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post #181 of 229
4/20/07 at 12:07pm
I would say now this thread needs to be closed. Sorry all for contributing to this black vs. white argument.
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post #182 of 229
4/20/07 at 12:12pm
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Originally Posted by colleycol View Post

Like black colleges and Ebony and Jet? These things were around at times when opportunities and media coverage were not present. So know that "you" decided to let blacks in, get rid of these? Please.

White Entertainment Network? Like NBC,ABC and CBS?

Lets try this? History doesn't matter, right? People work for 150 years, they make a decent salary because the goods they produce are the biggest exports of their time for the growing nation they inhabit. From this money they invest in the cheap land that is available (growing county remember). They build farms, stores, etcc and pass this along to their children. Their children improve on this or sell it to go to college or start businesses. They pass it along too. Then their children and then we have accumulated wealth. Simplified but powerful.


((((White Entertainment Network? Like NBC,ABC and CBS?))))



Now I understand exactly where your coming from....

maybe you should become part of the solation not the problem!
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post #183 of 229
4/20/07 at 12:29pm
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Originally Posted by lexa695 View Post

I would say now this thread needs to be closed. Sorry all for contributing to this black vs. white argument.

No doubt it's a touchy subject. But I think everyone involved here has been civil and has made intelligent arguments on both sides of the issue..

If it gets closed before that happens I want to thank everyone involved for this discussion, it's been excellent and most importantly civil..

There's a huge divide between the races in this country. A good open discussion can't hurt. I wish our politicians and leaders were as intelligent and open as we've been here the last few days..
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post #184 of 229
4/20/07 at 12:38pm
Who would have ever thought 3 little words would knock race relations back 30 years....

and I dont mean" You Must Acquit"

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post #185 of 229
4/20/07 at 12:43pm
ColleyCol isnt the problem... he is voicing the opinion of what he sees but its different strokes for different folks..... we all encounter alittle of racism from time to time.... whether white, black, hispanic or whatever....


white entertainment ? well he might have a point but that sounds a bit racist.... just because its predominantly shows with majority being white, doesnt mean its white entertainment.... when shows like Martin, George Lopez, Bernie Mac, Everybody Hates Chris and so on are on these shows... what do you say about that?

i have to come in wonder again, why some feel like that
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post #186 of 229
4/20/07 at 12:44pm
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Originally Posted by mercury View Post

Who would have ever thought 3 little words would knock race relations back 30 years....

and I dont mean" You Must Acquit"


Actually those 3 little words have moved it forward.

An inch at a time, but still forward.
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post #187 of 229
4/20/07 at 12:44pm
i say press the red button and start over again...... then i bet the american indians would reclaim their land
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post #188 of 229
4/20/07 at 1:18pm
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Originally Posted by RAVEN56706 View Post

i say press the red button and start over again...... then i bet the american indians would reclaim their land

They can have California back...(just kidding)
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post #189 of 229
4/20/07 at 1:31pm
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Originally Posted by RAVEN56706 View Post

i say press the red button and start over again...... then i bet the american indians would reclaim their land

Oh boy, let's not go down that road. reclaim land I'm 1/16 Cro-Magnon. I claim rights to the entire planet.
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post #190 of 229
4/20/07 at 1:44pm
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Originally Posted by STEELERSRULE View Post

Actually those 3 little words have moved it forward.

An inch at a time, but still forward.


well thats fair....
how would it have been roll reversed ?
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post #191 of 229
4/21/07 at 5:11pm
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Originally Posted by J.H. View Post

So theres nothiing white people do to black people to make there life harder? I think if you believe that black people in general don't face an up hill battle from the start because of there skin color then you have your head firmly buried in the sand. No doubt black communities have there share of leadership problems but at the same time there are also outside factors hurting them as well.

Boy, you make it sound as if you're implying that African-Americans are the only ones who have to deal with discrimination and adversity, or are the only ones who have "strikes" against them from the getgo in our society. Or have a tough time of it. Or are just flat out unlucky.

If, by chance, you really do believe that, I'd say that YOU'RE the one who needs to get out and about more.

I'm not gonna deny that many people are judgemental of others' character, or even their culture - but, outside of a few remaining scattered areas in the country (and maybe some individual, "old-timers" that haven't died off yet), I don't believe that people necessarily judge anyone by the color of their skin these days in our society as a whole.

And, as others mentioned earlier, why is it always just assumed and accepted that it's mainly the "white folk" who are guilty of prejudice? It's human nature in general for people to be non-accepting of another group's culture, especially the more different the perceived values are from it's own. And it's that way all over the world. Always has been that way, and always will - at least in our lifetimes.

I've always been a firm believer that you can't "force" change. Not where nature and biology are concerned. Just look at what happened to radical feminism for a good example. Things have to happen at their own pace for them to firmly ensconce themselves, and the parts that are meant to stick will.

And as far as having to put up with all the corporate BS out there - hey - we ALL have to deal with that crap. It pervades ALL of our lives 24/7. I didn't get the feeling that anyone here was defending them or anything. Just telling it like it is. So be careful when you use generalizations like "white people". We are not all, by a long shot, figuratively-speaking, the "enemy" or "The Man". None of my ancestors were slave owners, and as far as I know, benefitted directly from slave labor. If they did benefit from it, it probably wasn't anymore than the average black person did immediately OR eventually. It might appear to someone who doesn't have the same, outwardly-visible material wealth as another that the other person must automatically have it better - but believe me - it might very well not be any picnic for them, either. It's a very rare human being who isn't overloaded with stress in this society.

Everything's a tradeoff.
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post #192 of 229
4/21/07 at 8:18pm
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Boy, you make it sound as if you're implying that African-Americans are the only ones who have to deal with discrimination and adversity, or are the only ones who have "strikes" against them from the getgo in our society. Or have a tough time of it. Or are just flat out unlucky.

If, by chance, you really do believe that, I'd say that YOU'RE the one who needs to get out and about more.

I'm not gonna deny that many people are judgemental of others' character, or even their culture - but, outside of a few remaining scattered areas in the country (and maybe some individual, "old-timers" that haven't died off yet), I don't believe that people necessarily judge anyone by the color of their skin these days in our society as a whole.

And, as others mentioned earlier, why is it always just assumed and accepted that it's mainly the "white folk" who are guilty of prejudice? It's human nature in general for people to be non-accepting of another group's culture, especially the more different the perceived values are from it's own. And it's that way all over the world. Always has been that way, and always will - at least in our lifetimes.

I've always been a firm believer that you can't "force" change. Not where nature and biology are concerned. Just look at what happened to radical feminism for a good example. Things have to happen at their own pace for them to firmly ensconce themselves, and the parts that are meant to stick will.

And as far as having to put up with all the corporate BS out there - hey - we ALL have to deal with that crap. It pervades ALL of our lives 24/7. I didn't get the feeling that anyone here was defending them or anything. Just telling it like it is. So be careful when you use generalizations like "white people". We are not all, by a long shot, figuratively-speaking, the "enemy" or "The Man". None of my ancestors were slave owners, and as far as I know, benefitted directly from slave labor. If they did benefit from it at all directly, it probably wasn't anymore than the average black person did immediately OR eventually. It might appear to someone who doesn't have the same, outwardly-visible material wealth as another that the other person must automatically have it better - but believe me - it might very well not be any picnic for them, either. It's a very rare human being who isn't overloaded with stress in this society.

Everything's a tradeoff.

Your either kidding or are not serious which one is it? What la-la world do you live in where everyone is color blind because I would like to live there myself? I am not black but I still see racist things on a daily basis. Sometimes its subtle,sometimes its overt,sometimes its plain old mean and sometimes its just in a joke. You have got to be kidding that racism doesn't exist "except in a few pockets" around the country. That is the funniest thing i have heard in years.
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post #193 of 229
4/21/07 at 8:53pm
Well, I live in Illinois. And Chicago is basically a bastion of liberalness.

In all my years, I'm not gonna say that prejudice didn't exist in the surrounding suburbs where I grew up - because it certainly did - BIG TIME - but what their was has waned considerably in the last, oh, 40 or so years. Besides, in the last 15 years, many of the surrounding suburbs have become majority Hispanic (the city has got to be over 50%, easy), so most of the "not getting along" is between different factions of the same ethnic group (if you catch my drift ).

I admit that segregation and prejudice is still prevalent in some places (Harwood Heights - are you there?). But it certainly has nothing to do with "skin color". In the town I live in now (if not for the burgeoning, illegal alien population, which basically is practically "taking over" here, too, 40 miles out ), it's what would basically be called "multi-ethnic" - what many people would probably jokingly refer to as "The United Nations". In fact, there are quite a few African-Americans living here. And most others around here treat them just like anybody else - as long as they're reasonably respectable and not utter lowlifes - which, if they were, people wouldn't care if they were black or whatever - they'd let 'em know what they thought just the same. There are a couple of black guys around town I talk to fairly regularly when I see them - they're actually cooler than the majority of the whites.

The average person here is also basically pretty accepting of gays, too, provided they're being as discreet and mature about their love life as most heteros are. This is, after all, a traditionally heavily Republican county. You never see heteros holding hands or kissing, so they're not gonna stand for any obvious shows of affection no matter who it is. I truly understand the premise now of all those jokes the late-night comedians crack about Republicans "never having sex". (There are a lot of religious "hypocrites" here, too, but that seems to be all over these days.)

In fact, overall, this town is very open and welcome to anyone - as long as they're not troublemakers. The residents are generally pretty vigilant and the police are pretty active and responsive, and people like that don't last very long.

So, it probably depends on where you live. But the general view, at least out here where I live now, and where a lot of people from where I grew up have relocated to, is not one of pre-judging someone on their skin color. Like I said - character and even culture, maybe - but not purely on skin color. I mean, we've even got quite a few mid to upper class mixed couples with mixed-looking kids, and white couples with adopted Black or Chinese kids, and it doesn't even faze most people anymore - we're used to it. In fact, I don't think I've ever heard someone that was originally from here use the "N" word in the 12 years I've lived here.

(Maybe you should come live here. I have to warn you though, that the taxes are pretty high .)
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post #194 of 229
4/21/07 at 9:15pm
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Originally Posted by Rammitinski View Post

...they're actually cooler than the majority of the whites.

That sentence sounds funny
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post #195 of 229
4/22/07 at 4:28pm
Wow, just wow. I've read through this entire thread and I'm just shaking my head. Ignorance (and racism) is here to stay.
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post #196 of 229
4/22/07 at 6:06pm
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Originally Posted by DrewB View Post

Wow, just wow. I've read through this entire thread and I'm just shaking my head. Ignorance (and racism) is here to stay.

Your conclusion is surprising, I didn't think anyone in this thread was being racist, perhaps you're trying too hard to find what you believe to be true.
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post #197 of 229
4/22/07 at 6:54pm
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Originally Posted by Rammitinski View Post

Well, I live in Illinois. And Chicago is basically a bastion of liberalness.

In all my years, I'm not gonna say that prejudice didn't exist in the surrounding suburbs where I grew up - because it certainly did - BIG TIME - but what their was has waned considerably in the last, oh, 40 or so years. Besides, in the last 15 years, many of the surrounding suburbs have become majority Hispanic (the city has got to be over 50%, easy), so most of the "not getting along" is between different factions of the same ethnic group (if you catch my drift).

I admit that segregation and prejudice is still prevalent in some places (Harwood Heights - are you there?). But it certainly has nothing to do with "skin color". In the town I live in now (if not for the burgeoning, illegal alien population, which basically is practically "taking over" here, too, 40 miles out ), it's what would basically be called "multi-ethnic" - what many people would probably jokingly refer to as "The United Nations". In fact, there are quite a few African-Americans living here. And most others around here treat them just like anybody else - as long as they're reasonably respectable and not utter lowlifes - which, if they were, people wouldn't care if they were black or whatever - they'd let 'em know what they thought just the same. There are a couple of black guys around town I talk to fairly regularly when I see them - they're actually cooler than the majority of the whites.

The average person here is also basically pretty accepting of gays, too, provided they're being as discreet and mature about their love life as most heteros are. This is, after all, a traditionally heavily Republican county. You never see heteros holding hands or kissing, so they're not gonna stand for any obvious shows of affection no matter who it is. I truly understand the premise now of all those jokes the late-night comedians crack about Republicans "never having sex". (There are a lot of religious "hypocrites" here, too, but that seems to be all over these days.)

In fact, overall, this town is very open and welcome to anyone - as long as they're not troublemakers. The residents are generally pretty vigilant and the police are pretty active and responsive, and people like that don't last very long.

So, it probably depends on where you live. But the general view, at least out here where I live now, and where a lot of people from where I grew up have relocated to, is not one of pre-judging someone on their skin color. Like I said - character and even culture, maybe - but not purely on skin color. I mean, we've even got quite a few mid to upper class mixed couples with mixed-looking kids, and white couples with adopted Black or Chinese kids, and it doesn't even faze most people anymore - we're used to it. In fact, I don't think I've ever heard someone that was originally from here use the "N" word in the 12 years I've lived here.

(Maybe you should come live here. I have to warn you though, that the taxes are pretty high .)

I grew up in Joliet, IL. I recently relocated to Seattle, WA. Hope to get back to IL one day. Loved the proximity to Chicago, Naperville, Northern Suburbs. The taxes in that area (Northbrook, Gurnee) are crazy.
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post #198 of 229
4/23/07 at 11:41am
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Originally Posted by DrewB View Post

Wow, just wow. I've read through this entire thread and I'm just shaking my head. Ignorance (and racism) is here to stay.

Well, like I said - it probably depends on where you live. It's just not like that out here. If you're referring to the "authorities", EVERYONE gets picked on equally out here. As far as being "pulled over" while driving, it's just a racket and a means of bringing in revenue here. Don't matter what "color" your skin is. And the statistics bear that out.

Yeah, we get our share of "cop abuse" cases here - but it's not predominantly towards any specific "ethnic or racial" group.

All I'm saying is that it's not the way you think it is everywhere, and if you think it is, you need to get out of your own little world and mindset to see that. The same sort of "unfairness" and discriminatory BS goes on everywhere.

Hell, I'd rather be African-American and healthy in this society than someone who's mentally ill. You want to really see some shoddy treatment and attitude towards any kind of "group", you oughta look into THAT. Most of those people have more going against them than most, healthy African-Americans do. If you don't have your health, you ain't really got nuthin'. And people with "mental" health issues get the least of it, when it comes to treatment, help, and sympathy.

If that makes me "ignorant", then so be it.
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post #199 of 229
4/23/07 at 11:59am
up until imus said what he said, id not really heard any other pundits dis him for anything. i figure its cuz he could have them on his show and sell their books for them.now that hes off the air and sort of defenseless, im hearing other pundits bad mouth him and his show. 2 faced or what?
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post #200 of 229
4/27/07 at 9:21am
Anyone catch Bernard McGuirk, Imus's producer on Hannity and Colms last night? Pretty good show.

The funniest thing was, right after Bernie's segment, Hannity brought on Fox's new political correspondent for another story. This new correspondent happened to be Harold Ford Jr.

If you ever listened to the Imus show you'd know that Harold Ford Jr. was a big time regular. Imus supported him during and after the election more than Rove supports Bush. Imus had his lips permanently welded to Ford's bumper.

After the Imus incident, this Ford was harder to locate than a Crown Vic Ford taxi in the rain in midtown on a Friday night.

He looked a little squeamish trying to respond to Hannity's question regarding Imus... to say the least.
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post #201 of 229
4/27/07 at 12:08pm
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Anyone catch Bernard McGuirk, Imus's producer on Hannity and Colms last night? Pretty good show.

The funniest thing was, right after Bernie's segment, Hannity brought on Fox's new political correspondent for another story. This new correspondent happened to be Harold Ford Jr.

If you ever listened to the Imus show you'd know that Harold Ford Jr. was a big time regular. Imus supported him during and after the election more than Rove supports Bush. Imus had his lips permanently welded to Ford's bumper.

After the Imus incident, this Ford was harder to locate than a Crown Vic Ford taxi in the rain in midtown on a Friday night.

He looked a little squeamish trying to respond to Hannity's question regarding Imus... to say the least.

Damn..I wish I saw it. I am also sorry Ford abandoned Imus too. He was a regular and a good interview.

But he's also a politician so I shouldn't expect Ford to be anything but hypocritical..
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post #202 of 229
4/27/07 at 12:43pm
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Damn..I wish I saw it. I am also sorry Ford abandoned Imus too. He was a regular and a good interview.

FYI.. Hannity is going to have Bernie on his radio show today (soon) which should be good but as I said, the real chuckle and surprise was seeing Ford last night following the interview.
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post #203 of 229
5/3/07 at 7:27pm
Sure I'd love if it Sirius had its very own Racism channel. RACE WAR IS ON EVERYONE! RACE WAR RACEWAR!
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post #204 of 229
5/3/07 at 7:28pm
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Sure I'd love if it Sirius had its very own Racism channel. RACE WAR IS ON EVERYONE! RACE WAR RACEWAR!

Oh brillant thanks for that stupid post.
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post #205 of 229
5/4/07 at 8:35am
Imus is suing CBS, claiming they had the power to hit the delay button and prevent his comments from going out over the air, and since they did not, they implicitly approved of the language.

Hate to say it, but he has a case there...
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post #206 of 229
5/4/07 at 9:48am
he does have A CASE
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post #207 of 229
5/4/07 at 10:43am
Funny this article doesn't mention the delay button issue... But what it does mention tells me Imus does have a good case......


Imus won't go quietly
The talk show host has hired a top First Amendment lawyer, and an unusual clause in his contract could give him a $40 million payday, writes Fortune's Tim Arango.
FORTUNE Magazine
By Tim Arango, Fortune writer
May 2 2007: 12:48 PM EDT

NEW YORK (Fortune) -- Don Imus, the tousled and acerbic radio host whose racial remarks engendered a media storm that triggered a swift upending of his career, is not going away quietly even if the imbroglio has all but disappeared from the national conversation in the wake of the Virginia Tech massacre.

For Imus, who made a career out of operating in the murky space between sophomoric humor and high-brow political talk, there is the little matter of about $40 million left on his contract with CBS Radio - whose boss Les Moonves fired the shock jock on April 12. CBS' lawyers contend Imus was fired for cause and not owed the rest of the money.


But Imus has hired one of the nation's premiere First Amendment attorneys, and the two sides are gearing up for a legal showdown that could turn on how language in his contract that encouraged the radio host to be irreverent and engage in character attacks is interpreted, according to one person who has read the contract.

The language, according to this source, was part of a five-year contract that went into effect in 2006 and that paid Imus close to $10 million a year. It stipulates that Imus be given a warning before being fired for doing what he made a career out of - making off-color jokes. The source described it as a "dog has one- bite clause." A lawsuit could be filed within a month, this person predicted.

A CBS spokesman declined comment, and Imus, through his attorney, also declined an interview.

Bo Dietl, a private investigator and author who is a long-time Imus confidante and was a regular guest on the show, has been making the rounds of the cable talk shows defending his friend and had this to say to Fortune: "I just heard that there is a contract in place, and that he can't be fired without a warning."
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5/4/07 at 1:43pm
The case would be a lot stronger if he didn't go crazy with those apologies. He should have just stayed in character and said it was a stupid joke and that's that. By making public apologies he is basically admitting that "he did a bad thing" and this could backfire in his lawsuit.

It will be an interesting case to watch... if it ever makes it to the courts, which I doubt. CBS will probably pay him $20M and say goodbye.
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post #209 of 229
5/4/07 at 2:34pm
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Originally Posted by RaveD View Post

The case would be a lot stronger if he didn't go crazy with those apologies. He should have just stayed in character and said it was a stupid joke and that's that. By making public apologies he is basically admitting that "he did a bad thing" and this could backfire in his lawsuit.

It will be an interesting case to watch... if it ever makes it to the courts, which I doubt. CBS will proably pay him $20M and say goodbye.

20 mil may not be enough...Interesting reading here:


http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/Story?id=3135895

A snippet....

By ELLEN DAVIS & CHRIS FRANCESCANI
ABC News Law & Justice Unit
May 3, 2007

Radio host Don Imus is going to sue CBS for $120 million, according to a draft copy of the complaint obtained by ABC News' Law & Justice Unit.

The suit is expected to be filed next week.

A draft copy of Imus's lawsuit says that the network expected him to be controversial and irreverent under the terms of his contract. And he claims Imus's show was on a five second delay that allowed the network to censor him if they wanted.

The draft points out that Imus wasn't fired for two weeks after the remarks were made.

Meanwhile, four former FCC commissioners contacted by ABC News say they do not believe that the speech was actionable under current federal guidelines that prohibit profanity or indecency on public airwaves.

Imus was fired April 12, after he made insensitive remarks about the Rutgers women's basketball team.

Martin Garbus -- a powerful First Amendment lawyer who represented controversial comedian Lenny Bruce -- said he would file a complaint against the network in the days ahead.

In a statement released by CBS in response to news stories about the impending lawsuit, CBS said that "We terminated Mr. Imus for cause. Based on the comments in question and relevant contract terms, we believe that the termination was appropriate and CBS would expect to prevail in any attempt by Mr. Imus to recover money for his actions."

The network is expected to rely on a clause in the radio talk show host's contract that says he can be terminated for 'just cause' if CBS determines that he used "distasteful or offensive words or phrases, the broadcast of which [CBS] believes would not be in the public interest or may jeopardize [the networks's] Federal license to operate..."

But Garbus, who has successfully defended hundreds of high profile First Amendment cases, said CBS still breached Imus' contract when the company fired him.

He cited a section of his client's employment contract today that says Imus' "services to be rendered are of a unique, extraordinary, irreverent, intellectual, topical, controversial and personal character and these components are desired by Company and are consistent with Company rules and policies."

While the lawsuit focuses on the contract, hovering above the dispute is the question of whether Imus's comments put the network in jeopardy with the FCC - which has been uncharacteristically aggressive in policing the airwaves in recently years.

One former FCC commissioner who spoke to ABC News suggested that CBS had gotten exactly what it had bargained for.

"The issue is one more of extremely poor judgement than it is an FCC issue," said ex-commissioner Harold Furtchgott-Roth.
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post #210 of 229
5/11/07 at 2:09pm
Bernard McGurik from the Imus show is supposed to be debating the racist blowhole Al Sharpton on tonight's Hannity and Colms show.

Should be a riot.
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