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post #301 of 369
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Originally Posted by brettra2 View Post

should i start tearing out all firewire cards that did not come preinstalled? i was having some issues with my samsung/cyberhome internal cd/dvd burner/ROM ejecting just when everything stoped working...? Again I was using the REACT/EAC Wetmore setup with that drive when all went kaput.

any thoughts?

Thanks again guys!

:-)

b

Oh man, I wish I could count the times a user hides critical information until 3 miles down a dead-end street. You are asking if another firewire device/card that was giving trouble just before your changer connection broke has anything to do with it? I'm not a betting man, but if I were, I'd put some money on it. You never responded to my suggestions about uninstalling the 1394 devices. If you had done that, you would have also removed any offending drivers for that CDROM. No more suggestions from me until you confirm that you have at least tried my prior ones.
post #302 of 369
I have not been on for a while, but if the hardware simplification and firewire changes don't resolve your issue it may still turn out to be a driver issue...

I also got the -1 error in this instance, but I got it a lot more often after a load failure jam. Before you go crazy working with the drivers there is one other thing I would suggest you try. Power off both the changer and computer and take the lid off the changer and look at the internals of the unit and see if the CD mechanism is closed. The drive works like a clamshell and if it is open the outer side is at an angle while when it is closed the moving side will be vertical. If you find it closed you may have had a 'jam'. In those cases I found that if you turn the unit off and remove the power cord you can turn the small white gear that operates the load mechanism (found on the top of the loader arm) in order to get it into a position other than its fully loaded or unloaded position, and then power the changer. It should detect that 'unexpected' position and move the drive mechanics back to the unloaded position. At that point shut the changer off again with the button and power it again. If the drive is now open start up the computer and see if the -1 slot becomes zero like it should be. Remember, DO NOT apply a lot of force !! generally if you are forcing things you will only make things worse...

I also bumped into something similar related to drivers on XP some time ago. A windows update replaced the Sony driver with a powerfile driver and the drive would not work under XP that way with my software at all. I think this all goes back to the differences in the IOCTLs these things use. This was not easy to fix, I had to resort to some 'hacking' to get it to work again. I essentially ended up copying in the correct driver file from another system in safe mode to get it working again. The symptoms were exactly as you described, the drive and the changer device were both visible in device manager, but the changer device name had gone from being Sony to be being a Powerfile 200.

I cannot tell you for certain if anything other than manually hammering the driver file will work, but there are a few things you could try first...

The first would be to go into device manager and navigate to the changer device and try to do a driver rollback on it. If you do that and reboot and the changer device says Sony again that would be the most direct way to acheive this (this did not work for me, but try it first).

If that does not work you could uninstall the driver using driver manager and then disconnect the drive and reboot with it disconnected and reinstall using the Sony Discs. Once the install of the drivers is done you can then reconnect the changer (Note that some versions of the installers won't work this way, mine did not so I had to find another way).

If the second method does not work I think you will be stuck hammering the driver like I did... I pulled the working driver file (?.sys) off of another system based on MCE 2005 and copied it into the driver folder on the XP machine. That driver is copyrighted material so I don't know how you could get just the proper sys file to do this without having the changer working on another system. I vaguely recall an earlier posting that talked about uncompressing files from the driver CD, but I have not done that before so I cannot help with that...
post #303 of 369
@shizzle - you da man!!! BTW, -1 is OK as a slot value. Just means empty.

Also, BTW, still didn't get the updated freechg files to put on the web site. Maybe try again to send them?
post #304 of 369
Yes, I have been out of my mind with personal and work stuff lately so I never had a moment to resend that... Mea Culpa for sure...
post #305 of 369
Hi Guys,

The problem was physical. It dawned on me last night (two nights ago when you read this). Seeing that the software could get info from the changer, I figured it must be something I altered in the physical routine of the changer.

Previously I had manually removed discs from the read mechanism (for others who may be reading this post, this is easy: two white gears that rotate, on the back bottom left and top forward left of the main disc reading mechanism, one gear when rotated clamps the disc in place for spining and reading and the other controls the 'grab plater', the arm that pulls the disc into the read mechanism).

So I played around today with a few different variations on the placement of those two elements--the 'grab plater' and mount/read clamper--while powering the changer up and down and testing everything with MediaChangerGUI....and Shazam! PrestO-change-O! Everything works again!!!!!!!!

It worked once I 'clamped' the read/mount mechanism and left the 'grab plater' fully out of the read/mount area--powering the changer down and then back up again.

Thanks for the detailed help Porcus!!! Using my command-line skills (usually only on Linux and only at work) really helped me locate the issue. MediaDogg...yet again you have been invaluable.

Thanks guys!

:-)

Brett
post #306 of 369
...oops. started writing my last post (what will now be) yesterday morning. Looks like shizzle arrived at the same conclusion I did. My changer has been up and batching since 06/09 at 2pm Cali time.

Sorry MediaDogg, none of the multiple 1394 device removals seemed to do anything. Porcus' varification, via his command line instructions to me, that the software was indeed communicating with the changer set my mind to possible physical problems. No firewire cards were torn out, nor motherboards smashed.

Sorry for the interruption all. I am certain to bug you all again once I want to start batch ripping DVD's! (Ohp! I think I can feel MediaDoggs eyes roll, it feels "like a million voices cried out and were suddenly silenced"...lol.) Sorry to tease MD, your labor of love has brought me much sorrow and now much joy again...THank you vary much for your hard work.

I am sorry to be slow on the uptake all and/or the 'not-so-talented' one in the changer family. Any of you guys need someone to test anything out please let me know. I owe you all that, at the very least (but send an email for these requests to brettra2@yahoo.com). When time permits, I will set up step-by-step tutorial for dummies on the Wetmore setup and the basics of MCGUI to sheild you all from newbies and non-tech types like me.

Thanks all!

Best,
b
post #307 of 369
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Originally Posted by brettra2 View Post

I am sorry to be slow on the uptake all and/or the 'not-so-talented' one in the changer family. Any of you guys need someone to test anything out please let me know. I owe you all that, at the very least (but send an email for these requests to brettra2@yahoo.com). When time permits, I will set up step-by-step tutorial for dummies on the Wetmore setup and the basics of MCGUI to sheild you all from newbies and non-tech types like me.

Thanks all!

Best,
b

No problem. Looking forward to that tutorial info. My point about diagnostic process is still valid. We are also just now finding out that you manually unloaded discs and messed with the mechanism. The whole track of my suggestions might have been different had I known that in the beginning. I probably wasted a bunch of your time with irrelevant suggestions. Not trying to bash you or anything, just emphasizing it, so that maybe you will include that tip in your user guide - it is very important to tell your doctor everywhere it hurts!

Bottom line - glad you are back up and running. Your experience will undoubtedly help somebody else in the future, if that's any consolation.
post #308 of 369
Hi I stumbled onto this thread. I have a Sony 200 CD/DVD writer/reader VGP-XL1B1/2. I'm looking to hook it to my computer but it says i need to have windows media center. Is there any way to run the disc changer without the uses of media center.

Dane
post #309 of 369
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Originally Posted by dbrecher View Post

Hi I stumbled onto this thread. I have a Sony 200 CD/DVD writer/reader VGP-XL1B1/2. I'm looking to hook it to my computer but it says i need to have windows media center. Is there any way to run the disc changer without the uses of media center.

Dane

Yes--see the first page of this thread for "MediaChanger" a custom program written by members to access the vgp--it should work without mce (media center)

Has anyone had issues with more than 1 changer?
thanks
post #310 of 369
Thanks I'll try it out
post #311 of 369
It's been a while since I lst posted on this forum. I was trying to find a vgp-xl1b to use and I finally got my hands on one from a sony outlet store for $89. I have successfully got it working with Mediachanger and GUI-058. But the Drive shows up as a DVD RAM drive and won't read/play any disk i load. Any ideas on how to fix?
post #312 of 369
So, I had this changer working for sometime now, all of a sudden, the DVD drive inside the player stopped working. I can load/unload disks, I can also mount and unmount disks using the gui-058x. But, for some reason the DVD drive will not spin or read anything.

Is the drive dead? Or, is there something the great minds here can suggest I try.

Thanks!
post #313 of 369
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Originally Posted by kelmian View Post

It's been a while since I lst posted on this forum. I was trying to find a vgp-xl1b to use and I finally got my hands on one from a sony outlet store for $89. I have successfully got it working with Mediachanger and GUI-058. But the Drive shows up as a DVD RAM drive and won't read/play any disk i load. Any ideas on how to fix?

It is a DVD-RAM drive, and it should read just about everything else under the sun. It may be time to erercise your warranty before losing a lot of sleep over it.
post #314 of 369
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Originally Posted by sunnyvali View Post

So, I had this changer working for sometime now, all of a sudden, the DVD drive inside the player stopped working. I can load/unload disks, I can also mount and unmount disks using the gui-058x. But, for some reason the DVD drive will not spin or read anything.

Is the drive dead? Or, is there something the great minds here can suggest I try.

Thanks!

Did you do all of the normal troubleshooting? Such as can you see the drive in windows, or viewing the device manager - as you would do in any case when a device is not working correctly? What did you see?
post #315 of 369
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Originally Posted by MediaDogg View Post

It is a DVD-RAM drive, and it should read just about everything else under the sun. It may be time to erercise your warranty before losing a lot of sleep over it.

Thats what I'm doing, After 24+ hrs with sony unhelp desk inability to find my proof of purchase, and 8+ hrs of "Can you do... x,y,z" I finally got them to get a tech to come over and fix it. I just hope it won't take 7+ days for the tech to show up., I'll keep you informed.
post #316 of 369
Here is my story:

- just got a used XL1B
- put in a new Startech firewire/usb card
- running widowsXP SP3
- read through this entire forum a couple of times ;-)
- the unit loads and unloads disks fine - seems to work OK

When I connect the XL1B to the firewire interface, it is recognised as a VGP-XL1B IEEE 1394 SPB2 device ... so far so good. Maps to drive J:.

I loaded 3 test music CDs. When I look under administration tools/computer management I see 3 disks listed under 'media'. The unit is also seen under libraries and I can mount the discs through this interface. When I mount a disk, it shows up in windows file explorer and I can play tracks via my fav audio player. Still looks good!

When I start the GUI Control software and try a full slots scan, or all slots scan, the software doesn't show any disks loaded. I get the following error for all disks when I try to scan all disks:

IsSlotFull(x) failed with 0x80070006 ... not so good.

I read about mapping the drive by clicking on the green logo, but id doesn't do anything. No pop up window or anything (should I see some config window here?)

I then tried to test media changer at the command line. Here are the results of the drivestatus:

--------------------------

D:\\Program Files\\dvd changer\\GUI-056x\ emp>mediachanger drivestatus
\\\\?\\SBP2#SONY&VGP-XL1B&LUN2#003060A100010362#{53F56310-B6BF-11D0-94F2-00A0C91EFB8B}
changer0: serial: A100010362, drive0: empty, sourceslot=-1
IsElementFull(ChangerDrive, 0) failed with 0x80070006

--------------------------

I also recall in a thread that I should disable RMS - I looked through all of the services, and did not see anythgin like that. I suspect that this runs automatically on Vista, and has to be loaded on XP? I could not find any info on how to disable this on XP, if it doesn't run as a service.

Am I missing some other config step? I hope that someone can give me a hand getting thios sorted out.

Thanks in advance,
Brian
post #317 of 369
Newbie Alert - solved!

I did not realise that RMS meant removable storage service! I read some forum messges that stated you need to stop RMS - of course I comfused that with Rights Managment Service, which made sense to me.

I stopped the Removable Media Service in Computer Managnet/Services and everything came to life.

Sorry for the fluff on the forum, but I hope some other beginner can save some headaches.

Brian
post #318 of 369
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Originally Posted by bjmcintosh View Post

Newbie Alert - solved!

I did not realise that RMS meant removable storage service! I read some forum messges that stated you need to stop RMS - of course I comfused that with Rights Managment Service, which made sense to me.

I stopped the Removable Media Service in Computer Managnet/Services and everything came to life.

Sorry for the fluff on the forum, but I hope some other beginner can save some headaches.

Brian

The confusion may due to the fact that is called RSM, not RMS. I'm not aware of anything called "Removable Media Service" as a windows service.

Intstead, it should be RSM = Removable Storage Manager. Anybody who looks for RMS will indeed get headaches. Again, it is RSM. It has been documented many times in this Forum that in Vista, it is already disabled by default. In windows XP, you have to manually disable it, as you mentioned.

(It is easy to reverse the letters - no doubt that I have done it myself many times ...)
post #319 of 369
I had been ripping away happily my first batch of 200 CDs using dBPowerAmp Batch Ripper and my Sony XL1B3 when suddenly it couldn't go past disc #178. It was repeatedly (200+ times) trying to read it but was seeing it as being already ripped ("Reject ###: CD Same as Last" where ### went from 1 all the way to 207 which is went I ran out of patience and stopped the batch).

Now, as there is no way to start ripping again at slot #179 I have to unload slots #1-178 before I can continue. I would like to pile the discs on two empty 100-disc CD-R spindles ideally in the slot number order.

I then turned to Shizzle's FreeChange program which has so many bells & whistles to do a Multi-slot Unload of slots #1 through #178 using the "Multi-Slot Functions" panel and specifying Start Slot as 1, End slot as 178 and pressing the "Export/Unload" button once but it didn't work: it just unloads the First Slot specified. I tried different values for "Pause min" such as "0", "1" and even ".2" to no avail.

What am I doing wrong here?
Please also check my next few upcoming posts (next 15min or so).
Thanks! Nemo
post #320 of 369
Hi again,

As a follow-up to my last post: where can I find some help about the many advanced functions found in Shizzle's FreeChange program? BTW thank you Shizzle for making this very elaborate program freely available.

Has anyone written a primer of some sort? I'm curious about the Multi-Slot Functions and all the functions found under the "Debugging" tab.

I have so many questions about this powerful program that it would be really bothering everyone here if I did. :-) I prefer to learn how to fish by myself than being fed by the spoon ;-)

Thanks for any help! Nemo
post #321 of 369
As most of us have experienced loading 200 discs in these changers several times using the front slot is a pita, especially if you have to do it repeatedly to rip several 1000's CDs. On the other hand if you remove the cover and load the slots directly from the top (much faster) the changer won't know which slots are full and which are empty and will respond erraticalyy to "mount next slot" commands from the software (in my case dBPowerAmp's Batch Ripper).

Since this information is stored in NVRAM by the changer I thought that it should be possible to load 200 discs one time through the front slot to write in the NVRAM once and, after finishing ripping, unload all discs and reload 200 new discs from the top as many times as you want. The changer wouldn't know the difference.

Has anyone tried this or it this just a dumb idea?
Thanks! Nemo
post #322 of 369
@Nemo

I will check the multi unload function in Freechange and see if I can figure out what happened to it. I have not used it for a while, and must have broken it in one of the many revisions I made to FreeChange (oops). In the meantime you have a couple of options that are pretty simple. The first is simply the eject button, if pressed twice it ejects everything in the tray. Since you need to eject the majority of the Discs it is probably your simplest choice. You could then just reload the last 28 in lower slots and avoid several potential causes of your current problem (could be mechanical, but could also be a application code issue with high numbered slots).

You also asked about manual unloading and clearing the NV. That does work, but you need to have one of the programs that supports clearing the NV to be able to do it. There is a Sony utility that does that running around somewhere, and I added that to one of the many revisions of Freechange as well. I am not certain which version you are using, but if there is a button marked something like 'Clear NVRAM', that is the one. Sadly there does not appear to be an easy function for setting the NVRAM directly... Looked for one for a while and gave up. The key item missing is a function to tell the changer a slot is 'full' through software.. You can set the tags once it beleives a slot is loaded, but you can't set load state or media type as far as I can tell. The only time it marks a slot loaded is when it is mounted through the door (which has a sensor to see the media, so you can't just fake it).

As far as I know directly loading and removing full trays of media once the NVRAM is set should work fine (I think), but the media labels would all be wrong, so if the software involvedt uses them in any way it might be messed up. The only other detail I can think of is the media type data. As long as everything you moved in and out was the same kind (CD or DVD) it should work. That precludes trays of mixed media, and would require a front slot reload when you do switch type.

The advantage to using the eject button is that it does not require any disassembly... The disadvantage is that it is quite slow and has a potential for mechanism jamming that manual unloads and NVRAM clearing would not. Either way, a full unload is always an awkward process. I definitely suggest you grab a few media spindles and put the media you remove there until you can actually put it away, handling 200 loose discs is always messy.

PS: I don't know of any guides for this app. I wrote it for my own use, so I never really documented it. Most of the debug and config items are not really daily use things... Just things I used for testing.
post #323 of 369
Hi Shizzle and thank you for a great program!!
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Originally Posted by shizzle View Post

@Nemo
I will check the multi unload function in Freechange and see if I can figure out what happened to it. I have not used it for a while, and must have broken it in one of the many revisions I made to FreeChange (oops). In the meantime you have a couple of options that are pretty simple. The first is simply the eject button, if pressed twice it ejects everything in the tray. Since you need to eject the majority of the Discs it is probably your simplest choice. You could then just reload the last 28 in lower slots and avoid several potential causes of your current problem (could be mechanical, but could also be a application code issue with high numbered slots).

That's exactly what I did :-) But I anticipate situations where problems occur at mid-batch and I'll have to unload half of the 200 CDs; your multi-functions will be a real time-saver.
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Originally Posted by shizzle View Post

@Nemo
You also asked about manual unloading and clearing the NV. That does work, but you need to have one of the programs that supports clearing the NV to be able to do it. There is a Sony utility that does that running around somewhere, and I added that to one of the many revisions of Freechange as well. I am not certain which version you are using, but if there is a button marked something like 'Clear NVRAM', that is the one.

Both methods work. The Sony Changer Diagnostic Tool is available on AdamB's great XL1B Wiki site: http://www.xl1bwiki.com/XL1BDiagTool.ashx.

I was wondering: what is contained in the NVRAM apart from the full/empty/unknown state of each slot? Is it possible that meta-data is saved there? I'm asking because when I bought my XL1B on eBay it is of course empty but when I first ran FreeChange on it without being connected to the internet at the time (was on vacation, no hot spot around) it reported all the titles of the CDs and DVDs of the previous owner. I was amazed that it would be contained in the NVRAM itself. After a few tests I used your Clear NVRAM function and pouf!, everything was gone forever. Any explanation for that behaviour (not mine)?
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Originally Posted by shizzle View Post

@Nemo
Sadly there does not appear to be an easy function for setting the NVRAM directly... Looked for one for a while and gave up. The key item missing is a function to tell the changer a slot is 'full' through software.. You can set the tags once it beleives a slot is loaded, but you can't set load state or media type as far as I can tell. The only time it marks a slot loaded is when it is mounted through the door (which has a sensor to see the media, so you can't just fake it).

That's what I was afraid of.
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Originally Posted by shizzle View Post

@Nemo
As far as I know directly loading and removing full trays of media once the NVRAM is set should work fine (I think), but the media labels would all be wrong, so if the software involvedt uses them in any way it might be messed up. The only other detail I can think of is the media type data. As long as everything you moved in and out was the same kind (CD or DVD) it should work. That precludes trays of mixed media, and would require a front slot reload when you do switch type.

That's what I thought. I was planning on using on CD-only loads.
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Originally Posted by shizzle View Post

@Nemo
The advantage to using the eject button is that it does not require any disassembly... The disadvantage is that it is quite slow and has a potential for mechanism jamming that manual unloads and NVRAM clearing would not. Either way, a full unload is always an awkward process. I definitely suggest you grab a few media spindles and put the media you remove there until you can actually put it away, handling 200 loose discs is always messy.

Again we are exactly on the same page :-)
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Originally Posted by shizzle View Post

@Nemo
PS: I don't know of any guides for this app. I wrote it for my own use, so I never really documented it. Most of the debug and config items are not really daily use things... Just things I used for testing.

But there seems to be so much more than what meets the eyes in FreeChange (and that alone is plenty!) that I always wonder if the solution to one or the other of my problems might be hidden somewhere in the many functions you provided.

Anyway if you ever have the time to even start documenting it I know a lot of people who would be very appreciative. Have you considered using a screen video capture program such as Camtasia (free 30-day trial)? Using it you could simply guide us just using your mouse and verbal comments through the different panels and options. In half an hour or so you could cover most of the features without typing a single word. Just a thought. http://www.techsmith.com/camtasia.asp

I asked one of my summer interns to document his work on a complex simulation code using Camtasia and he was amazed to see how easy it was. They're the makers of SnagIt, the best screen capture utility I know. No, I don't work for them I'm just a user.

In any case I thank you for your reply and the time you already spent freely sharing your work with others. Best regards, Nemo.
post #324 of 369
i think we need to do a sticky and merge all the vgp-xl1b boards together with a master wiki describing the software
so far we have some incredible options im curiouse if theres a way to take them all and integrate all the ideas into a single program.
something that mixes mediachng / freechng/ the nas project/ mammoth's software/ imgburns changer queue burning/ripping/ etc.
i think ill try to compile something at least for the wiki since i cant code heh.
post #325 of 369
hmmmmmm ok i got a lot of catching up to do with too many threads it seems.
just found the wiki lol.
post #326 of 369
@Nemo

The contents of the changers NVRAM are pretty basic, and don't actually include what would be called metadata by humans anyway... The information there consists of about 40-60 bytes of information for each slot about whether the slot is loaded, and some basic media type information along with two 'tag' areas that are what is commonly referred to as the NVRAM database. The tag areas are actually populated by software rather than the hardware so most of the time they are blank. The Sony software puts something like 'MovieDVD#xxxx-xxxx-xxx-xx-x' or 'AudioCD#xxxx-xxx-xxx-xx-x' in the tags when it scans the media. The xxx-xx part is a sequence of numbers that represent a 64 bit CRC taken from selected parts of the media and returned from a Windows API call that is designed to return a unique value for each Disc. Naturally in typical Microsoft fashion the algorithm for generating that magic number seems to be completely undocumented... The two tags were originally supposed to represent the information for the front and back sides of the media, but on changers that do not support both sides the use of the second tag is up to the manufacturer and I beleive Sony puts the same information in both.

Recent versions of my program try to put the same values in the tags that the Sony software does. There is not enough room for real metadata in there, but that numeric value they store is the key to retreiving the metadata from the Windows Media webservices API used by Windows Media Player (also undocumented and not freely avialable to the best of my knowledge). What freechange does is store it's own metadata information based on the changer and slot, and maintain a cache database that is indexed by that 'magic number' so that when media is moved from slot to slot it does not need to retreive metadata again from the internet every time. At least that is what it is supposed to do... There are still some bugs rolling around so the program also allows the cache database to be touched up manually.
post #327 of 369
I have not tried this update myself. Do at your own risk!

Here's the Google translation of the Sony page:

http://translate.google.ca/translate...hl=en&ie=UTF-8

BTW: "Matshita" is the 8-character version of Matsushita (Panasonic)

Source: http://www.backupcritic.com/faq/dvd-...a-dvd-ram.html

Nemo
post #328 of 369
Hi everyone! I'm trying to set up a Sony VGP-XL1B(3) and a Powerfile C200 on the same PC running XP Pro SP2.

I have each changer connected to its own FireWire bus. One bus is the motherboard's and the other one is an added PCI FireWire card.

I can see each changer separately but not both at the same time.
Also: I can see the 2 drives in the Powerfile in XP but only one seems visible from FreeChange. I can also see them in CD Ripper but can only choose one drive.

Any suggestions? Anything? Anyone out there running Sony + Powerfile on the same PC? Thanks in advance! Nemo
post #329 of 369
You were right! Thanks Brendan

Now here's the situation in Windows XP Explorer:

1) If I turn the Sony ON first (say it becomes drive E: ) and then turn ON the Powerfile I don't see the Powerfile drives at all;

2) If I turn the Powerfile ON first (say it becomes drives E: and F: ) and then the Sony (which becomes drive G: ) I loose the second drive letter (here F: ) on the Powerfile!

In situation #2 above if I run FreeChange to test I get an exception error panel (no details). Same thing if I hit the "Re-Scan HW" button.

In this case in dBPowerAmp Batch Ripper Config I see the three drives but F: is marked with a "?" in red. If I run tests on the other drives (Powerfile E: and Sony G: ) they work perfectly. I took care to assign proper device & drive numbers:

Powerfile drive#1 ( E: ) is defined as --changer="0" --driveid="0"
Powerfile drive#2 ( F: ) is defined as--changer="0" --driveid="1"
Sony drive ( G: ) is defined as --changer="1" --driveid="0"

As you can imagine I'm open to all suggestions, please Thanks! Nemo
post #330 of 369
The drive letters should be configurable using the Computer Management console (in XP). You probably SHOULD set them to something specific, and above the regular set of dynamically allocated ones. Personally, I move my DVD to O: and above. This leaves everything between F: and N: open for everything else like flash drives, ipods, cameras, etc.
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