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post #11431 of 21026
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Originally Posted by ricwhite View Post

Jack will save Ben (for the second time . . . or is that the first time?).

First time for Ben, second time for Jack.
post #11432 of 21026
those surveillance cameras looked awfully sophisticated for the 70s
post #11433 of 21026
OMG.... You mean to tell me that coincidences are not always what they seem to be on LOST? And all this time.... I really think I need a couple swift smacks upside the head with a palm frond or something...


ron
post #11434 of 21026
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Originally Posted by NetworkTV View Post

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RFID (or some other similar proximity tech) will replace keys on cars, houses, etc. and your phone will be used to make purchases.

I already have an RFID key for my BMW that opens the door when I touch the handle, and starts the car without inserting a key with the press of a button.
post #11435 of 21026
And I believe they're doing cell phone vending purchases in Europe.
post #11436 of 21026
I was watching the weekend episodes of Lost, and had a thought about where they may be taking this show:

Someone asked how Dharma got established on the island, and why the "Hostiles" allowed it to happen. Let's face it, they successfully defended the island against the US gov't when they were wanting to test nuclear weapons.

The thing is, I forgot that Widmore partly funded the Initiative, and that Charles Widmore was most likely leading the Others when the Initiative was founded. Doesn't make sense right?

Well, here's what I'm thinking happened. The Others supposedly follow the mysterious Jacob, and whoever leads the Others, has to be able to communicate with him. So what does Jacob want? Jacob wants, or "needs" help...not sure why, but usually it means someone is in a bad situation, or there's an adversary. Perhaps, Widmore convinces Jacob that scientific knowledge of the island is the best way to help him, and thus begins the Dharma Intiative recruitment. Now something had to happen before Ben's arrival, that caused a shift in support away from the Dharma plan. Perhaps Widmore's partners turned on him, or broke a rule of Jacob's. The partners push Widmore out, and his group becomes the Hostiles. This failure weakens Widmore's support among his people, allowing a young Ben Linus an opportunity when he's ready.

Although the Others successfully "purged" the Initiative, that left Widmore in a weakened position. It's possible that he resisted turning over power to Linus, and he and his supporters were exiled...possibly in battle.

Anyway, while this power struggle continues, there's real work to be done. Whatever Jacob needs help with, is why the O6 had to come back to the island. Again, whatever the problem is, it's a "God help us" type of problem. Jacob obviously isn't all-powerful, and doesn't control everything that happens on the island, but he is tied in to it's power and has some limited abilities. Perhaps he's been keeping the island from ripping a hole in time and space and killing everybody. We know the wheel came off axis and caused havoc, so it stands to reason that there's a machine underneath it all...perhaps Jacob runs the machine. That machine gives him the ability over life and death to some extent, but perhaps Jacob is no longer able to keep it running and needs help. btw, I'm betting the entrance to the machine is through the temple, so it needs a security system. How the O6 will be able to help, I don't know yet, but I'm guessing next season will be more about Jacob, and his magic machine! LOL

...I know it's long, but I like to try to guess where the writers are taking this show--I may be WAAAAAY OFF though LOL
post #11437 of 21026
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Originally Posted by Rakesh.S View Post

those surveillance cameras looked awfully sophisticated for the 70s

As I mentioned in a previous post, they were not "period" pieces.
post #11438 of 21026
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Originally Posted by Rakesh.S View Post

those surveillance cameras looked awfully sophisticated for the 70s

Dharma have a sonic fence and you think they can't make a video camera?
post #11439 of 21026
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Originally Posted by VisionOn View Post

Dharma have a sonic fence and you think they can't make a video camera?

touche
post #11440 of 21026
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Originally Posted by JediMastr View Post

I was watching the weekend episodes of Lost, and had a thought about where they may be taking this show:

Someone asked how Dharma got established on the island, and why the "Hostiles" allowed it to happen. Let's face it, they successfully defended the island against the US gov't when they were wanting to test nuclear weapons.

The thing is, I forgot that Widmore partly funded the Initiative, and that Charles Widmore was most likely leading the Others when the Initiative was founded. Doesn't make sense right?

Well, here's what I'm thinking happened. The Others supposedly follow the mysterious Jacob, and whoever leads the Others, has to be able to communicate with him. So what does Jacob want? Jacob wants, or "needs" help...not sure why, but usually it means someone is in a bad situation, or there's an adversary. Perhaps, Widmore convinces Jacob that scientific knowledge of the island is the best way to help him, and thus begins the Dharma Intiative recruitment. Now something had to happen before Ben's arrival, that caused a shift in support away from the Dharma plan. Perhaps Widmore's partners turned on him, or broke a rule of Jacob's. The partners push Widmore out, and his group becomes the Hostiles. This failure weakens Widmore's support among his people, allowing a young Ben Linus an opportunity when he's ready.

Although the Others successfully "purged" the Initiative, that left Widmore in a weakened position. It's possible that he resisted turning over power to Linus, and he and his supporters were exiled...possibly in battle.

Anyway, while this power struggle continues, there's real work to be done. Whatever Jacob needs help with, is why the O6 had to come back to the island. Again, whatever the problem is, it's a "God help us" type of problem. Jacob obviously isn't all-powerful, and doesn't control everything that happens on the island, but he is tied in to it's power and has some limited abilities. Perhaps he's been keeping the island from ripping a hole in time and space and killing everybody. We know the wheel came off axis and caused havoc, so it stands to reason that there's a machine underneath it all...perhaps Jacob runs the machine. That machine gives him the ability over life and death to some extent, but perhaps Jacob is no longer able to keep it running and needs help. btw, I'm betting the entrance to the machine is through the temple, so it needs a security system. How the O6 will be able to help, I don't know yet, but I'm guessing next season will be more about Jacob, and his magic machine! LOL

...I know it's long, but I like to try to guess where the writers are taking this show--I may be WAAAAAY OFF though LOL

Geez, this sounds an awful lot like the flip side of a prior post of mine. Not sure if we should collaborate or I should sue your ass off for copyright infringement.

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Lost - Missing Pages - Part 1

For a guy who likes to exclaim 'The island is mine', or 'The island belongs to me', there may be a whole other dynamic going on than may have been considered here previously. For example, what if Wydmore at some point reached an agreement with Richard that would allow Wydmore to utilize certain properties/technology, powers' of the island for the purported benefit of the island', to help preserve its privacy, resources, etc., and prevent its exploitation by mankind, and Richard is free to maintain the sanctity of the island without intrusion, because he has Wydmore controlling any outside forces' through the power and wealth of his own developing empire.

It would certainly seem a win-win for both at first blush, but perhaps ONLY at first blush. Why? Because Wydmore is Wydmore, and while he may have started out as an uncertain kid, he develops with time into a wealthy and powerful corporate magnate (no pun intended) and he doesn't share well with O/others' (take it in either sense).

So Charles starts getting greedier. His power and wealth could be amplified several fold if the island and its magic was under his sole dominion. But how exactly can he assimilate the island, particularly when Richie and the Jets (The Hostiles/Others) are so deeply encamped against threats? Simple, make it seem like he wants to integrate the two civilizations for the mutual betterment of all. He explains to Alpert how the science of the Dharmans and the spirit/faith/magic of the Others' can be forged together for a whole that is greater than the sum of its parts.

It certainly sounds reasonable enough.except that isn't really the plan. Wydmore actually intends to use the Dharmans as a surreptitious incursion force (something even the Dharmans themselves are not aware of) to destroy Richard and the Others and allow the island to be claimed in the name of Wydmore. However, Richard with his amassed wisdom senses the betrayal and determines to locate one of the Dharmans who might be turned against his own people due to the naievete of his age or how he has been wronged by an abhorrent parent figure, and shortly thereafter, Ben meets Richard in a most fortuitous manner.

Hell,don't forget this was a guy who didn't hesitate to take a whole lot of dead bodies and bury them inside a bogus 815 deep in the ocean for the purpose of further concealing his/the island.
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Palladin

Chance favors the prepared mind
post #11441 of 21026
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Originally Posted by Rod Rebello View Post

I already have an RFID key for my BMW that opens the door when I touch the handle, and starts the car without inserting a key with the press of a button.

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Originally Posted by rezzy View Post

And I believe they're doing cell phone vending purchases in Europe.

I'm talking completely commonplace, the way nearly every new car has remote locks, every car has at least 2 airbags and just about everyone has a cell phone - and, for many, it's their only phone.

Right now, neither RFID or cell phone purchases are commonplace. RFID for cars is pretty much only in luxury vehicles. Even in Europe, cell phone commerce is on a limited basis. For both, we're where we are with them where were about ten years ago with the examples I listed in the above paragraph.

It's getting there.
post #11442 of 21026
One thought that came to me recently is when Richard went to test the young John Locke, how did he get off and back to the island? This was well before Dharma has arrived.
post #11443 of 21026
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Originally Posted by NetworkTV View Post

It's getting there.

True. I really wasn't trying to prove you wrong, or anything.
post #11444 of 21026
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Originally Posted by jabbathespud View Post

One thought that came to me recently is when Richard went to test the young John Locke, how did he get off and back to the island? This was well before Dharma has arrived.

We've often speculated there was another way on and off the Island that didn't involve the submarine or turning the FDW. From the two girls posted in the Looking Glass, we got the impression that there were ongoing "missions" happening off-Island. We saw Tom get to NY pretty frakkin' fast when he intercepted Michael and the implication with his gay lover was that he goes there with some frequency. Then, he got back to the Island pretty quickly as well 'cause he and Sawyer had a play date. And Locke may have already blown up the sub by that point; I can't recall. Anyway, that question has been largely unexplored up to now.
post #11445 of 21026
DOH..

I appologize for my rant about not having enough time to shore up all the loose ends of the show; it seems I was forgetting/didn't know that the show was running for one more season yet.

Just ignore the guy wearing the dunce cap in the corner...
post #11446 of 21026
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Originally Posted by NetworkTV View Post

I'm talking completely commonplace, the way nearly every new car has remote locks, every car has at least 2 airbags and just about everyone has a cell phone - and, for many, it's their only phone.

Right now, neither RFID or cell phone purchases are commonplace. RFID for cars is pretty much only in luxury vehicles. Even in Europe, cell phone commerce is on a limited basis. For both, we're where we are with them where were about ten years ago with the examples I listed in the above paragraph.

It's getting there.

Is my Prius a luxury vehicle? Also, I'm pretty sure almost every new Nissan has smart keys now as well. My friend's Altima has a smart key.
post #11447 of 21026
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Originally Posted by 4HiMarks View Post

I think this is very much a possibility. If the Island has the power to bring the dead back to life, and Desmond knows it, then if Penny should be killed, I think he would rush her to it ASAP to try to get it to revive her. That is about the only scenario I could see where he would return to the Island. Only "having nothing to live for" just doesn't cut it for me.

I still want to know how the Island (or whomever) decides whom to revive and whom not to. Christian and Locke (and maybe Ben), yes; Shannon, Boone, Libby, Anna-Lucia, Charlie, and many more, no. Why? What's the difference? Or do they have to die off-island, in which case Ben is SOL?

The rule seems to be that if someone dies off island, and then is brought to the island, that person is resurrected. If you die on island, you are dead.

I doubt that Desmond, or anyone else, knows about the resurrections, except for Locke, and possibly Richard. Perhaps Richard himself is a resurrectee, which may be why he never ages.
post #11448 of 21026
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Originally Posted by cgh3rd View Post

Thanks for setting me straight. There goes my theory. lol

As for the lostpedia is that spoiler free? I try to avoid them like the plague.


Yes, but the forum might have spoilers.

This is from the front page

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post #11449 of 21026
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Originally Posted by SeattleAl View Post

The rule seems to be that if someone dies off island, and then is brought to the island, that person is resurrected. If you die on island, you are dead.

I doubt that Desmond, or anyone else, knows about the resurrections, except for Locke, and possibly Richard. Perhaps Richard himself is a resurrectee, which may be why he never ages.

That doesn't bode well for young Ben, then, as I mentioned.
post #11450 of 21026
Little Ben does not die. That's it. Write it in stone, tattoo it to your forehead. That gunshot is not fatal.
post #11451 of 21026
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Originally Posted by SeattleAl View Post

The rule seems to be that if someone dies off island, and then is brought to the island, that person is resurrected.

We only have two data points on this. I don't think we can make it a "rule" just yet.

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Little Ben does not die. That's it. Write it in stone, tattoo it to your forehead. That gunshot is not fatal.

+1 Well said.
post #11452 of 21026
Correct me if I'm wrong, we still don't know where Christian or his body actually are, right?

The coffin they found back in Season 1 or 2 was empty, was it not? So Christian's corporeal body is either back in Australia or somewhere on the island, perhaps "alive" as Locke is.
post #11453 of 21026
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Originally Posted by mdr25 View Post

We only have two data points on this. I don't think we can make it a "rule" just yet.

You're forgetting Locke's "Dad" who was killed off island, and showed up alive and well in the Magic Box on the island.

Also, Jin might really have been killed on the freighter, and then drifted back into the island's zone of influence where he was resurrected.
post #11454 of 21026
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Originally Posted by SeattleAl View Post

You're forgetting Locke's "Dad" who was killed off island, and showed up alive and well in the Magic Box on the island.

We don't know that he died. He may have just been drugged while off island and taken to the island. He was simply under the impression that he had died.
post #11455 of 21026
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Originally Posted by jonnythan View Post

Correct me if I'm wrong, we still don't know where Christian or his body actually are, right?

The coffin they found back in Season 1 or 2 was empty, was it not? So Christian's corporeal body is either back in Australia or somewhere on the island, perhaps "alive" as Locke is.

Um. He's with Sun and Frank at the ruined Dharma compound showing them the '77 inductees pic.

What his actual corporeal status is I guess is debatable, since he showed up in the sealed up well to talk to Locke, but he was corporeal enough to take the pic off the wall.
post #11456 of 21026
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Originally Posted by SeattleAl View Post

You're forgetting Locke's "Dad" who was killed off island, and showed up alive and well in the Magic Box on the island.

I thought he was just in an auto accident or something (they didn't specify his injuries, if any); assumed it was staged by Ben's minions so he could be abducted and brought to the Island.
post #11457 of 21026
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Originally Posted by SeattleAl View Post

You're forgetting Locke's "Dad" who was killed off island, and showed up alive and well in the Magic Box on the island.

People, there is no "Magic Box". That was just a metaphor used by Ben.
post #11458 of 21026
Locke's dad only thought he was (himself) dead. He didn't actually die until Sawyer killed him.

I said it a long time ago, and Ben (eventually) confirmed it: The "Magic Box" is a METAPHOR! It doesn't exist. It never did.


(Mostly unrelated: We know Locke is corporeal enough to accept a mango handed to him from the bounty hunter chick.)

Edit: Ressom beat me to it.
post #11459 of 21026
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Originally Posted by sirjonsnow View Post

Um. He's with Sun and Frank at the ruined Dharma compound showing them the '77 inductees pic.

What his actual corporeal status is I guess is debatable, since he showed up in the sealed up well to talk to Locke, but he was corporeal enough to take the pic off the wall.

That's working on the assumption that he too was resurrected just as Locke was. I don't think that's a given at this point, but it's the point I was trying to make.
post #11460 of 21026
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Originally Posted by jonnythan View Post

That's working on the assumption that he too was resurrected just as Locke was. I don't think that's a given at this point, but it's the point I was trying to make.

He's just making a special guest appearance from the fifth dimension...


ron
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