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Toshiba XS32, XS54, XS35, (all XS models) - HDD swap info!!!

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HDD SWAPS - UPDATED 5/8/08 -- I will update this first post with Toshiba XS series HDD-related info as it becomes available, so don't forget to check back here!

The hard drives in ALL XS models (including the KX50) can easily be replaced with the same model HDD, or one of the other models listed in the service manual for that XS model (later in this post and also in my post #13)! They're all pretty much simple, drop-in replacements. No esoteric procedures, service remotes, firmware update discs, etc. Physically replace the HDD, then go to Setup--HDD Format. That's it. The XS54 and XS55 seem to be able to use the widest variety of HDDs (sizes and models). The XS54 and XS55 can also recognize drives over 250GB, but will only format them to 250GB (we don't yet know if that may lead to corrupted data with long term use, so use caution). The XS32 and KX50 are the only models (so far) that can have their capacity doubled - 80GB to 160GB. If replacing an HDD in an XS52 or KX50, set the HDD jumper to cable select. The XS32, XS52 and KX50 can interchangeably use the same 80GB and 160GB drives.

It's getting nearly impossible to find new, and much harder to find refurbished, 80GB and 160GB compatible HDDs at a fair price. So if you have an XS32, XS34, XS52 or KX50, you might want to stock up on an extra HDD now if you can find one. Check ebay, newegg, geeks, etc. A reasonable price for a refurbished 80GB or 160GB Maxtor or Seagate is currently (10/10/07) around $35-$50, and I've seen new ones go for $150+. Also, the CE or CS suffix on the Seagate/Maxtor drive part numbers in the service manual parts list (below) may be very important, as a couple of users have reported that non-CE suffixed HDDs won't work in a KX50.

New and refurbed HDDs, and HDDs that have been formatted in a pc, need to be formatted in the target XS model via Setup--HDD Format. When indicated below that an HDD from one XS model will work in another, the HDDs can be swapped back and forth between units with all recorded content intact, and without reformatting. Keep in mind, it's probably safest to format any HDD in the unit it will be installed in, as we don't know if drives may eventually get corrupted by recording on different units. Or, you could fill up one HDD, remove it, store it, install another, fill it up, etc. You can also set up an external HDD, which may be easier for anyone switching between multiple HDDs (of course, only one at a time), or using HDDs for archiving (see nextoo's post in this thread about external HDD setups).

You can take a compatible model HDD out of a pc and it will work in the appropriate XS model after formatting in the XS. You can also use an XS HDD in a pc, but XS recorded content is NOT visible to the pc, and Windows, etc., can't use the drive until you format it in the pc.

The physical HDD swap is generally similar to replacing an HDD in a pc. Use common sense and caution - make sure the unit is unplugged, avoid damaging components or pc boards (careful with that screwdriver, Eugene), avoid touching the power supply board components (capacitors can hold a charge), etc.

If you're getting an error in the 7000 range on the XS display, it's most likely due to an incompatible HDD, a bad HDD, or a bad, broken or disconnected HDD or burner cable. If trying a new HDD not listed in this post, it seems that 80GB, 160GB and 250GB HDDs have the best chance of working. So far, only 80GB and 160GB HDDs work in the XS32, XS52, and KX50. If anyone swaps any other Toshiba XS HDDs, please post to this thread, so we can add to this list of what works and what doesn't. Thanks. And thank you to everyone who has posted their efforts, whether successful or not!

I am regularly updating this first post with current replacement hard drive info - model numbers, tips, etc., so check back here to see what works at a glance.

Step by step HDD swap procedure (most models are very similar):

1. Unplug the XS and remove the cover (unscrew phillips head screws on sides and rear, then pull/slide cover up and back).
2. Remove the original HDD mounting screws and/or bracket, and remove the HDD. Depending on the XS model, it may be easier to remove the mounting bracket and HDD together, and separate them once out of the unit. In the XS54, a ground wire is attached to the bracket by one of the screws.
3. Carefully remove the power and data cables. The data cable is attached to a small pc board, which, in turn, attaches to the HDD. The XS54 also has a capacitor soldered to the board. Be careful removing the cables, and especially the pc board from the HDD, as you really don't want to break anything.
4. Make sure that the HDD jumper is set to "Master" on all models except for the XS52/KX50, when it should be on "Cable Select."
5. Plug in the new HDD to the power and data cables and replace the HDD and/or bracket, ground wire (XS54) and screws.
6. Double check that no screws (or screwdrivers) are laying on a pc board, all cables are properly attached, no other cables or parts are damaged, squished, etc.
7. Replace the XS cover and screws.
8. Plug in the unit, and if it's an XS54, wait for "Wait" to clear off the display.
9. Power on the unit and when the HDD problem/authentication/contact service center messages appear on the screen, press the "Enter" button on the remote to clear them.
10. Press "Setup" on the remote, scroll to HDD format and format the HDD.
11. Check the time remaining and make a couple of test recordings to make sure it's working okay.


Toshiba XS HDD swaps that DO work:

XS32 - 80GB Maxtor 4R080L0 - I've been able to repeatedly swap multiple HDDs (original and new) between two XS32s and record on them, with all content intact between repeated swaps. I also formatted one of these in a WinXP pc and it works in an XS32 after Setup--HDD format.
XS32 - 160GB Seagate ST3160022A - You can upgrade the XS32 from 80GB to 160GB. After formatting this new HDD in the XS32, you can use the entire 160GB!! This is a replacement model HDD for the XS52, and the XS32 can use one of these HDDs straight from an XS52, and vice-versa, with all content intact.
XS32 - 160GB Maxtor 4R160L0 - Can use the full 160GB once formatted.

Note: It looks like the XS32 can use any of these 4 different HDDs interchangeably: 80GB Maxtor 4R080L0, 80GB Seagate ST380012ACE, 160GB Maxtor 4R160L0, 160GB Seagate ST316022ACE, regardless of which model HDD was originally in the unit.

XS52 - 160GB Seagate ST3160022A - Set HDD jumper to cable select.
XS52 - 160GB Maxtor 4R160L0 - Set HDD jumper to cable select.
XS52 - 80GB Maxtor 4R080L0 - I took an XS32 HDD and it works fine in the XS52 without formatting. All XS32 content is intact in the XS52. Set HDD jumper to cable select.

XS54 -
80GB Maxtor 4R080L0
160GB Maxtor 4R160L0
160GB Seagate ST3160022A
160GB Seagate ST3160812A
160GB Seagate ST3160212ACE (BenWhitmire 1/16/08)
200GB Seagate ST3200822A (BenWhitmire)
250GB Maxtor 6L250R0
400GB Seagate ST3400832ACE (10/31/07) - Formats to 250GB only

These next HDDs work in both the XS54 and XS55
80GB Seagate ST380012ACE (nextoo)
160GB Maxtor 6L160P0 (nextoo)
250GB Maxtor 6L250R0 (nextoo)
250GB Seagate ST325083ACE (nextoo)
250GB Western Digital WD2500JB (ATA100) (nextoo)
250GB Maxtor MaxLine II (ATA/133) (nextoo)

XS35 - 250GB WD - but the XS35 can only use 160GB and you must use the reset procedure in nextoo's later post to avoid losing content. Not as straightforward as same size HDD swap. (nextoo)
XS35 - 80GB (shawbros)

KX50 - 80GB Seagate ST380012A (BenWhitmire) - Set jumper to cable select
KX50 - 80GB Maxtor 4R080L0 (glgehman2) - Set jumper to cable select
KX50 - 160GB Seagate ST3160022ACE - (BenWhitmire) - Only formats to 80GB, NOT 160GB - Set jumper to cable select
KX50 NOTE: At least with the KX50, it seems that only HDDs with the CE suffix will work, and HDDs ending simply in A, won't work.

XS55 - ST3500641A 500GB - Only formats to 250GB, NOT 500GB (nextoo)
XS55 - Hitachi Deskstar T7K500 HDT725032VLAT80 (0A33405) 320GB - Only formats to 250GB (nextoo)
XS55 - Same as XS54. Please see XS54 info above (nextoo) It looks like the XS54 and XS55 can use a variety of HDDs greater than 250GB, but will only format them to 250GB.

Notes: It looks like the 80GB and 160GB HDDs listed for the XS32, XS52, KX50, XS34 (not the XS35 160GB Maxtor 6L160P0) will work in all XS/KX models. Many 250GB HDDs will work in the XS54/XS55 (some also in the XS35, but complicated). HDDs over 250GB may work in the XS54/XS55, but will only format to 250GB, so it's probably better to stick with a 250GB. Other HDDs smaller then 250GB may work in the XS54/XS55, but, again, 80GB, 160GB and 250GB are probably the safest.


Toshiba XS HDD swaps that DON'T work:

XS32 - 40GB, 120GB and 250GB Maxtor
XS32 - 320GB Seagate ST3320620A (HH37)
XS32 - 160GB ST3160812A
XS32 - 160GB Maxtor STM3160815A (gblanc)
XS32 - 300GB Maxtor 4A300J0OEM (gblanc)
XS32 - 160GB Maxtor 6L160P0 (10/31/07)

XS52 - 250GB Maxtor 6L250R0
XS52 - 160GB ST3160812A

XS54 - 120GB Maxtor

KX50 - 160GB Maxtor 6L160P0 (nextoo) - HDD from an XS35 - gives error 7034
KX50 - 160GB Seagate ST3160212ACE (BenWhitmire 1/16/08) - gives 70xx error
KX50 - There have been a few reports of HDDs from another KX50 and various other HDDs not working. I'm leaning towards those being bad HDDs, as we now have a few KX50 HDD replacements that work fine. Also, it looks like only HDDs with the CE suffix will work in the KX50.


These are the replacement HDDs listed in the service manual parts lists (or other source as noted) for each model:

XS32 - 80GB - Maxtor 4R080L0 or Seagate ST380012ACE

XS52 - 160GB - Maxtor 4R160L0CS or Seagate ST3160022ACECS
KX50 - 80GB - Maxtor 4R080L0CS or Seagate ST380012ACECS

XS34 - 160GB - Seagate ST3160022ACECS

XS54 - 250GB - Maxtor 7Y250P0 or Seagate ST3250823ACE
XS54 - My XS54 has a factory installed 250GB Maxtor 6L250R0

XS35 - 160GB - Maxtor 6L160P0 (nextoo)

XS55 - 250GB - Maxtor 6L250R0 or Seagate ST3250823ACE

Note: We need some more user reports on whether or not the CE or CS suffix is important for each Seagate/Maxtor HDD. The CE suffix seems to be necessary for at least the KX50, and I've used HDDs ending in A (without the CE) in an XS54 and maybe other models.

Links to some other Toshiba XS model recorder threads on avsforum.com:


Tosh XS32 DVD Burner: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=653912

Toshiba RD-XS54: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=579864

Toshiba RD-XS32 Help Thread, Current Owners Only: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=490616

Toshiba XS55 - Enabling slinbox like performance: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=896385

XS34 owners....: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=540826

Toshiba RD-XS35 fan noise issue - found a fix for it: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=799382

Quiet a Toshiba Fan Mod: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=856807
post #2 of 461
HUGE!!!!!

I wonder what would happen if you put the original drive back. Meaning I wonder if it would just boot up fine without the warnings and the need to format. Thus retaining any content already on the drive. I'm already thinking about an external HDD setup.....
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Originally Posted by nextoo View Post

HUGE!!!!!

I wonder what would happen if you put the original drive back. Meaning I wonder if it would just boot up fine without the warnings and the need to format. Thus retaining any content already on the drive. I'm already thinking about an external HDD setup.....

Funny you should ask... I just hooked the original HDD back up and it works perfectly! No warnings. All content is still there. I can record, dub, etc. Just as if I never did anything.

Yeah, I'm thinking about an external setup, too.
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Funny you should ask... I just hooked the original HDD back up and it works perfectly! No warnings. All content is still there. I can record, dub, etc. Just as if I never did anything.

Yeah, I'm thinking about an external setup, too.

Great news!!! Now I have to reconsider my external Polaroid setup. I have the Polaroid feeding my XS54 right now for the component to svideo conversion - for recording full 16x9 material from an HD source (480i). But the Toshiba offers so much more. Decisions decisions. The Polaroid performs great and has 2 terrabytes of storage but again the Toshiba offers a lot more. The Polaroid isn't going anywhere but the Toshiba may be storing more.

By the way it looks like the Toshiba XS54 uses a Maxtor with "Quickview" technology. My guess is that all replacement drives will have to be Quickview? Not sure just a guess. Here's some info on Quickview:

'Maxtor QuickView® hard drives are used in OEM products that enable consumers to record, store and play back digital audio and video on personal video recorders, set-top boxes, game consoles and broadband appliances. The drives are actually audio/video recording and playback subsystems that provide capabilities including dual stream play and record, live broadcast pause and live instant replay. Using QuickView recording and playback technology, frame-accurate A/V streaming is managed within the drive itself without the necessity of a host device.'

The drive sold at Newegg is a Quickview drive. I just ordered one. Also I just checked and my XS35 has a Quickview 160GB Maxtor drive.
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I'm still numb. $60 delivered for a 250GB drive for a Toshiba XS54 that is a snap to install. Wow. And an easy DVD burner swap. It doesn't get any better. If it had component inputs it would be perfect. But none the less this news is like finding the holy grail for Toshiba owners (at least for XS54's and I'm assuming other models as well).
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I put the new drive in the XS54 straight out of the antistatic bag. I didn't hook it up to a pc, format it, or mess with it in any way. Just made sure that the jumper was set to master. The drives that I had tried without success in my XS32 weren't a model match, and mattack's no-go drive replacement last year may have been due to an attempt to first clone the original XS32 HDD. It would be pretty darn funny if all we needed to do was try a brand new drive. Or maybe just a clean one?

I don't know if Quickview is marketing strategy or not. A Seagate ACE HDD is also listed as a replacement, does it have a similar feature?

nextoo, I'm anxious to hear how it goes when you try it. Did you double check the model number on your Maxtor?

Yeah, $60 for 250GB that you can always use in a pc, and now seems to work in the XS54 is a no-brainer.
post #7 of 461
Wow, that's pretty amazing.

I guess the question now is, is this "magic" drive important, or would any (cheaper) drive work..

I HIGHLY doubt there is anything to this Quickview stuff beyond marketing-- any normal computer hard drive can be reading/writing different things at the same time. That said, it's quite possible you MUST use a Quickview drive for a replacement. It'd be really interesting to know if you could just swap in ANY drive.

And has no one tried just shoving a new HD in the XS32 without messing with it first?

That said, anyone willing to break open their XS35 and check out a swap? I'd do it but mine are still under warranty and I don't want to break it open, but would love to buy a couple extra hard drives to have for backups. If we can service the HDD and DVD units, these units are in pretty good long-term shape.

It's possible Toshiba did do some weird tricks on the XS32 that they gave up with on newer models (cost, etc, to have special drives or tricks needed. I mean, c'mon, how many people are going to crack open their DVD recorder and start messing with the insides?!)

Awesome find, thanks for posting!
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I think we just broke the Toshiba HDD swap code.

I just swapped out my XS35 160GB Maxtor Quickview drive with a 250GB Western Digital drive.

Here's the procedure for drives from different manufacturers. This is probably not necessary if you are swapping the same model drive like rickc5 posted above :

1. Boot up the machine. Power off by doing a reset. By this I mean hold the power button down for more that 10 seconds.

2. Unplug the machine after the machine goes though its reset process. It will say "wait" during the reset process. When the time is shown it is safe to unplug the machine.

3. Install your new drive. In my case it was the 250GB WD. Boot up the machine. You will get three alert messages similar to "warning Will Robinson". Hit enter on the remote to clear them. The machine will complete its boot process.

4. Go into setup and format the new HDD.

5. Smile. You're done.

A couple of notes.

- The WD 250GB I installed still only showed 160GB of space under disc info - 72 hours at SP if I remember correctly. So this is not a way to increase disc storage. It is a way to replace a failing HDD.

- This did not work when installing a smaller drive. I tried it with a Seagate 120GB and it was a no go. So the replacement should be the same size as the original or larger.

- When I put the original drive back in the machine it would not boot. I got a fatal error. I had to reinstall the Western Digital. Boot the machine and do another reset - press the power button the the machine for more than 10 seconds like above. This I believe clears something in the RAM that may remember the previous HDD. After doing this reset I was able to install the original drive and boot with no problems. I believe this has been the problem in previous attempts. You have to do a reset before you install the new drive. So simple! This does not sound like it is necessary if using the original model drive as noted by rickc5 above.

Have fun. It is still early in the game because things have not been fully tested.

But here's the secret for drives different than the original -

Do a reset before you install the new drive!

Also one more thing - the WD drive I installed was one of my Polaroid 2001G drives. It was formatted by the Polaroid. I had a few titles on it which I deleted before I installed it into the XS35. So I really think it is as simple as doing the reset before you install the new drive.
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This is really great you guys have this working. Just for posterity, can you guys please post the exact model numbers you're using and having success with?
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This is really great you guys have this working. Just for posterity, can you guys please post the exact model numbers you're using and having success with?

WD2500JB was used in the XS35 I am testing. It is funny how these things work. I purchased an "as is" XS35 on eslay for $57. It said it would not read discs. Well it reads discs just fine but there are other problems with the machine. Bad tuner etc. So I have been working with it by doing a lot of resets etc. As a matter of fact I completely gutted the machine by removing drives and boards and then putting it back together. So it was a perfect test machine. For $57 I got a 160GB HDD, a working DVD drive and a remote. And a perfect machine to rip apart. I'd hesitate doing this kind of stuff with my XS54.

After reading rickc5's post I thought why not give it a try. Because I had been doing a lot of resets I stumbled on how to install a different brand drive.
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Wow, it certainly is a good day for Toshiba owners. Great info nextoo! Glad to hear you can swap a larger HDD into the XS35 even if you don't get the extra capacity.

I tried your reset technique with my XS32 and the 250GB Maxtor HDD that worked in my XS54 and another 120GB Maxtor HDD, and I never got past ER7034. The XS32 reset works a little differently than the XS54, so maybe Toshiba upgraded the newer firmware to enable HDD swaps. Does anyone know another reset procedure for the XS32?

I'm guessing we can swap same size or larger HDDs in the XS35 and XS55, and at least the same size HDDs in the XS34 and XS54. The XS32 and XS52 might be a bigger problem.
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Originally Posted by jmscott42 View Post

I guess the question now is, is this "magic" drive important, or would any (cheaper) drive work...

It's hard to get cheaper than $60 delivered for a 250GB.

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Originally Posted by jmscott42 View Post

And has no one tried just shoving a new HD in the XS32 without messing with it first?

I didn't try an 80GB HDD in my XS32 because I couldn't find a new one, and I felt stupid spending $70+ for a refurbed 80GB, when I can get 200GB+ for less.

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Originally Posted by jmscott42 View Post

I HIGHLY doubt there is anything to this Quickview stuff beyond marketing-- any normal computer hard drive can be reading/writing different things at the same time. That said, it's quite possible you MUST use a Quickview drive for a replacement. It'd be really interesting to know if you could just swap in ANY drive.

The 80GB HDD in my XS32 is just a DiamondMax, not a Quickview, and nextoo used a Western Digital, so I'd say Quickview isn't necessary.
post #13 of 461
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These are from the service manual parts lists (or other source as noted) for each model:

XS32 - 80GB - Maxtor 4R080L0 or Seagate ST380012ACE

XS52 - 160GB - Maxtor 4R160L0CS or Seagate ST3160022ACECS
KX50 - 80GB - Maxtor 4R080L0CS or Seagate ST380012ACECS

XS34 - 160GB - Seagate ST3160022ACECS

XS54 - 250GB - Maxtor 7Y250P0 or Seagate ST3250823ACE

XS35 - 160GB - Maxtor 6L160P0 (nextoo)

XS55 - 250GB - Maxtor 6L250R0 or Seagate ST3250823ACE

My XS54 has a factory installed 6L250R0, so I guess there's some flexibility across units. I successfully swapped a new Maxtor 6L250R0 in my XS54.
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The drive in my XS35 - 160GB - Maxtor 6L160P0
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For a complete factory reset on Toshiba DVR's, press ZOOM 701 ZOOM while the unit is on. You will see INIT OK on the front display, then the unit will power down.
Upon next power up, unit will be in the initial setup mode.

Note: This will reset the unit to factory defaults, and clear out any custom settings including the TV guide setup & channel info.
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For a complete factory reset on Toshiba DVR's, press ZOOM 701 ZOOM while the unit is on. You will see INIT OK on the front display, then the unit will power down.
Upon next power up, unit will be in the initial setup mode.

Note: This will reset the unit to factory defaults, and clear out any custom settings including the TV guide setup & channel info.

Thanks for the info. I'm familiar with two for Toshiba. And I'm not sure what models they work with. The first is the "press the power button for 10-15 seconds". The second is press the following remote buttons:

DVD -> Top Menu -> Menu -> Audio -> Subtitle

This one works on the XS35 and I assume some others. It also gives you the INIT OK on the front display.

It would be nice to know which ones worked for which models. I was not familiar with the ZOOM 701 ZOOM. Thanks again.
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Like most of the other Toshiba models, the XS54 seems to no longer be available . . . except maybe buying one used. Was this one of the models that needed that fan mod for the noise ?

That's one thing you really have to tip your hat to for the Pioneer 640: even in a bedroom, recording something in the dead of night, you never even notice it's there.
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Originally Posted by Seeker47 View Post

Like most of the other Toshiba models, the XS54 seems to no longer be available . . . except maybe buying one used.

Where have you been? All HDD models across brands have been discontinued. So all previous HDD DVD recorders are no longer available. Not just Toshiba. It looks like both Philips and Polaroid may have something out soon but that is it so far.
post #19 of 461
Update -

I built up enough courage to start testing my XS54. I found out a few things. First the WD 250GB drive works fine in the XS54. So it looks like the XS54 can accept different brands of HDDs. My stock HDD in the XS54 turned out to be the Maxtor drive that was listed above. So this is great news.

It looks like the XS34/35/54/55 will do the same as it relates to HDD swaps. I have a couple KX50's (XS52) but have not had the time to test.

I also built up enough courage to move the XS54's HDD out of the case into an external drive enclosure. I wanted to test the ability to set up removable HDDs with the XS54. It works.

For those that may not be familiar I decided to go with an external HDD enclosure with my Polaroid 2001G a while back. It worked great and continues to perform flawlessly. I increased the storage capability of the Polaroid to 2 terabytes using 250GB removable HDDs. There really is no limit. It could be 20 terabytes if I felt like buying the HDDs. Here's a thread that followed the project:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=736151

Here's a post that pretty much shows a pic of the final drive enclosure. Old pic it still shows my KX50.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&&#post9153523

The HDD enclosure included both an external burner and external HDD drive rack for the Polaroid. Change of plans. The Polaroid is now back to using its internal burner and the freed drive bay is now supporting and external drive rack for the XS54. The external drive enclosure is now supporting external drives for both the XS54 and the Polaroid.

Here's a few tips for using multiple drives with the XS54.

1. You have to recycle the power in order for the XS54 to properly recognize a different HDD. The easiest way to recycle the power is to press the power button on the machine for 10-15 seconds. This shuts down the HDD and recycles the power in an orderly manner. It simulates unplugging the machine. But in a controlled and safe manner. The HDD spins down. The power supply switches off and then on again.

2. The external drive enclosure includes removable drive trays. These are hot swapable by design. Meaning you can power off the drive tray. Remove the drive tray and replace it with a different drive tray. In order to move from one HDD to another HDD you should swap the drive this way. And then recycle the power as in step 1.

3. I initially was concerned about recycling the power but it is actually a very benign and predictable process . It spins down the HDD and recycles the power. Recycling the power registers the new/different HDD. It is quite simple.

Some more observations -

- Nothing is lost on the machine when you recycle the power. It is just like unplugging the machine and moving it across the room. For example no TVGOS info is changed.

- When in TVGOS and moving to "Recordings" only the recordings on the specific HDD will show.

- With TVGOS all of your timer recordings are preserved when moving from HDD to HDD. The timer recordings will record to which ever HDD is installed.

- Library info is specific to the HDD installed.

- Content Manager is consistent with the specific installed HDD.

I guess the easiest way to sum things up is that it works great and there has been no weird performance issues so far. Each time I boot up a different drive the XS54 has no recollection of the previous HDD. TVGOS scheduled recordings are retained across drives - which I have to admit I was not sure how scheduled recordings would be handled. No problems.

I'm currently running three 250GB HDDs - 750GBs. Two WD's and the OEM Maxtor. With the new Maxtor I ordered from Newegg arriving middle of the week for a total of one terabyte.

New pic. SA8300HD, Polaroid 2001G, Toshiba XS54, external dual drive removable HDD enclosure.:
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Thanks rickc5!!
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Excellent work, gentlemen!
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Originally Posted by nextoo View Post

I have a couple KX50's (XS52) but have not had the time to test.

Very nice findings! Please let us know if you have any updates on swapping drives in the KX50.
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Originally Posted by rickc5 View Post

I didn't try an 80GB HDD in my XS32 because I couldn't find a new one, and I felt stupid spending $70+ for a refurbed 80GB, when I can get 200GB+ for less.



rickc5

Have you tried the "ZOOM 701 ZOOM" reset option (as per Booji) to see if the XS32 will accept a different HDD?

I have a XS32 coming and would like to know if a swap can be done on this unit. This will be helpful in the event of a HDD failure down the road. I don't care about increased capacity. I would just like to swap an 80 gig HDD (if one goes bad) with a new one of the same size.

Thanks in advance for your efforts.
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Well, I've tried Zoom-701-Zoom (thanks booji), and DVD-Top Menu-Menu-Audio-Subtitle (thanks nextoo), and neither have any effect on the XS32. I tried them with the original HDD, since there was no reason to swap HDDs if these reset procedures don't work on the XS32. If anyone else gets them to work on an XS32, please let us know how.

I finally found a cheap 80GB Maxtor drive, so I'll post if I can swap it in an XS32 once it arrives.
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I'm currently running three 250GB HDDs - 750GBs. Two WD's and the OEM Maxtor. With the new Maxtor I ordered from Newegg arriving middle of the week for a total of one terabyte.

New pic. SA8300HD, Polaroid 2001G, Toshiba XS54, external dual drive removable HDD enclosure.:

Wow, great setup, thanks for the info! I'm going to go with a similar setup for my XS54. I still want to find a cheap 2001G if possible, since it's so good with HDD swaps, has less copy protection sensitivity, and doesn't have a nine hour recording limit (great for LP security cam use).

On a technical note, I've hooked up my original XS32 and XS54 HDDs to a pc via an external IDE-USB device, and both work fine when put back in the units. I looked at the HDDs with a hex viewer and did not modify anything. The Toshiba HDDs seem to be in an OSTA UDF compatible (an optical industry standard) format, but the HDDs aren't recognizable by UDF reader software that will read finalized DVDs. Also, at least some of the data seems to be stored in a "mixed endian" format. If anyone is familiar with endian-ness, this would be like storing the data "1234" as "2143." I'll keep looking to see if there is some way to read a Toshiba HDD directly with a pc.
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Originally Posted by rickc5 View Post

On a technical note, I've hooked up my original XS32 and XS54 HDDs to a pc via an external IDE-USB device, and both work fine when put back in the units. I looked at the HDDs with a hex viewer and did not modify anything. The Toshiba HDDs seem to be in an OSTA UDF compatible (an optical industry standard) format, but the HDDs aren't recognizable by UDF reader software that will read finalized DVDs. Also, at least some of the data seems to be stored in a "mixed endian" format. If anyone is familiar with endian-ness, this would be like storing the data "1234" as "2143." I'll keep looking to see if there is some way to read a Toshiba HDD directly with a pc.

I would be VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY interested in any further information you find.

*ESPECIALLY* if it allows me to figure out/recover some of the data on my hosed XS32 drive. (I know, it's all "just TV", but I'm mostly just mad that it's so un-robust that force powering it off while it's recording hoses it... as I've described in more detail in other places, in retrospect I think it was actually 'hung' with an invisible menu stuck on the screen, which probably would have fixed itself when the hard drive got full.. I've seen things like that since.)
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I would be VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY interested in any further information you find.

*ESPECIALLY* if it allows me to figure out/recover some of the data on my hosed XS32 drive. (I know, it's all "just TV", but I'm mostly just mad that it's so un-robust that force powering it off while it's recording hoses it... as I've described in more detail in other places, in retrospect I think it was actually 'hung' with an invisible menu stuck on the screen, which probably would have fixed itself when the hard drive got full.. I've seen things like that since.)

It was posted that you can use Seagate Tools to identify bad sectors on the HDD and force a reallocation. You can then reinstall the HDD in the Toshiba and might have a chance at moving content off the drive. If you're lucky this forced allocation may also let you continue to use the HDD. Depends on how bad things are.
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Originally Posted by rickc5 View Post

Well, I've tried Zoom-701-Zoom (thanks booji), and DVD-Top Menu-Menu-Audio-Subtitle (thanks nextoo), and neither have any effect on the XS32. I tried them with the original HDD, since there was no reason to swap HDDs if these reset procedures don't work on the XS32. If anyone else gets them to work on an XS32, please let us know how.

ZOOM 701 ZOOM definitely works on the RD-XS32, as I've done it on both the XS32 and also the XS54. Turn the unit on & wait for it to fully boot up, then try it.
post #30 of 461
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Hmmm, thanks. I misplaced my XS32 remote, so I've been using my XS54 remote. I tried it at least ten times. Maybe a few of the remote codes are different, so I'll try it again when I find my XS32 remote.
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