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Which HT receive should I get for my first HT system?

post #1 of 10
Thread Starter 
Hi people. I'm contemplating on starting my first ever HT build using an HTPC (which is my current rig comprising an Opteron 185 dual core, 2GB RAM, X1900 XT 512MB (non-HDCP), X-Fi XtremeMusic, etc.) in a 12' x 8' room. The list of receivers I'm looking at include:

1. Cambridge Audio Azur 640R;
2. Rotel RSX-1057;
3. Marantz SR6001;
4. Yamaha RX-V861; or
5. Onkyo TX-SR804.

Basically, I'll run a DVI -> HDMI cable from the X1900 XT to the receiver for video and a Toslink cable from the X-Fi to the receiver for audio. Other than that, I also have a broadband TV box that has component out. The other item that I may possibly add to the HT system at a future date is an Xbox 360 or PS3. In the future, I intend to play HD content via a BD or HD-DVD drive upgrade on the HTPC. I'll be keeping the 37" Toshiba LCD TV that does 1366 x 768 and I think the Opteron 185 should be good enough for 720p when I do the upgrade down the road.

The list of speakers I'm considering are as follows:

1. Paradigm Cinema 110 CT;
2. Klipsch Cinema 8 + Klipsch RW-8 or RPW-10 sub; or
3. Polk Audio RM6900.

Due to space constraints, I'll only be able to use these "budget" bookshelf speakers. Otherwise, I'll have to turn to a floorstanding 2.1 setup and forget about 5.1.

As I understand, receivers 1 and 2 excel in the audio department but lack many video functions such as analog to digital upconversion and video upscaling. On the other hand, receivers 3 to 5 all have analog to digital upconversion and in the Yamaha's case, it also does video upscaling. However, audio coming from the latter three may not be as good as the first 2 receivers. Concerns I currently have are:

1. Although receivers 1 and 2 are supposed have "audiophile' grade sound, am I going to notice this with the bookshelf speakers I've listed above?
2. Should I just get a $500 entry-level receiver with these speakers?
3. Should I be concerned at the use of "pass through" HDMI switch on the Cambridge Audio instead of a "repeater" HDMI switch which is supposed to be better?
4. What is the signifance of video upscaling? Will I notice any improvement in IQ vs non-upscaled SD content on my TV?

Sorry for the long post and it'd be much appreciated if you can provide a n00b with some feedbacks concerning my choice of receiver and the concerns listed above.

Many thanks!

edit: added links.
post #2 of 10
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As I understand, receivers 1 and 2 excel in the audio department but lack many video functions such as analog to digital upconversion and video upscaling. On the other hand, receivers 3 to 5 all have analog to digital upconversion and in the Yamaha's case, it also does video upscaling. However, audio coming from the latter three may not be as good as the first 2 receivers. Concerns I currently have are:

1. Although receivers 1 and 2 are supposed have "audiophile' grade sound, am I going to notice this with the bookshelf speakers I've listed above?
2. Should I just get a $500 entry-level receiver with these speakers?
3. Should I be concerned at the use of "pass through" HDMI switch on the Cambridge Audio instead of a "repeater" HDMI switch which is supposed to be better?
4. What is the signifance of video upscaling? Will I notice any improvement in IQ vs non-upscaled SD content on my TV?

Sorry for the long post and it'd be much appreciated if you can provide a n00b with some feedbacks concerning my choice of receiver and the concerns listed above.

Many thanks!

You do need to consider though that many aftermarket video cards do not properly support HDCP encryption yet. This WILL cause problems using add-in HD-DVD and Blu-ray drives for viewing commercial movies written in those formats. It might be several months before you can even do this, and it looks like this will only happen in Windows Vista because of its implemented DRM features.

So, to answer your questions:

1. Whether or not you'll notice this will depend on your ears. I would suggest getting demos at your local dealer and see which combos sound best to you for your budget. Rotel and Cambridge Audio are well-known for their use of quality amplifier sections and often have a great deal of reserve power well beyond their rated power output.

2. See number 1.

3. All HDMI switching devices are considered repeaters. Cambridge and Rotel use pass-through repeaters and lack the abilities to process HDMI audio, upconvert or upscale. It looks as though your only HDMI device will really be the actual HTPC, so HDMI switching might not be as important to you as you think.

4. This is a very debatable subject. I have seen some cases where the internal TV scaler does a better job at upscaling video than dedicated scaling devices found in receivers and DVD players do. Having the feature never really hurts, but it really depends on the TV. I don't have enough experience with Toshiba LCDs to give you a straight answer.
post #3 of 10
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the reply. I'm well aware of the fact that my X1900 XT doesn't support HDCP and I'm prepared to get an HDCP compliant card when I do get around to building the thing. Anyway, I don't plan to jump onto the HD bandwagon until the format war is over so that probably won't happen anytime soon.

Unfortunately, I don't think the dealers at were I live carry the speakers I've listed and they'll have to specifically order them for me and it may be difficult for a listening test.
post #4 of 10
Well, I personally prefer Paradigms generally over Polk and Klipsch, but that's really only what my ears are telling me. Everyone has different listening tastes, so it's always best to demo a set of speakers before buying. Buying speakers based solely on user and professional reviews is always risky.
post #5 of 10
Thread Starter 
Yeah, everywhere I go tells me I should try to arrange a listening test before buying the speakers. Anyway, I'm now considering the Mini Monitor v.5 fronts, CC-190 center, ADP-190 surrounds of Paradigm's Monitor v.5 series and a PDR-10 sub. Maybe that's a better long term investment than using those receivers with the wall mounted solutions I proposed earlier.
post #6 of 10
I have the mini monitors V.3 x 4. I used them for HT and I can assure you that you can tell a difference in what you input to them. You may want to step up to the next grade sub. I used a PS-1000 sub. It's a bit boomy, but LOTS of bass for HT and a real deal for the SPL it puts out. With Paradigm, I think a Yamaha or Marantz brand receiver would be nice combo, and I think video upconverting is the Shiznitz with my Denon 3803. It may not be the best for quality, but I don't notice anything worth not using it. My TV doesn't have discrete input codes, so it saves A LOT of cycling through inputs.
post #7 of 10
Thread Starter 
Getting speakers from the Monitor v.5 series would push the costs over my original budget (I haven't even included the price of the speaker stands and cables in the total cost yet ). Having considered that the room I have is relatively small, I'm hoping that the PDR-10 is sufficient for now.

I note that the Cambridge Audio and Rotel receivers do not appear to have auto setup for the 5.1 speakers. What does a manual setup involve? Should the user's manual include instructions for a manual setup?
post #8 of 10
The users manuals should provide all the basic info you need to set up any receiver. If you just step thru the setup menus and input the information that you do know, you'll do fine. Most of it is really basic info - large or small speakers, distance from listening area to speakers, etc. Skip the complicated stuff (if there is any) to begin with and ask questions after you have gone thru setup once.

I'll offer another recomendation for Paradigm speakers. I've yet to hear one that I didnt like. They are an easy speaker to drive. As for receivers, all of your choices sound good. I use yamaha mainly because of it's attractive price-point, feature list, and the availability of discreet remote control codes for all of their equipment.
post #9 of 10
Thread Starter 
Having demoed a whole bunch of speakers, I've finally settled on a setup which does not contain any of the speakers or receivers in my original list. I ended up getting:

Receiver: NAD T753
Fronts: DALI Royal Menuet II
Center: DALI Royal Vocal
Rears: Klipsch ProMedia Ultra 5.1 satellites
Sub: Wharfedale PC8+

Now I'm glad that I had taken the advice of you guys by auditioning a bunch of speakers instead of basing my decision on online reviews. I kinda skimmed a little on the receiver by getting a last generation model with none of the bells and whistles such as HDMI. But the NAD sounded excellent in live tests and I guess that matters the most at the end of the day. I also saved major $$$ in the rears by using second hand PC multimedia speakers (still THX certified though) obtained from eBay. I mainly use the system for music listening in stereo mode and I think the rears are fine for now. With the savings in the receiver and rears, I was able to get the DALI fronts and center which costed beyond what I've originally anticipated for.

I'm very impressed with this setup and I think it sounds a lot better than any of the other receivers/speakers I've had a chance to listen to. Jazz and classical sound crisp and clear on the fronts and voice is great too. The sub also gives me the bass I want in drum & bass (hopefully I won't be getting complaints from my neighbor ) with the fronts maintaining the clarity at high volume. Of course, movies sound so much better than the Yamaha HTiB the new system replaced.

You guys can check out my thread at Rage 3D for pictures of my new setup.
post #10 of 10
Excellent choice for stereo sound
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