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post #121 of 2662
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Originally Posted by thebland View Post

I just don't see low player prices + the need for a plasma as a small investment for most folks...Particularly with a small catalog of films..... It's too early to clamour around 'low' player prices.

I guess your professed HD DVD support is short lived.

It is impossible for a leopard to change its spots.
post #122 of 2662
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Originally Posted by JohnR_IN_LA View Post

How quick we forget that a no-name Chinese brand launched the $99 dollar DVD player market in the 90s, and changed the world.

I dont remember the brand name, but they are definitely in the history books of Electronics...

You can say that again.

Great news for Blu-ray.
post #123 of 2662
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Originally Posted by thebland View Post

I just don't see low player prices + the need for a plasma as a small investment for most folks...Particularly with a small catalog of films..... It's too early to clamour around 'low' player prices.

Come on, you can't be serious. Sub $200 HD-DVD players will make the upconverting DVD players that fill B&M's obsolete. When $100-200 HD-DVD players fill the BBY's and Walmarts of the world, nobody will ever again walk into one of those stores and buy a dvd player, unless all they're looking for is a $40-50 ultra cheapy.

This fact is not hard to see, and impossible to refute, unless you want to try to claim that the average consumer isn't interested in the added value the ability to play HD-DVDs would provide.
post #124 of 2662
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Originally Posted by Capek View Post

Come on, you can't be serious. Sub $200 HD-DVD players will make the upconverting DVD players that fill B&M's obsolete. When $100-200 HD-DVD players fill the BBY's and Walmarts of the world, nobody will ever again walk into one of those stores and buy a dvd player, unless all they're looking for is a $40-50 ultra cheapy.

This fact is not hard to see, and impossible to refute, unless you want to try to claim that the average consumer isn't interested in the added value the ability to play HD-DVDs would provide.

He sees it, he just will not admit that this is a HUGE BLOW TO BR!!! HUGE!!!

I think the war is about over folks.

Not because someone is making 2 million HD DVD players...

BUT THAT WALMART HAS ORDERED 2 MILLION OF THEM!!!
THEY ARE BEING MADE FOR WALMART!!!

Toshiba or Msoft didn't order them!
post #125 of 2662
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Originally Posted by thebland View Post

I don't think so, the average Walmart customer is below the income level of Joe 6 pack at Best Buy. To buy a HD DVD player, they would likely surmise the need of an expensive plasma ($1.5K or more)....and movies that cost $25 -$40 each! Moreover, the movies are likely unavailable for rental at the local Blockbuster (and not found in the $5.99 bin either)... I think the demographic is all wrong. ...$299 HD DVD players and $30 movies are going to collect cob webs at Walmart.


You can get 32"-37" LCD/Plasmas at Best Buy, Target, Walmart, Sam's Club and Costco for less than $1,000. Sometimes you can get then for about $500. A lot of people buy those displays, or they wouldn't be around, hence people buying a $99 HD-DVD player with their display. You can rent HD-DVD online, most people I know rent from Blockbuster online, or Netflix, why do you think Blockbuster has closed so many walk-in stores. The end is VERY close for BR.

I have a 480p projector and I would buy an HD-DVD player for that, if it was $99. I might go with a Toshiba for my Mits HD1000U, but if the $99 player works, I'd get that with a Wal-Mart 4 year warranty, it's a no lose situation.
post #126 of 2662
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Originally Posted by NineDayFall75 View Post

You can get 32"-37" LCD/Plasmas at Best Buy, Target, Walmart, Sam's Club and Costco for less than $1,000. Sometimes you can get then for about $500. A lot of people buy those displays, or they wouldn't be around, hence people buying a $99 HD-DVD player with their display. You can rent HD-DVD online, most people I know rent from Blockbuster online, or Netflix, why do you think Blockbuster has closed so many walk-in stores. The end is VERY close for BR.

I have a 480p projector and I would buy an HD-DVD player for that, if it was $99. I might go with a Toshiba for my Mits HD1000U, but if the $99 player works, I'd get that with a Wal-Mart 4 year warranty, it's a no lose situation.

Do you know how big..HUGE THIS IS???

I would buy a BD player for those prices, and support BR in a heartbeat!

So you can imagine how many BR fans are gonna add HD DVD players...or even defect???
post #127 of 2662
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Originally Posted by Dahlsim View Post

Most importantly here, has Wal-mart picked sides in this war or do they have something in store for blu-ray as well? If Wal-mart has picked a side, well....

They have the PS3...LMAO, which is failing miserably. I bought a Wii over the PS3, it seems about 7 million others went with the Wii as well. The PS3 is just over 3 million. An old school gaming system took out a next gen, poor Sony. First the Nintendo DS schools the PSP and now this. Maybe Nintendo needs to get into the HD-DVD market as well.
post #128 of 2662
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Originally Posted by NineDayFall75 View Post

They have the PS3...LMAO, which is failing miserably. I bought a Wii over the PS3, it seems about 7 million others went with the Wii as well. The PS3 is just over 3 million. An old school gaming system took out a next gen, poor Sony. First the Nintendo DS schools the PSP and now this. Maybe Nintendo needs to get into the HD-DVD market as well.

lol
post #129 of 2662
a $99 HD DVD player will be a real pain in the A*** for sony
post #130 of 2662
Does anybody here speak Chinese, then please let us have a decent translation of the text.

My worst fears are they mean BD instead of HD....I dont see any logos.

And I would like Amirm to comment on this.

post #131 of 2662
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Originally Posted by Django View Post

He sees it, he just will not admit that this is a HUGE BLOW TO BR!!! HUGE!!!

I think the war is about over folks.

Not because someone is making 2 million HD DVD players...

BUT THAT WALMART HAS ORDERED 2 MILLION OF THEM!!!
THEY ARE BEING MADE FOR WALMART!!!

Toshiba or Msoft didn't order them!


I don't think people understand just how influential in something like this format war Wal-Mart can be.
post #132 of 2662
Personally I think it's too soon for this. Walmart customers won't even know what the heck the thing is, they'll just think it's an expensive DVD player.

But if it's decent, I'll get one. Think it'll be at least A2 quality? I wonder what they'll skimp on.
post #133 of 2662
LOL. What's so ironic about all this is none of my local Walmarts even have a clue what HDDVD is. NO hardware-no software. Go figure.
post #134 of 2662
no way!!!!....WOW...U.S of A. GOING HD DVD via WAL MART?????... business deals are not made in a day...this thing had to be in the works for quite some time...like the song "I can see clear now that the rain is gone"...and a desperate attempt by Blu Ray "we've won, it's over"...simply put, the knew all along...WOW!
post #135 of 2662
After all this partying...

I believe we should think what will be the BDA's response to what seems to be a master's move by the HD DVD camp.

As we all can imagine, no one makes a 2,000,000 players deal, orders the construction of a brand new manufacturing plant and start production in absolute secret. This announcement does not come from magic.

All the insiders must have known this for a long time.

Doesn't the DVD forum know about this? Aren't the BDA members part of the DVD Forum as well?

I'm sure the BDA has a few tricks left. We may hear from them soon.

We always do.

Like in the movies... The Empire Strikes Back!!!!!!
post #136 of 2662
Here's a bigger question: what led Wal-Mart to go with HD-DVD in the first place? Are they going to stock HD-DVD titles at a preference over BD titles? Wal-Mart isn't in the philanthropic business, so they must have seen a revenue opportunity here that is worth the risk. What made them "pick" a side?
post #137 of 2662
Because HD DVD has the superior pricing. Walmart knows what sells, the cheaper the better. No one is going to buy already obsolete players at $700+ a pop.
post #138 of 2662
Ok here's my $0.02c

i bought my High Def TV (a sony actually) about a year ago and i then wanted a high def set top box. because i'd shelled out a bit of cash for the TV i went with the set top box i could get the best deal on. turned out it was some dodgy brand sounding thing but it's actually a decent unit and still going strong. Therefore i agree with others' views that plenty of people don't care what brand name is on something if the price is right and it does what they need it to do.

Just wait till cheap chinese cars some to a showroom near you!

The other thing which i find a little strange is the ties between this new manufacturing venture ad factory setup (Taiwanese) and this big government owned Chinese company. Politically there are some serious issues between these 2 countries so to me it seems strange.
post #139 of 2662
Oh yeh and i also suggest you guys find the Wal Mart south park episode and watch it now... it's GOLD!
post #140 of 2662
I hope these Taiwanese players meet all of the HD DVD requirements. If not, I hope that they at least support HDi.
post #141 of 2662
Walmart is planning to serve Egg Fuh Yuan to the BD camp.
post #142 of 2662
Hmmm. Looks good!
Can someone post a pic of what the inside of these units look like?
I want to see the guts.
If these things are going to cost $99, even I'll bite!
post #143 of 2662
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Walmart is planning to serve Egg Fuh Yuan to the BD camp.

Groans...

Great news. Now watch Wal Mart begin to put pressure on the BD exclusive studios to release content on the format they favor... if this news is everything this thread is making it out to be.

But before I get too excited, please tell me that these players are not built to the Chinese HD DVD spec & are to be sold at Chinese Wal Marts? Wal Mart is in China, and growing last I heard, so I just want to be sure we know where these players are heading before the backflips begin.
post #144 of 2662
You guys need to ease up on thebland - he's just doing damage control (even though he did buy an HD-DVD player)...but still, in his own words, and even AFTER he bought his new player (XA2):

"....But HD DVD still has no chance of winning. IT doesn't change the studios conundrum." - thebland 4/13

Still NO chance? Not even a sliver? I'm not claiming anything, still very early, but NO chance? C'mon now....
post #145 of 2662
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Originally Posted by Sean_O View Post

But before I get too excited, please tell me that these players are not built to the Chinese HD DVD spec & are to be sold at Chinese Wal Marts?.

Isn't the Chinese HD disc specificiation based on a red laser?
post #146 of 2662
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Originally Posted by HighDeff View Post

Does anybody here speak Chinese, then please let us have a decent translation of the text.

yes it is HD-DVD. It says "blue laser HD-DVD". (yea I read Chinese)

The 1st paragraph said WalMart ordered 2 million "HD-DVD Players" (yea it said "player" so it's a complete player) for US$300 million. and "All will be delivered by end of next year". I guess the players should be delivered in batches.
post #147 of 2662
To make regular CE customers migrate from SD to HD, the first HD format that brings HD players to marked that can compete with SD players in price will be the preferred HD format.

The announcement in this thread seems to be the starting shot for this.

When people goes shopping for a SD DVD player upgrade to go with their new “widescreen” TV and leave the shop with a player that can play HD DVD as a bonus, without having paid much more than they intended when they entered the shop, the needed migration from SD to HD has started.
The same way the migration from VHS to DVD started in earnest with cheap Chinese players placed between groceries in the supermarkets.
Without this, HD disc media will continue to be a “remark” on the DVD sales statistics.

HD DVD has the best possibility to achieve this because of the less expensive production price of the player platform. Also the cheaper price on investment in HD DVD disc reproduction tempt smaller producers to invest in the format, as seen by the recent statements from spokespersons for the replication industry, that advise their members to invest in HD DVD rather than BD.

We can now understand the reason for Toshiba being the only producer of HD DVD players, which has been much criticized. By developing and Beta testing the HD DVD platform Inhouse, they have been able to more practically testing the format without coordinating the development with many producers. That has also saved CE producers from initial investments of an unproven format. Now they can produce from a “Ready made” and tested platform. This is of course a great incentive.

Industrial politics also comes into play. All producers of DVD related products that want to partake in the future has related to the DVD Forum for a long time and has their relations there. For them to start to relate to the competing and more closed BDA, which means in all practical purpose Sony, might be a deterrent.

The format “war” looks more and more like the Betamax vs. VHS “war”.
Many think that outcome was decided by the involvement of porn.
Porn might have had a part in it. The real reason was that Sony had such strict licensing politics on production of Betamax players that other CE producer saw the possibility to investment and involvement not very tempting. Sony basically wanted to produce all players themselves.
JVC on the other hand, with their inferior VHS format, was willing to license the technology to other CE producers for a fair price, and by that enabled the CE industry to partake and support VHS. Much the same happens now with HD DVD vs. BD, except that HD DVD is not an inferior format when we measure it by performance, which are picture and sound quality and not a numbers game.
Sony as the driving force behind BD seems to repeate itself and has not fully learnt their lesson of history by wanting dominance, and supporting involvement by the big players and making the small player uncertain if they could have a future in HD disc media.
Two different strategies. Looks like the DVD Forum strategy, involving the smaller companies will be the winner.

Don’t scoff too much of the Chinese HD DVD players. 70% of the DVD players in peoples homes are wholly or partly Chinese built. If we include DVD players in Chinese homes the number is 90%.

Average A/V enthusiast will of course buy mid and high end players from known brands like A20&XA from Toshiba, and from Meridan, Onkyo, Denon etc. as they always have done.
post #148 of 2662
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Originally Posted by Technicolor View Post

After all this partying...

I believe we should think what will be the BDA's response to what seems to be a master's move by the HD DVD camp.
I'm sure the BDA has a few tricks left. We may hear from them soon.

We always do.

Like in the movies... The Empire Strikes Back!!!!!!

That's great.

Maybe the BDA will announce a $99 player without regional coding, and with full, finished PinP spec.

They could change their name to HD DVD, too.

You see I don't prefer HD DVD over BD. I prefer the cheaper, fully finished region free format, and that just happens to be HD DVD.

If BD becomes the same, fine with me.

Steve W
post #149 of 2662
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Originally Posted by Technicolor View Post

After all this partying...

I believe we should think what will be the BDA's response to what seems to be a master's move by the HD DVD camp.

As we all can imagine, no one makes a 2,000,000 players deal, orders the construction of a brand new manufacturing plant and start production in absolute secret. This announcement does not come from magic.

All the insiders must have known this for a long time.

Doesn't the DVD forum know about this? Aren't the BDA members part of the DVD Forum as well?

I'm sure the BDA has a few tricks left. We may hear from them soon.

We always do.

Like in the movies... The Empire Strikes Back!!!!!!

Apart from bending over backwards, kiss and say goodby?

BDA members where not on the right track right from the start. Implementation and market strategy still need to catch up. At the current rate it's fair to say: too late.

The format that gains mass market traction first will win.
This will only happen if cheap HD players are available when people start upgrading SD playback hardware to feed their expensive purchase.
That's where the competition is: Both HD formats need to be able to compete with cheap DVD player hardware.

Currently the market for HD display devices is booming and that is where the money goes.

It's not about movie content and studio support anymore. Both formats have sufficient content to sell.
post #150 of 2662
Walmart is trying to compete with the likes of Best Buy and Circuit City as a major player in cutting edge comsumer electronics, such as ipods, cell phones, and LCD TV's, (whose selection has grown in number). This move would help to complete that transformation (albeit with lower end models) and can move Walmart as a consideration for the home theater buyer. There is no other way for Walmart to grow except to move in on someone else is turf. Why they chose HDDVD is another matter?Price? maybe.
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