Originally Posted by Steverhcp02
Hey guys, BD supporter here that just saw this news.
This can be nothing but good news for HD DVD if true. When we get some solid facts on release and price we can really start some discussion.
I've noticed many people posting on how this spells the end of the format war. While no one knows, id like to offer up my mindset on how this is not as big a deal as some are making it out to be.
First, a solid brand name Toshiba model can be purchased for $300 along with 5 free movies, this has been available since March 1 i think. I dont see the significance in an off brand player retailing for $299 (our only reports not based on guesswork) or even $199 in 6 or 7 months
To me, i think many here are over reacting about price points, as a Toshiba Brand for $300 with 5 free HD DVD's is a better deal for quality of player and price wise.
I think many people overestimate the usage of these players. People are going to buy HD DVD players to play HD DVD movies, not for upscaling now and HD DVD use later. My logic here is the combo format not increasing sales for future HD DVD use as was once thought. People have overestimated people purchasing these things for later use....why would someone buy an HD DVD player to not use it for HD DVD movies?
This, then leads into my first point that if youre going to spend $199 on an HD DVD player youre going to buy 2 or 3 movies to go with it. This only makes the Toshiba brand model with free movies look more respectable.
Im sure ill be flamed and told that im spinning, but i truly dont see the logic of this price point when there are very similar if not better prices on the market right now.....hopefully this will raise some discussion in the midst of the "war over" nonsense.
I don't believe your comments are accurate. This will be a $199 MSRP player, while the nearest Toshiba is currently $399 MSRP. True you currently get 5 free movies, but it is also a $200 difference in MSRP, so that's $40 per movie.
It also won't be 6-7 months. I fully expect these new players to be on store shelves this summer.
Everything that I have heard has indicated that after the 5 free movie deal ends, Toshibia is going to try to sell the A2 for $299 (I don't know if they are going to lower the MSRP, or somehow otherwise make it available at that price). So at that point, which is also this summer, it will be a $299 Toshiba vs. a $199 Wal-Mart, with neither benefitting from free movies. Can you not see how the consumer will see a $100 difference in price as beneficial?
And since Wal-Mart appears to be purchasing their players for $50, they have plenty of room to drop price in lock step with Toshiba, should Toshiba lower their prices further this year.
To me, this would seem like a very big deal, especially considering the the price of an entry level Blu-ray player. Now not only is HD-DVD in a price war with Blu-ray, HD-DVD is in a price war with itself.
For Blu-ray to compete, it will have to start playing the game the way HD-DVD dictates. To do this, Sony will have to break almost all the promises it made to its exclusive supporters. CE's will be angered because the promised player profitibility will evaporate if BD has to compete with HD-DVD on price. With such a large install base for HD-DVD, and Wal-Mart backing (40% of all US DVD sales), studios will have to release on HD-DVD. Blu-ray promised more DRM and better protection of content with BD+. However, if studios now must release on HD-DVD which lacks things like BD+, what value will it have to include on the Blu-ray release. That advantage is erased. This will be a serious blow to Blu-ray and its partners. No matter how Sony responds, it is sure to isolate and offend some aspect of their cartel, which will lead to defection in the ranks.