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post #13801 of 21026
Darlton has said they will definitely not take the easy way out - nor alienate the faithful followers of the show. They also basically said that some may not like the ending ... but that they can't please everyone.
post #13802 of 21026
Ha! Anyone else see Dr Candlewick/Waxman on the Bud Lite Superbowl commercial? That was hilarious..
post #13803 of 21026
I thought that was him ... the other guy looked a bit like Radz but I backed it up and I don't think it was him.
post #13804 of 21026
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Originally Posted by fafner View Post

I somehow have the feeling that there will be no alternate times, parallell universes or anything else like that at the end of the show.

If Dallas had not already done "it was a dream" that might have been the creators' choice. One thing that might be done would be that everything starting from the crash on the Island never happened at all but was simply in a book that someone else on the flight was reading. I am sure that others here could think of perhaps more creative ideas for a final resolution along these lines.

I do not profess to remember everything the creators have said about Lost, but does anyone remember anything specific that they said which would rule out such an ending?

fafner

Somethings they have ruled out that I can think of off the top of my head are that its all dream or all in someone's mind, aliens, purgatory, and that they're in a giant snowglobe.
post #13805 of 21026
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Originally Posted by lwright84 View Post

Somethings they have ruled out that I can think of off the top of my head are that its all dream or all in someone's mind, aliens, purgatory, and that they're in a giant snowglobe.

You have a very good memory

Haven't they also said something to the effect that it is about the characters not the mysteries? Also something like "don't make it complicated...keep it simple."

That would imply it should be very easy to figure out if all the characters and their interactions are figured out.

fafner
post #13806 of 21026
have they answered why Juliette was able to deliver a baby in 197X but not in the "present"?
post #13807 of 21026
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Originally Posted by vanilla rice View Post

have they answered why Juliette was able to deliver a baby in 197X but not in the "present"?

Along those lines, I did not notice if Claire was pregnant or not in the taxi. I would presume she was.

fafner
post #13808 of 21026
Pre-incident.
post #13809 of 21026
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Originally Posted by lwright84 View Post

Somethings they have ruled out that I can think of off the top of my head are that its all dream or all in someone's mind, aliens, purgatory, and that they're in a giant snowglobe.

As I said before:

"The storyline of Lost is similar to a feverish dream that a science fiction fan might have in the depths of a serious illness."
post #13810 of 21026
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Originally Posted by Steve Scherrer View Post

I posted this thought a few weeks ago - what I hope is that they stay consistent with the "rules" that they have developed for the show, and gives some glimpse of how the rules work. I don't need everything answered. Even with "who built the statue" - as long as I can come up with a plausible explanation on my own, I would be satisfied.

However, I will say for them to come out and imply that the mysteries of the island are not important is disingenuous. They used this strange mystical place to tell their story. Many of us got hooked on the show precisely because of the ISLAND. To me, the characters are around to illustrate more deeply the properties of the island, not the other way around. To say the island is unimportant, its the characters that count is the same as Ronald D. Moore saying that he couldn't come up with a reasonable conclusion to his mythology in Battlestar Galactica, so he concentrated on the characters instead, despite the fact that the ending didn't make much sense and he ignored key questions about the show.

Anyway, to cut to the chase, I am ok with them not answering everything if I can reasonably fill in the blanks. As it is, for example, I can't, on my own, fill in the blanks of what Smokie might me or how it exists. So I hope they explain it. I sense that they won't. Same with the FDW.

+1

While I'm definitely hoping for more answers ... even if the show ended tomorrow, LOST already has answered more questions than BSG ever did.
post #13811 of 21026
I noticed this wasn't mentioned, re: the closed captioning.

I turned on the CC function, but there was no closed captioning for the first hour. Was that true for everyone, or was it something local or network that caused it?
post #13812 of 21026
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Originally Posted by humdinger70 View Post

I noticed this wasn't mentioned, re: the closed captioning.

I turned on the CC function, but there was no closed captioning for the first hour. Was that true for everyone, or was it something local or network that caused it?

Must have been a local issue. On WFAA Ch. 8 here in Dallas, we watched the whole 2 hours with CC on. Only minor, somewhat usual problems with the CC...
post #13813 of 21026
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Originally Posted by humdinger70 View Post

I noticed this wasn't mentioned, re: the closed captioning.

I turned on the CC function, but there was no closed captioning for the first hour. Was that true for everyone, or was it something local or network that caused it?

I always run the captions while watching Lost, and didn't have any problems last week.
post #13814 of 21026
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Originally Posted by fafner View Post

This confirms what I have said all along. The creators really view this show as a drama not as an adventure or mystery story. It also shows the condescening attitude they have toward their viewers. Of course, they had the option to do both but their arrognace is suprisingly obvious as they decided not to do so.

I have been directly involved with the creation of performing arts all my life. What these creators exhibit is known as "regietheater" in today's lingo. In short regietheater is centered totally around the "director" or "creator." He or she can do what ever they want with no regard to typical conventions such as plot, consistancy, etc., and purposedly attempt to center everything around themselves, not the audience nor anyone else.

fafner

fafner

LOL. This is just nutty talk. Are you really even watching this show?


ron
post #13815 of 21026
The Enhanced Episode transcripts from last season's finale really provide some great insight... cant wait for the Enhanced episode of last weeks' premier tomorrow night!

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/The_...ced_transcript
post #13816 of 21026
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Originally Posted by lwright84 View Post

The Enhanced Episode transcripts from last season's finale really provide some great insight... cant wait for the Enhanced episode of last weeks' premier tomorrow night!

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/The_...ced_transcript

They're only enhancing the second hour of the premiere. Schedule shows one hour from last week (2nd) and one new hour.
post #13817 of 21026
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Originally Posted by lwright84 View Post

Somethings they have ruled out that I can think of off the top of my head are that its all dream or all in someone's mind, aliens, purgatory, and that they're in a giant snowglobe.


"They" are full of crap - "they" also said there was no time travel, and that everything in the show was in the realm of 'known' science. I don't trust anything they've disclaimed, based on their track record. It's all possible in their world. And most certainly, they've disclaimed some things that have turned out to be correct. It will all be known in time. Or will it?
post #13818 of 21026
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Originally Posted by Joseph View Post

"They" are full of crap - "they" also said there was no time travel, and that everything in the show was in the realm of 'known' science. I don't trust anything they've disclaimed, based on their track record. It's all possible in their world. And most certainly, they've disclaimed some things that have turned out to be correct. It will all be known in time. Or will it?

Now Joseph, it's not like you to be so cynical. These guys have consistently delivered. And quantum physics is so bizarre, just what we know of it, that anything in the realm of multiverse theory or time travel falls within the parameters of the scientifically possible. Lest we forget, their primary purpose is simply spinning a good yarn. On that, I think we can all agree, they've got a pretty good track record.
post #13819 of 21026
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Originally Posted by Joseph View Post

"They" are full of crap - "they" also said there was no time travel, and that everything in the show was in the realm of 'known' science. I don't trust anything they've disclaimed, based on their track record. It's all possible in their world. And most certainly, they've disclaimed some things that have turned out to be correct. It will all be known in time. Or will it?


They have already explained why they were forced to give those red herrings. The time travel for example.. ABC didnt want to dissuade initial viewers from sticking around by introducing elements of science fiction and time travel early on (even though those elements abound in the early episodes, just not on the surface). Their track record is fairly spotless save for a few incidents like that so Im not exactly sure what youre referring to. When they something is.. the majority of the time it is.. and vice versa. Theyre also accurate when they let us know when we will see this backstory or that explanation or more on whathaveu. Now Im curious.. do you have any specific examples?

Plus, as archi said.. you gotta give them a little elbow room to toy with the certain groups of viewers who watch this show the way it's intended to be watched. I agree that they throw us a trail here and there, and are intentionally ambiguous. However, usually they come back after the fact and show it was all in good fun. The things they've ruled out that I listed above, have been things they have consistently denied over the years.
post #13820 of 21026
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Originally Posted by Joseph View Post

"They" are full of crap - "they" also said there was no time travel,

I would like to know the reference where they said it. Is there any link to the interview, podcast ?
post #13821 of 21026
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Originally Posted by akSun View Post

I would like to know the reference where they said it. Is there any link to the interview, podcast ?

Yeah - this seems to me to be based on one of those statements that has grown mythically over time. I do remember the interview that he is talking about, way back in season one, and it has been a statement we have debated endlessly here over the past several years. I wish I knew their exact words, but my impression of those words is that the explanations were all grounded in science. Now, Miles talking to dead people stretches that a little bit, but there is scientific study surrounding the occult, so who knows. Remember what Ray Bradbury said - any sophisticated technology will appear to be like magic to primitives. Perhaps we are simply too primitive to see that this is all scientifically possible? Certainly, as noted already, time travel has been scientifically studied.

I, for one, am really glad the powers that be have extended the scope of their storytelling. As already stated, they know how to tell a good yarn.
post #13822 of 21026
Personally, I prefer to just ignore what the producers say about future shows and just concentrate on some of their explanations for things that have already aired. I think Joseph does have a valid point ... they have not been 100% accurate with their past claims. Time travel is obviously a MAJOR element to the overall series, so that was a pretty big one. I totally understand why they threw out the red herring, but who's to say that will be the only one? In the end, it really doesn't matter and I'd rather just enjoy the show and throw out horribly wrong predictions without the help of the producers.
post #13823 of 21026
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Originally Posted by Steve Scherrer View Post

Yeah - this seems to me to be based on one of those statements that has grown mythically over time. I do remember the interview that he is talking about, way back in season one, and it has been a statement we have debated endlessly here over the past several years.

I have read one of their interviews way back in which they talk about time travel and to me it is very inconclusive as to whether they said there will be no time travel for certainty.

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I wish I knew their exact words, but my impression of those words is that the explanations were all grounded in science. Now, Miles talking to dead people stretches that a little bit, but there is scientific study surrounding the occult, so who knows.

Look at my sig.

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Remember what Ray Bradbury said - any sophisticated technology will appear to be like magic to primitives. Perhaps we are simply too primitive to see that this is all scientifically possible? .

That was Arthur C Clarke
post #13824 of 21026
This was an interview near the end of season 1:

Lindelof said that a DVD set of the first season will come out this summer, before a second season begins in the fall. As the show progresses, he added, it won't venture too far into science fiction as its mysteries unfold. "We're still trying to be ... firmly ensconced in the world of science fact," he said in an interview. "I don't think we've shown anything on the show yet ... that has no rational explanation in the real world that we all function within. We certainly hint at psychic phenomena, happenstance and ... things being in a place where they probably shouldn't be. But nothing is flat-out impossible. There are no spaceships. There isn't any time travel."

As you can see the implication is that currently in the show at that point in time.. there isnt any time travel. They didnt say there would never be time travel or that those elements arent already hinted at. They simply said that they have not presented any time travel as of that point in the show.

The other quotes still ring pretty true for that point in time of the show, and they never definitively said that certain sci-fi elements wont become more prominent as the show progresses. Basically.. they said "look as of right now this show is about the characters and the connection they have to one another and what their purpose is for being on this mysterious Island. We are only hinting at the big picture and for a little while -- both for creative reasons and due to ABC PR restrictions -- we are not presenting any real, solid elements of science fiction, phsyics, or the supernatural. We are trying to remain as grounded as possible while we develop the foundation for beginning to introduce the arcs that will lead us to the endgame."

That whole quote is in the context of season 1 and what they were presenting to the collectively captivated audience. Had they made the time travel, sci-fi, and other elements prominent that early on the show wouldn't have been nearly as successful and the writing would've suffered for it. As it is, that first season is filled with so much symbolism, foreshadowing, and clues that the more attentive watchers (and those who re-watch) can marvel at it's subtle and not-so-subtle brilliance all the more.

EDIT: Knowing what we know about Damon\\Carlton and how their masterfulness with interviews and Q&A's.. that last line about there not being any time travel screams that he was dropping a HUGE hint in such an obvious way that it would be taken at face value by the majority of viewers (which is obviously what happened). Looking back.. he was simply having fun with the knowledge that there would be time travel elements in the upcoming season 2 and beyond and was being perfectly facetious.
post #13825 of 21026
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Originally Posted by lwright84 View Post

This was an interview near the end of season 1:

Lindelof said that a DVD set of the first season will come out this summer, before a second season begins in the fall. As the show progresses, he added, it won't venture too far into science fiction as its mysteries unfold. "We're still trying to be ... firmly ensconced in the world of science fact," he said in an interview. "I don't think we've shown anything on the show yet ... that has no rational explanation in the real world that we all function within. We certainly hint at psychic phenomena, happenstance and ... things being in a place where they probably shouldn't be. But nothing is flat-out impossible. There are no spaceships. There isn't any time travel."

As you can see the implication is that currently in the show at that point in time.. there isnt any time travel. They didnt say there would never be time travel or that those elements arent already hinted at. They simply said that they have not presented any time travel as of that point in the show.

The other quotes still ring pretty true for that point in time of the show, and they never definitively said that certain sci-fi elements wont become more prominent as the show progresses. Basically.. they said "look as of right now this show is about the characters and the connection they have to one another and what their purpose is for being on this mysterious Island. We are only hinting at the big picture and for a little while -- both for creative reasons and due to ABC PR restrictions -- we are not presenting any real, solid elements of science fiction, phsyics, or the supernatural. We are trying to remain as grounded as possible while we develop the foundation for beginning to introduce the arcs that will lead us to the endgame."

That whole quote is in the context of season 1 and what they were presenting to the collectively captivated audience. Had they made the time travel, sci-fi, and other elements prominent that early on the show wouldn't have been nearly as successful and the writing would've suffered for it. As it is, that first season is filled with so much symbolism, foreshadowing, and clues that the more attentive watchers (and those who re-watch) can marvel at it's subtle and not-so-subtle brilliance all the more.

EDIT: Knowing what we know about Damon\\Carlton and how their masterfulness with interviews and Q&A's.. that last line about there not being any time travel screams that he was dropping a HUGE hint in such an obvious way that it would be taken at face value by the majority of viewers (which is obviously what happened). Looking back.. he was simply having fun with the knowledge that there would be time travel elements in the upcoming season 2 and beyond and was being perfectly facetious.

It's all in what the meaning of what the word "is" is........................ ?????
post #13826 of 21026
I fell asleep on "LA X" last week; looks like there's an enhanced repeat, 8/7c tonight.
post #13827 of 21026
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Originally Posted by rezzy View Post

I fell asleep on "LA X" last week; looks like there's an enhanced repeat, 8/7c tonight.



you must've been insanely tired
post #13828 of 21026
I was. I do have the ability to record OTA HD, but it's not as easy as I'd like. I really need a good DVR.
post #13829 of 21026
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Originally Posted by rezzy View Post

I fell asleep on "LA X" last week; looks like there's an enhanced repeat, 8/7c tonight.

The enhanced repeat is only of the second hour, so I hope you fell asleep after the halfway mark.
post #13830 of 21026
What did the guy in glasses say to the Japanese guy right after they shocked Sayid? I missed it, it was right before commercial break.
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