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post #1 of 15
Thread Starter 
I have two Pioneer Elite PD-F19 300 disc CD changers. One is the slave, and one is the Master. The disc titles show up on the Master unit, and a 1/8 inch plug controls the slave transport. However, there is only an analog audio pass-through. I have two digital outs (either coax or optical) that I need to get into one input on my CAL Sigma II. Any ideas?!? Thanks!!
post #2 of 15
Go to msbtech.com and see the Digital Director. I got mine last year when they were offering them for $ 199. They are asking more lately.It's an X-cellent product though and is also a jitter reducer.I never thought I had a jitter problem,just like you I had more plugs than in's.I hope this helps. I am suprised there are not more products like the Director out there...

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post #3 of 15
According to the price list on their web site, msbtech is still offering the Digital Director (in silver) for $199. Another similar product is Audio Authority's 1177 AutoSelector (http://208.149.133.207/1177.html ) for $129.
post #4 of 15
BobDole:

The digital director may not work. If the Pioneers are anything like the master/slave situation with the Sony CD changers, it WON'T work. I'll explain.

I was about to go the Digital Director route last year, because I wanted the benefit of daisy-chaining the units and still using the digital outputs of each. When I learned that my Proceed PAV/PDSD had the same capability (auto-migration of digital signals), I said great, already got it.

Problem: in the Sony master/slave situation, even when the units are daisy chained together, and even when a disc is playing from one unit, the digital signal is active from BOTH the master/slave, and the Digital Director will not "know" to switch the signal. As I recall, only one of the two signals will get priority (think it was the master), and that's all you're ever going to hear anything from.

The way I "solved" the problem was to continue to daisy chain the units, but to use the digital outputs of each player into the surround processor/preamp, using, obviously, a separate input for each. What this means is that I have to physically change the inputs (ok--I press a button on my remote) on my preamp depending on which player is playing. Not the best solution, but the only I found that permits me to use the daisy chaining, while still getting the benefits of my outboard d/a converter.

In your case, the Digital Director may work, but only if you "manually" switch the inputs, depending on what player is playing. Don't know if the DD has a remote.
[This message has been edited by Nicholas (edited May 16, 2000).]

[This message has been edited by Nicholas (edited May 16, 2000).]
post #5 of 15
Thread Starter 
Thanks for all the help guys! Nicholas: I spoke to MSB today about this problem, and they have a 69 dollar upgrade which will select the signal that is *playing* from the two changers, both of which are one! I'm really exctied!
post #6 of 15
BobDole:

Great News!!

I'll be calling MSB today, because if that problem has been solved, I now have four of these units (two slaves, two masters), and I can hook them all up, and then go out into my preamp with a balanced cable. Seriously good news.

Nick
post #7 of 15
I spoke with MSB today and ordered the Digital Director with the "Scan" upgrade. Unfortunately, what I was told was that this upgrade costs $175, while the upgrade for the 94/26 was $69. I think they put out good products, but MSB is, in my view, grossly overpriced. For some of their "modifications" to receivers, for example, you can just buy a new receiver, and have money left over.

I'm still not 100% convinced that this is going to work, so I was assured that I could return it without a restocking fee for 30 days, if it didn't work. We'll see.

BobDole, let me know exactly what MSB is charging you for this, so I can verify I'm not getting ripped.

Thanks,

Nick
post #8 of 15
Thread Starter 
When I spoke to them yesterday, they told me that they could sell me a silver Digital Director (cosmetically different, but the same otherwise) with the upgrade for 269. I plan on ordering it in about ten days or so, and I will let you know for sure. Drop me an email at justin.f.keith@vanderbilt.edu to remind me. I hope it works out well, this seems to be the perfect solution to our problem!
post #9 of 15
MSB is a bit pricey! I think this stuff is hand-made though.My Digital Director weighs 5 pounds,proably more! It sure seems well built.It's a heavy little sucker....

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post #10 of 15
The MSB Digital Director with the Scan Upgrade . . .

Did not work.

It sounded like ******** when the guy from MSB was explaining it to me, because I've been down this road before. The problem is that with the Sony daisy chain of changers, there is no way to route the digital signal from the slave to the master. Thus, the only way to use an outboard d/a converter is to use the optical output of each player, into the processor. The problem comes with switching the signal when, for example, you have both of the players "shuffling" randomly, playing discs from either the master or the slave randomly.

My Proceed PDSD has what is conceptually the thing that would work, i.e., an automigration feature, which permits you to assign the preamp to "switch" to the active digital signal in a daisy chain situation. And therein lies the problem: both the master and the slave are always "active," even when no disc is playing in that unit (because both units are always "on," in a master/slave setup), and the only thing the switching device does is lock onto the "first" active signal. The result is that it's right about half the time.

My hope is that MSB simply gave me a bad product, because I'll definitely try it again, but I don't think so. Since I'd been through this last year with Proceed, relative to its automigration feature, I was aware of the issues, and I really didn't get the most confident answers from the MSB person with whom I spoke.

Oh, well.
post #11 of 15
It worked!

MSB had sent one without the scan upgrade. The replacement had the scan upgrade.

It worked!
post #12 of 15
I'm glad the Director with upgrade is working for you.I'll keep this in mind if I ever go for the mega-changer route.I just use my Director to make a couple of extra inputs.

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Ms. Bitchlist
post #13 of 15
Rachel:

Do you use the digital output from your DVD player into the Digital Director? I wonder what it might do to the signal, especially the DTS signal (then again, it does nothing wrong to the DTS cd signal).

I do believe I'm hearing some sonic difference, hopefully from the jitter reduction. My Proceed already has significant jitter reduction in the PDSD processor, though.
post #14 of 15
Thread Starter 
NIcholas, I am so glad it worked out for you! I am almost ready to buy a digital director with the scan upgrade. I was curious, do you have any problems when it switches quickly between changers, like in a random play mode? Thanks!!
post #15 of 15
Nicholas,I have always given my DVD player a straight into the processor conection.I use my Director with my old pre the Pioneer SPD-99,which has only 2 inputs besides the RF in.So,I run the Laserdisc and MD players thru it.I might reroute the DVD player out of curiosity,now that you mention it...

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