being HDMI 1.3, I'm assuming only the XA2 can pass over the Dolby TrueHD and DTS Master Audio because it has 1.3. Am I correct in this assumption? I was going to get an A2, but because of this receiver (and the wonderful upconverting Reon chip), I think this cements the XA2 for me.

That can't be right. The A2 and A20 should work fine unless I'm mistaken.
post #40 of 590
Can I have an HDMI switcher connected to this reciever via HDMI and then the reciever plugged into the HDTV? That way I only have to use one sound setting and have no need to buy the more expensive models because they have more inputs...
post #41 of 590
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Originally Posted by Adam_ME View Post

That can't be right. The A2 and A20 should work fine unless I'm mistaken.

I think they'll work but they'll pass through already player-encoded THD and DTS MA through PCM analog. If you want the receiver to take the digital stream and encode it, you'll need an XA2. HDMI 1.2 does not have the bandwith to send undecoded THD and DTS MA along with 1080p video, that's why HDMI 1.3 is necessary.
post #42 of 590
Looks like I found my next receiver.
post #43 of 590
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Originally Posted by dpak2005 View Post

I think they'll work but they'll pass through already player-encoded THD and DTS MA through PCM analog. If you want the receiver to take the digital stream and encode it, you'll need an XA2. HDMI 1.2 does not have the bandwith to send undecoded THD and DTS MA along with 1080p video, that's why HDMI 1.3 is necessary.

I'm confused...can I get TrueHD with my A2 and a 605? I currently have a 604 and need to figure out what to do.
post #44 of 590
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Originally Posted by jiggyblau View Post

I'm confused...can I get TrueHD with my A2 and a 605? I currently have a 604 and need to figure out what to do.

Yes you can. Your A2 can decode the TrueHD in the player, and then pass that through HDMI PCM to the receiver. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong on this. I'm assuming it can't be passed on undecoded digitally through HDMI 1.2 that the A2 has (you'd need 1.3 and an XA2 for that).
post #45 of 590
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Originally Posted by dpak2005 View Post

I think they'll work but they'll pass through already player-encoded THD and DTS MA through PCM analog.

But won't the True HD sound relatively the same?
post #46 of 590
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Originally Posted by Scoob View Post

But won't the True HD sound relatively the same?

Should be pretty close to the same. In theory, it's better to have the receiver do the decoding, because you want to have digital as far along the way as possible. That's why HDMI 1.3 was created, to handle 1080p video PLUS TrueHD and DTS MA over HDMI.
post #47 of 590
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Originally Posted by Mr. Cinema View Post

Looks like I found my next receiver.

As have I.

I wonder if after launch it will be available (somewhere) cheaper than $399.
post #48 of 590
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Originally Posted by dpak2005 View Post

I think they'll work but they'll pass through already player-encoded THD and DTS MA through PCM analog. If you want the receiver to take the digital stream and encode it, you'll need an XA2. HDMI 1.2 does not have the bandwith to send undecoded THD and DTS MA along with 1080p video, that's why HDMI 1.3 is necessary.

Actually it's not a bandwidth thing at all, it's a protocol thing. PCM is MUCH larger than the advanced codecs--it's uncompressed, and therefore the largest, highest-bandwidth version of sound possible. And HDMI 1.1 has plenty of bandwidth to transmit 8 channels of PCM audio AND 1080p video.

But what HDMI 1.1 and 1.2 don't support is transmitting the still-compressed (smaller!) audio from the player to the receiver. You need 1.3 for that. However, the audio still has to be decoded in the player if you want to mix menu sound effects or PiP audio with it, so having the Receiver decode it instead isn't a huge advantage anyway.
post #49 of 590
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Originally Posted by geko29 View Post

Actually it's not a bandwidth thing at all, it's a protocol thing. PCM is MUCH larger than the advanced codecs--it's uncompressed, and therefore the largest, highest-bandwidth version of sound possible. And HDMI 1.1 has plenty of bandwidth to transmit 8 channels of PCM audio AND 1080p video.

But what HDMI 1.1 and 1.2 don't support is transmitting the still-compressed (smaller!) audio from the player to the receiver. You need 1.3 for that. However, the audio still has to be decoded in the player if you want to mix menu sound effects or PiP audio with it, so having the Receiver decode it instead isn't a huge advantage anyway.

Except that it might sound better when the receiver is receiving a digital THD or DTS MA signal and passing it straight to the speakers, rather than the player decoding it then passing it to the receiver and on to the speakers.
post #50 of 590
Anyone know if it has full preouts to use a separate power amp?
post #51 of 590
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Originally Posted by dpak2005 View Post

Except that it might sound better when the receiver is receiving a digital THD or DTS MA signal and passing it straight to the speakers, rather than the player decoding it, converting it to analog, then passing it to the receiver and on to the speakers.

You're completely mistaken. PCM is still digital. It stands for Pulse Code Modulation, and is the same format that CD audio is stored in. The only possible way a player decoded track or the same track decoded by the receiver could sound different is if one of the decoders was faulty and actually introduced bit errors by incorrectly decompressing the audio. Regardless of whether the decoding is done in the player or the receiver, the D/A (Digital to Analog) conversion will still occur in the receiver. Additionally, audio passed over HDMI is NEVER analog. It's simply not possible. There's NO WAY for HDMI to carry an analog signal of any kind.
post #52 of 590
Sorry to belabor the point, but does upconversion mean it will upconvert a 480i component signal to a 1080i component signal, or does it mean it it will upconvert a component signal to an HDMI one?


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Originally Posted by geko29 View Post

In the specs:

TX-SR605 MSRP $499 Shipping mid May
*Full A/V Processing via HDMI 1.3a with Upconversion (2 in 1 out)
*HDMI Deep Color Capable (36bit)
*Component Video Upconversion and HDTV-Capable (50 MHZ) Video Switching (3 in 1 out)
*WRAT/ Optimum Gain Volume Circuitry/ Non-Scaling Configuration/ A-Form Listening Mode Memory/ RI
*Faroudja DCDi
*Audyssey 2EQ Room Acoustics Correction
*7.1 Multichannel Inputs for PCM Delivery of Hi-Def Audio Sources
*DOLBY Decoder - PLIIx, DD, DD-EX, TrueHD
*DTS Decoder - DTS, ES, NEO6, 96/24, HD Master Audio
*S-Video (5 in 2 out)
*Digital Audio IN (OPT/COAX) 3/3
*Composite Video (5 in/2 out)
*Power 90W/Ch
*Powered Zone 2 and Zone 2 Line-Out
*Bi-Amp Capable
*XM and Sirius ports
*XM HD Surround Sound through Neural Surround
post #53 of 590
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Originally Posted by rickforrest View Post

Sorry to belabor the point, but does upconversion mean it will upconvert a 480i component signal to a 1080i component signal, or does it mean it it will upconvert a component signal to an HDMI one?

That's what i'm trying to find out.
post #54 of 590
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Originally Posted by dpak2005 View Post

Should be pretty close to the same. In theory, it's better to have the receiver do the decoding, because you want to have digital as far along the way as possible. That's why HDMI 1.3 was created, to handle 1080p video PLUS TrueHD and DTS MA over HDMI.

PCM is not analog, it's digital.
One way, you send the TrueHD/DTS-MA digital bitstream from the player to the receiver over 1.3 where it's decoded to PCM then converted to analog. Other way, the bitstream from the DVD is decoded to PCM then sent via HDMI to the receiver where it's converted to analog. Either way, it's digital as far as possible. No reason having the receiver do it all should be better unless there are issues with a receiver's handling of MC LPCM input (LFE issue).



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Except that it might sound better when the receiver is receiving a digital THD or DTS MA signal and passing it straight to the speakers, rather than the player decoding it, converting it to analog, then passing it to the receiver and on to the speakers.

We're not talking about multichannel analog outputs, the PCM sent over HDMI after the player decodes is digital...uncompressed digital. There's no such thing as "PCM analog".
post #55 of 590
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Originally Posted by jiggyblau View Post

I'm confused...can I get TrueHD with my A2 and a 605? I currently have a 604 and need to figure out what to do.

You can currently get TrueHD with the A2/604 over HDMI. The 605 will do the same thing as the 604 in your case (at least as far as data transmission), as the A2 won't send the TrueHD bitream to the receiver. The A2 decodes the signal and sends PCM to the 604/605.
post #56 of 590
Well, this is very tempting. But I was wondering what you guys do with the equipment that you are replacing. It is getting to a point where I am accumulating too much stuff because I can't get rid of the older stuff. I have 3 DVD players and a 5 speakers that I can't seem to give away. If I bought this AVR, what would I do with my 6 year old Sony DA5ES? Would any one actually buy that (it is a great AVR - just out dated)?

Cheers.
post #57 of 590
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Originally Posted by Sliderman View Post

Well, this is very tempting. But I was wondering what you guys do with the equipment that you are replacing. It is getting to a point where I am accumulating too much stuff because I can't get rid of the older stuff. I have 3 DVD players and a 5 speakers that I can't seem to give away. If I bought this AVR, what would I do with my 6 year old Sony DA5ES? Would any one actually buy that (it is a great AVR - just out dated)?

Cheers.

Ebay or craigslist. Those are your two options.
post #58 of 590
They would have something if it were 3 in 1 out HDMI. 2/1 sucks IMO
post #59 of 590
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Originally Posted by geko29 View Post

Actually it's not a bandwidth thing at all, it's a protocol thing. PCM is MUCH larger than the advanced codecs--it's uncompressed, and therefore the largest, highest-bandwidth version of sound possible. And HDMI 1.1 has plenty of bandwidth to transmit 8 channels of PCM audio AND 1080p video.

But what HDMI 1.1 and 1.2 don't support is transmitting the still-compressed (smaller!) audio from the player to the receiver. You need 1.3 for that. However, the audio still has to be decoded in the player if you want to mix menu sound effects or PiP audio with it, so having the Receiver decode it instead isn't a huge advantage anyway.

Good points. I would add that it's possible that a given disc would have to be decoded by the player, regardless of whether the "advanced content" is wanted or not. Again, a protocol thing, it's up to the content provider.

http://www.dolby.com/consumer/techno...HD_avrs_3.html

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To decode these bitstreams, the A/V decoder will need to support the updated data protocols, as well as incorporate these new decoding algorithms. In addition, it will be necessary to select HD discs in which the content maker has permitted the core 5.1 or 7.1 audio bitstreams to bypass the player's mixing process and be sent directly to the digital outputs of the player. We expect that certain HD discs will permit this, but they may represent a minority of titles. In the end, the sound quality will be essentially the same as that of audio decoded within the player as PCM signals and transported through a current-generation HDMI connection to the A/V receiver.
post #60 of 590
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Originally Posted by dpak2005 View Post

Except that it might sound better when the receiver is receiving a digital THD or DTS MA signal and passing it straight to the speakers, rather than the player decoding it then passing it to the receiver and on to the speakers.

Nice edit, but still doesn't make sense. How does a TrueHD signal get sent "straight to the speakers"? Either way, it gets converted to analog in the receiver.
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