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post #13801 of 20994
2/7/10 at 7:20am
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Originally Posted by b_scott View Post

FYI, new podcast states there are not two timelines. not really a spoiler, it's need to know info.

I listened to the Podcast, & to be correct, they went out of their way to stress that one of the lines isn't an "Alternate" Timeline, saying that the word "Alternate" implies that one of them is "less real" or imortant than the other... They stressed both were as real and valid as the other, neither was to be labled an "alternate...
They were hung up on people considering 1 or the other timeline an "alternate" from reality ... But NOT that there weren't 2 timelines

As a random example, Perhaps the final show could end up showing us an ending timeline, containg a mix of characters from both of these "current" timelines, & the show runners don't want viewers to think that "The real Locke & the real charlie" aren't just as real, because they came from an "Alternate" ...
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post #13802 of 20994
2/7/10 at 7:52am
Yeah, they don't give anything away in the podcasts; they're very careful not to spoil anything. They mostly just joke around and have a grand ol' time for 20 minutes. Nobody should enjoy their jobs that much.

But, let's face it. Two timelines = two parallel universes. Now, they may merge back into one, but right now we're firmly in multiverse territory.
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post #13803 of 20994
2/7/10 at 11:12am
I'm thinking the Orchid station will come into play to resolve the timelines. Apparently the Swan is gone but the Orchid and the FDW and its time mutating properties should still be there.
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post #13804 of 20994
2/7/10 at 11:19am
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Originally Posted by filtor View Post

I'm thinking the Orchid station will come into play to resolve the timelines. Apparently the Swan is gone but the Orchid and the FDW and its time mutating properties should still be there.

I hope you are right. I would love for Lost to get back to something like what happened in the hatch in Season 2.

fafner
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post #13805 of 20994
2/7/10 at 12:34pm
Given that that H-bomb did explode and that the island's magnetic pocket had been opened just prior the explosion, it is possible that the bulk of the explosive power of the bomb was pulled into the magnetic pocket while sealing it.

This allows the island to remain mostly intact and also allows for the island sinking below the ocean in the new 2004 reality. Whether or not this happened at the time of the explosion depends on any of the structures being identified as constructed after 1977.

jdg
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post #13806 of 20994
2/7/10 at 2:29pm
if this season isn't about time travel, that may mean there's not going to be any more skips through time. If that's the case, then it would stand to reason that the bomb in 1977 did sink the island in the new 2004 timeline, and whatever is happening in the original 2007, may have no affect on the new 2004--but it does seem as though there's some connection, especially considering that Jack appears to have some vague idea that something is wrong with the new 2004.

So I'm still thining that although this season may not focus primarily on travelling through time, there may have to be some skipping to connect the two time lines...otherwise they might have two separate endiungs for the show--that would be weird lol
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post #13807 of 20994
2/7/10 at 3:21pm
It is pretty clear that Jack, and perhaps others, are uneasy about some things they are experiencing on the "new" version of the flight to LA. Whether that is real or just put in by the writers to add confusion is not at all clear.

fafner
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post #13808 of 20994
2/7/10 at 3:32pm
I somehow have the feeling that there will be no alternate times, parallell universes or anything else like that at the end of the show.

If Dallas had not already done "it was a dream" that might have been the creators' choice. One thing that might be done would be that everything starting from the crash on the Island never happened at all but was simply in a book that someone else on the flight was reading. I am sure that others here could think of perhaps more creative ideas for a final resolution along these lines.

I do not profess to remember everything the creators have said about Lost, but does anyone remember anything specific that they said which would rule out such an ending?

fafner
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post #13809 of 20994
2/7/10 at 3:48pm
Darlton has said they will definitely not take the easy way out - nor alienate the faithful followers of the show. They also basically said that some may not like the ending ... but that they can't please everyone.
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post #13810 of 20994
2/7/10 at 3:55pm
Ha! Anyone else see Dr Candlewick/Waxman on the Bud Lite Superbowl commercial? That was hilarious..
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post #13811 of 20994
2/7/10 at 3:59pm
I thought that was him ... the other guy looked a bit like Radz but I backed it up and I don't think it was him.
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post #13812 of 20994
2/7/10 at 5:21pm
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Originally Posted by fafner View Post

I somehow have the feeling that there will be no alternate times, parallell universes or anything else like that at the end of the show.

If Dallas had not already done "it was a dream" that might have been the creators' choice. One thing that might be done would be that everything starting from the crash on the Island never happened at all but was simply in a book that someone else on the flight was reading. I am sure that others here could think of perhaps more creative ideas for a final resolution along these lines.

I do not profess to remember everything the creators have said about Lost, but does anyone remember anything specific that they said which would rule out such an ending?

fafner

Somethings they have ruled out that I can think of off the top of my head are that its all dream or all in someone's mind, aliens, purgatory, and that they're in a giant snowglobe.
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post #13813 of 20994
2/7/10 at 6:00pm
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Originally Posted by lwright84 View Post

Somethings they have ruled out that I can think of off the top of my head are that its all dream or all in someone's mind, aliens, purgatory, and that they're in a giant snowglobe.

You have a very good memory

Haven't they also said something to the effect that it is about the characters not the mysteries? Also something like "don't make it complicated...keep it simple."

That would imply it should be very easy to figure out if all the characters and their interactions are figured out.

fafner
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post #13814 of 20994
2/7/10 at 6:17pm
have they answered why Juliette was able to deliver a baby in 197X but not in the "present"?
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post #13815 of 20994
2/7/10 at 7:00pm
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Originally Posted by vanilla rice View Post

have they answered why Juliette was able to deliver a baby in 197X but not in the "present"?

Along those lines, I did not notice if Claire was pregnant or not in the taxi. I would presume she was.

fafner
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post #13816 of 20994
2/7/10 at 7:01pm
Pre-incident.
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post #13817 of 20994
2/7/10 at 7:53pm
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Originally Posted by lwright84 View Post

Somethings they have ruled out that I can think of off the top of my head are that its all dream or all in someone's mind, aliens, purgatory, and that they're in a giant snowglobe.

As I said before:

"The storyline of Lost is similar to a feverish dream that a science fiction fan might have in the depths of a serious illness."
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post #13818 of 20994
2/8/10 at 7:39am
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Originally Posted by Steve Scherrer View Post

I posted this thought a few weeks ago - what I hope is that they stay consistent with the "rules" that they have developed for the show, and gives some glimpse of how the rules work. I don't need everything answered. Even with "who built the statue" - as long as I can come up with a plausible explanation on my own, I would be satisfied.

However, I will say for them to come out and imply that the mysteries of the island are not important is disingenuous. They used this strange mystical place to tell their story. Many of us got hooked on the show precisely because of the ISLAND. To me, the characters are around to illustrate more deeply the properties of the island, not the other way around. To say the island is unimportant, its the characters that count is the same as Ronald D. Moore saying that he couldn't come up with a reasonable conclusion to his mythology in Battlestar Galactica, so he concentrated on the characters instead, despite the fact that the ending didn't make much sense and he ignored key questions about the show.

Anyway, to cut to the chase, I am ok with them not answering everything if I can reasonably fill in the blanks. As it is, for example, I can't, on my own, fill in the blanks of what Smokie might me or how it exists. So I hope they explain it. I sense that they won't. Same with the FDW.

+1

While I'm definitely hoping for more answers ... even if the show ended tomorrow, LOST already has answered more questions than BSG ever did.
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post #13819 of 20994
2/8/10 at 9:28am
I noticed this wasn't mentioned, re: the closed captioning.

I turned on the CC function, but there was no closed captioning for the first hour. Was that true for everyone, or was it something local or network that caused it?
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post #13820 of 20994
2/8/10 at 9:45am
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Originally Posted by humdinger70 View Post

I noticed this wasn't mentioned, re: the closed captioning.

I turned on the CC function, but there was no closed captioning for the first hour. Was that true for everyone, or was it something local or network that caused it?

Must have been a local issue. On WFAA Ch. 8 here in Dallas, we watched the whole 2 hours with CC on. Only minor, somewhat usual problems with the CC...
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post #13821 of 20994
2/8/10 at 11:32am
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Originally Posted by humdinger70 View Post

I noticed this wasn't mentioned, re: the closed captioning.

I turned on the CC function, but there was no closed captioning for the first hour. Was that true for everyone, or was it something local or network that caused it?

I always run the captions while watching Lost, and didn't have any problems last week.
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post #13822 of 20994
2/8/10 at 11:49am
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Originally Posted by fafner View Post

This confirms what I have said all along. The creators really view this show as a drama not as an adventure or mystery story. It also shows the condescening attitude they have toward their viewers. Of course, they had the option to do both but their arrognace is suprisingly obvious as they decided not to do so.

I have been directly involved with the creation of performing arts all my life. What these creators exhibit is known as "regietheater" in today's lingo. In short regietheater is centered totally around the "director" or "creator." He or she can do what ever they want with no regard to typical conventions such as plot, consistancy, etc., and purposedly attempt to center everything around themselves, not the audience nor anyone else.

fafner

fafner

LOL. This is just nutty talk. Are you really even watching this show?


ron
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post #13823 of 20994
2/8/10 at 12:01pm
The Enhanced Episode transcripts from last season's finale really provide some great insight... cant wait for the Enhanced episode of last weeks' premier tomorrow night!

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/The_...ced_transcript
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post #13824 of 20994
2/8/10 at 12:10pm
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Originally Posted by lwright84 View Post

The Enhanced Episode transcripts from last season's finale really provide some great insight... cant wait for the Enhanced episode of last weeks' premier tomorrow night!

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/The_...ced_transcript

They're only enhancing the second hour of the premiere. Schedule shows one hour from last week (2nd) and one new hour.
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post #13825 of 20994
2/8/10 at 4:54pm
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Originally Posted by lwright84 View Post

Somethings they have ruled out that I can think of off the top of my head are that its all dream or all in someone's mind, aliens, purgatory, and that they're in a giant snowglobe.


"They" are full of crap - "they" also said there was no time travel, and that everything in the show was in the realm of 'known' science. I don't trust anything they've disclaimed, based on their track record. It's all possible in their world. And most certainly, they've disclaimed some things that have turned out to be correct. It will all be known in time. Or will it?
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post #13826 of 20994
2/8/10 at 5:13pm
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Originally Posted by Joseph View Post

"They" are full of crap - "they" also said there was no time travel, and that everything in the show was in the realm of 'known' science. I don't trust anything they've disclaimed, based on their track record. It's all possible in their world. And most certainly, they've disclaimed some things that have turned out to be correct. It will all be known in time. Or will it?

Now Joseph, it's not like you to be so cynical. These guys have consistently delivered. And quantum physics is so bizarre, just what we know of it, that anything in the realm of multiverse theory or time travel falls within the parameters of the scientifically possible. Lest we forget, their primary purpose is simply spinning a good yarn. On that, I think we can all agree, they've got a pretty good track record.
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post #13827 of 20994
2/8/10 at 6:02pm
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Originally Posted by Joseph View Post

"They" are full of crap - "they" also said there was no time travel, and that everything in the show was in the realm of 'known' science. I don't trust anything they've disclaimed, based on their track record. It's all possible in their world. And most certainly, they've disclaimed some things that have turned out to be correct. It will all be known in time. Or will it?


They have already explained why they were forced to give those red herrings. The time travel for example.. ABC didnt want to dissuade initial viewers from sticking around by introducing elements of science fiction and time travel early on (even though those elements abound in the early episodes, just not on the surface). Their track record is fairly spotless save for a few incidents like that so Im not exactly sure what youre referring to. When they something is.. the majority of the time it is.. and vice versa. Theyre also accurate when they let us know when we will see this backstory or that explanation or more on whathaveu. Now Im curious.. do you have any specific examples?

Plus, as archi said.. you gotta give them a little elbow room to toy with the certain groups of viewers who watch this show the way it's intended to be watched. I agree that they throw us a trail here and there, and are intentionally ambiguous. However, usually they come back after the fact and show it was all in good fun. The things they've ruled out that I listed above, have been things they have consistently denied over the years.
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post #13828 of 20994
2/8/10 at 7:30pm
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Originally Posted by Joseph View Post

"They" are full of crap - "they" also said there was no time travel,

I would like to know the reference where they said it. Is there any link to the interview, podcast ?
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post #13829 of 20994
2/8/10 at 9:08pm
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Originally Posted by akSun View Post

I would like to know the reference where they said it. Is there any link to the interview, podcast ?

Yeah - this seems to me to be based on one of those statements that has grown mythically over time. I do remember the interview that he is talking about, way back in season one, and it has been a statement we have debated endlessly here over the past several years. I wish I knew their exact words, but my impression of those words is that the explanations were all grounded in science. Now, Miles talking to dead people stretches that a little bit, but there is scientific study surrounding the occult, so who knows. Remember what Ray Bradbury said - any sophisticated technology will appear to be like magic to primitives. Perhaps we are simply too primitive to see that this is all scientifically possible? Certainly, as noted already, time travel has been scientifically studied.

I, for one, am really glad the powers that be have extended the scope of their storytelling. As already stated, they know how to tell a good yarn.
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post #13830 of 20994
2/9/10 at 7:33am
Personally, I prefer to just ignore what the producers say about future shows and just concentrate on some of their explanations for things that have already aired. I think Joseph does have a valid point ... they have not been 100% accurate with their past claims. Time travel is obviously a MAJOR element to the overall series, so that was a pretty big one. I totally understand why they threw out the red herring, but who's to say that will be the only one? In the end, it really doesn't matter and I'd rather just enjoy the show and throw out horribly wrong predictions without the help of the producers.
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