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post #31 of 437
5/3/07 at 12:17pm
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This is the thread formerly known as Toshiba XS54 250GB HDD swap - It works!!!. Thanks Admin! Since HDD swaps in all XS (and KX) models seem to have a lot in common, we can amass all the info here and make it easier for everyone, without having the same info scattered across threads for each model.
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post #32 of 437
5/3/07 at 5:32pm
Nice job on the rename. By the way if anybody can't find a drive for the XS54 here's the OEM:

http://www.partstore.com/Part/Toshib...42230/New.aspx

Ouch! $992.57 + shipping. Amazing. Maybe it's Yen.
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post #33 of 437
5/3/07 at 5:53pm
If it were yen, it wouldn't be such a bad deal: only US$8.25.

But they truly are nuts and/or thieves charging more than twice the cost of the machine for a replacement drive.

All the more reason your work here is appreciated.
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post #34 of 437
5/3/07 at 6:19pm
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It was posted that you can use Seagate Tools to identify bad sectors on the HDD and force a reallocation. You can then reinstall the HDD in the Toshiba and might have a chance at moving content off the drive. If you're lucky this forced allocation may also let you continue to use the HDD. Depends on how bad things are.

Umm, no. It's not like it had bad physical sectors. Force powering it off presumably wrote over the main directory track. (You know, all of those warnings about "do not power off or unplug the unit" when deleting a recording, saving a playlist, etc.. When mine happened, the machine was completely unresponsive to all input... I waited about 5 mins, then force rebooted it, which was bad in retrospect.)
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post #35 of 437
5/3/07 at 7:33pm
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Well folks, guess what, you can easily replace the XS32 HDD with the same model drive! It's as close to plug and play as you can expect.

I made sure the HDD jumper was on Master, unplugged the XS32, etc. When I powered up the unit (holding my breath and with my fingers crossed) there were no display error codes! Simply one message on the screen that the HDD could not be authenticated, contact a service center. I hit Enter, went to Setup--HDD Format, and it works perfectly!! I put the original HDD back in and all content was there. Put the new HDD back in, still okay.

I feel stupid for not having tried the same model drive long ago, but I just couldn't find one at a good price. I got this one for $32 here: http://www.santechusa.com/advert.asp?id=8314

It was supposed to be refurbished, but it looks brand new to me and has none of the usual manufacturer refurbed stickers.

I don't know if any other 80GB drive will work in the XS32, but at least it now looks like the HDD in every XS model can be replaced with a similar one. I have to give Toshiba a lot of credit for making the firmware easily recognize and format new HDDs. One of these days I'll format the 80GB HDD in my pc and see if the XS32 can reformat it okay.
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post #36 of 437
5/4/07 at 4:57am
I wouldn't exactly call that "plug and play", since you can't exchange the HDD and play the videos recorded on it. Since you have to format it, I'd call it "plug and format"...
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post #37 of 437
5/4/07 at 5:11am
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Originally Posted by rickc5 View Post

Well folks, guess what, you can easily replace the XS32 HDD with the same model drive! It's as close to plug and play as you can expect.

I made sure the HDD jumper was on Master, unplugged the XS32, etc. When I powered up the unit (holding my breath and with my fingers crossed) there were no display error codes! Simply one message on the screen that the HDD could not be authenticated, contact a service center. I hit Enter, went to Setup--HDD Format, and it works perfectly!! I put the original HDD back in and all content was there. Put the new HDD back in, still okay.

I feel stupid for not having tried the same model drive long ago, but I just couldn't find one at a good price. I got this one for $32 here: http://www.santechusa.com/advert.asp?id=8314

It was supposed to be refurbished, but it looks brand new to me and has none of the usual manufacturer refurbed stickers.

I don't know if any other 80GB drive will work in the XS32, but at least it now looks like the HDD in every XS model can be replaced with a similar one. I have to give Toshiba a lot of credit for making the firmware easily recognize and format new HDDs. One of these days I'll format the 80GB HDD in my pc and see if the XS32 can reformat it okay.

Great work!!. I bet this will work with the KX50 (XS52).
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post #38 of 437
5/4/07 at 5:15am
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Originally Posted by rgazzara View Post

I wouldn't exactly call that "plug and play", since you can't exchange the HDD and play the videos recorded on it. Since you have to format it, I'd call it "plug and format"...

Actually it is plug and play. You only have to format the drive on the first boot up. After that the drives are interchangeable. I'm currently running 1 terabyte of storage with my XS54 - 4 250GB drives.
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post #39 of 437
5/4/07 at 7:20am
OK, I stand corrected...
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post #40 of 437
5/4/07 at 4:33pm
I tried to swap HDs on a KX50 with a drive from another exact same recorder, it didn't work, I got an error code and couldn't go any further. The HD works fine, I've been using it in a PC for months. Maybe it has to be a new HD, not one from another recorderr.
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post #41 of 437
5/5/07 at 8:42am
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I tried to swap HDs on a KX50 with a drive from another exact same recorder, it didn't work, I got an error code and couldn't go any further. The HD works fine, I've been using it in a PC for months. Maybe it has to be a new HD, not one from another recorderr.

Are you positive that the HDD was working fine in the first KX50, and hadn't been altered before you tried it in yours? Is it one of these models - Maxtor 4R0L0CS or Seagate ST380012ACECS? Did you try to reset the XS52, or just unplug/plug or power on/off? Also, I'm sure you had to format the HD in your pc, before it was recognized, right?

I've switched original HDDs between two XS32s and I've been able to see all content, record new stuff, switch back, and everything (new and old) was still there. I then recorded more, switched again - all content still on both HDDs. I've now also swapped my new HDD between both XS32s, and recorded on both just fine. All content stayed between swaps. Once you format the HDD, it really is plug and play.
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post #42 of 437
5/5/07 at 10:43am
It didn't work on the KX50. I tried swapping the HD twice, both times I got a 7000 something error, HD failure. The other recorder was the exact same model with the exact same HD. It wouldn't boot up at all. Yes, I had to format it in the PC, where it's been working flawlessly since the beginning of last summer.
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post #43 of 437
5/5/07 at 10:55am
Might have to strike the KX50 off the list. The KX50 is the XS52 with a smaller HDD. Maybe there is more going on with the KX50. Some protocol in place that does not allow for swapping a drive easily in an attempt to stop people from installing the XS52 size drive into the KX50.
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post #44 of 437
5/5/07 at 12:27pm
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Thanks samijubal. The KX50 and XS52 share the same service manual and many of the same parts, with the most notable exceptions being the front panel, HDD, user manual and main pc board. So far, HDD swaps work in the XS32, XS35 and XS54, not in the KX50, and still to be determined are the XS52, XS34 and XS55.
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post #45 of 437
5/5/07 at 2:10pm
The HD was pulled from a non-working recorder. I don't know if it could have somehow corrupted the HD when it died.
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post #46 of 437
5/5/07 at 2:17pm
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Originally Posted by rickc5 View Post

Thanks samijubal. The KX50 and XS52 share the same service manual and many of the same parts, with the most notable exceptions being the front panel, HDD, user manual and main pc board. So far, HDD swaps work in the XS32, XS34 and XS54, not in the KX50, and still to be determined are the XS52, XS35 and XS55.

The XS35 HDD swap works fine:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&#post10409379

By the wy I ripped apart my XS35 and found some interesting things. First the power supply is the same as the XS54's although the part numbers are different. Also the "Digital PC" boards are the same as well. The "Digital PC" board is the most expensive board to replace. It snaps into and sits on top of the "Mother PC" board.

And here is something interesting. The XS35's "Mother PC" board is labeled as "PC-MOT-XS54TU".

It is a very simple build. Very easy to break apart and put back together.
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post #47 of 437
5/5/07 at 2:44pm
Here's a followup on the XS35 parts. Many of which are interchangeable with the XS54. The pic posted shows, from left to right, the HDD ribbon cable and connector, The "Mother PC" board, the "Digital PC" board, the power supply, and the tuner. The "Digital PC" board, the tuner, and the power supply can be used with the XS54. The "Mother PC" board cannot. It has the XS35 firmware. I tried to load the XS54 firmware into the XS35 but it was a no go.

Also the DVD burner in the XS35 is proprietary. It does not have a standard power plug and does not have an IDE connection.

I was able to find a reasonable XS55 and it is on the way. I'm expecting it to be no different from the XS54 parts wise. I bet the "Mother PC" board is labeled "PC-MOT-XS54TU.

edit - I think I need to rethink this. The firmware may actually be contained in the "Digital PC" board. If that is the case then they would not be interchangeable - not sure. I haven't played around with them enough. Also there are sockets installed on the XS35 boards for both a Lan connection and HDMI.
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post #48 of 437
5/5/07 at 3:12pm
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Originally Posted by rickc5 View Post

Thanks samijubal. The KX50 and XS52 share the same service manual and many of the same parts, with the most notable exceptions being the front panel, HDD, user manual and main pc board. So far, HDD swaps work in the XS32, XS34 and XS54, not in the KX50, and still to be determined are the XS52, XS35 and XS55.

I have two KX50's. One is installed and being used in an entertainment system. The other is in the box. As time permits I'll give them both a test. I have an 80GB western digital drive I can test and I can also try swapping the hard drives from the two units and see what happens.
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post #49 of 437
5/5/07 at 3:15pm
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Originally Posted by samijubal View Post

It didn't work on the KX50. I tried swapping the HD twice, both times I got a 7000 something error, HD failure. The other recorder was the exact same model with the exact same HD. It wouldn't boot up at all. Yes, I had to format it in the PC, where it's been working flawlessly since the beginning of last summer.

Same problem. I tried to swap KX50 HDD and I got ER7034 error code. Recorder stucks after power on. I tried to find the meaning of this error code without success..............Fernando
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post #50 of 437
5/5/07 at 4:12pm
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Originally Posted by nextoo View Post

Also the DVD burner in the XS35 is proprietary. It does not have a standard power plug and does not have an IDE connection..

Ah, so if the burner gives up the ghost on the XS35, I guess that means there's no hope of replacing it yourself, then.
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post #51 of 437
5/5/07 at 5:28pm
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Originally Posted by Fernando.cesar View Post

Same problem. I tried to swap KX50 HDD and I got ER7034 error code. Recorder stucks after power on. I tried to find the meaning of this error code without success..............Fernando


The manual says error code 7000: possible error deteced in the HDD. I figured 7000, 7034 probably basically the same thing. The rest of the codes are 1-39.
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post #52 of 437
5/5/07 at 6:31pm
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Originally Posted by plplplpl View Post

Ah, so if the burner gives up the ghost on the XS35, I guess that means there's no hope of replacing it yourself, then.

Maybe. Probably not. But plug and play? No.
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post #53 of 437
5/5/07 at 8:17pm
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Originally Posted by nextoo View Post

Maybe. Probably not. But plug and play? No.

Figures. You can replace the HDD with no problems but not the burner. Other models you can replace the burner with no (or few) problems but not the HDD.

C'mon, Toshiba, make up your minds!!
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post #54 of 437
5/6/07 at 12:58am
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The XS35 HDD swap works fine:

Thanks nextoo. I put XS34 by mistake. My bad.
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post #55 of 437
5/6/07 at 1:27am
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Originally Posted by samijubal View Post

The HD was pulled from a non-working recorder. I don't know if it could have somehow corrupted the HD when it died.

Good info. That gives me some hope that the HDD may have been corrupted. We'll see if nextoo has any better luck.

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Might have to strike the KX50 off the list. The KX50 is the XS52 with a smaller HDD. Maybe there is more going on with the KX50. Some protocol in place that does not allow for swapping a drive easily in an attempt to stop people from installing the XS52 size drive into the KX50.

Maybe, but I'd be surprised if Toshiba purposefully enabled HDD swaps in the XS32, XS35 and XS54 (a pretty wide range of models), but not in others. I can't get my XS32s to recognize any larger HDD, none seem to recognize a smaller one, and your XS35 could only use 160GB of the 250GB HDD, so I'd guess the firmware can check (and limit) size, without having to resort to a special procedure for the KX50.
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post #56 of 437
5/6/07 at 3:25am
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Originally Posted by nextoo View Post

Here's a followup on the XS35 parts. Many of which are interchangeable with the XS54. The pic posted shows, from left to right, the HDD ribbon cable and connector, The "Mother PC" board, the "Digital PC" board, the power supply, and the tuner. The "Digital PC" board, the tuner, and the power supply can be used with the XS54. The "Mother PC" board cannot. It has the XS35 firmware. I tried to load the XS54 firmware into the XS35 but it was a no go.

Also the DVD burner in the XS35 is proprietary. It does not have a standard power plug and does not have an IDE connection.

I was able to find a reasonable XS55 and it is on the way. I'm expecting it to be no different from the XS54 parts wise. I bet the "Mother PC" board is labeled "PC-MOT-XS54TU.

edit - I think I need to rethink this. The firmware may actually be contained in the "Digital PC" board. If that is the case then they would not be interchangeable - not sure. I haven't played around with them enough. Also there are sockets installed on the XS35 boards for both a Lan connection and HDMI.

Great dissecting job!! Any part number on the proprietary burner? Is it a standard size burner? Toshiba?

Some observations from looking at the XS35 and XS54 schematics: The firmware is on the digital board. The XS35 digital board ends in XS54TU also. The digital board connector for the RAM drive has the same pin out and the wiring is identical in both units. So, it appears that you can physically attach an IDE burner using an XS54 flexible data cable. The XS35 burner has a 6 pin power connector, with like voltages tied together on the pc board, and to the same supply traces as the HDD power connector. In other words, only the burner connector is different, and it appears possible to splice the 6 burner power wires to the appropriate 3 wires on an XS54 combined HDD/burner power cable. Preliminarily, it looks possible to replace the XS35 custom burner with an IDE burner, but it would require more work than the other burner swaps and you'd need XS54 data and power cables (more $$). And even then, will the firmware recognize it?

The XS55 schematic also shows an XS54TU digital board, but an XS55U motherboard. It shows the 6 pin burner power connector on the power supply board, and only a 4 pin on the burner, but the parts list has a 6 pin cable and the same replacement burner as the XS35.
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post #57 of 437
5/6/07 at 5:59am
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Originally Posted by rickc5 View Post

Great dissecting job!! Any part number on the proprietary burner? Is it a standard size burner? Toshiba?

Some observations from looking at the XS35 and XS54 schematics: The firmware is on the digital board. The XS35 digital board ends in XS54TU also. The digital board connector for the RAM drive has the same pin out and the wiring is identical in both units. So, it appears that you can physically attach an IDE burner using an XS54 flexible data cable. The XS35 burner has a 6 pin power connector, with like voltages tied together on the pc board, and to the same supply traces as the HDD power connector. In other words, only the burner connector is different, and it appears possible to splice the 6 burner power wires to the appropriate 3 wires on an XS54 combined HDD/burner power cable. Preliminarily, it looks possible to replace the XS35 custom burner with an IDE burner, but it would require more work than the other burner swaps and you'd need XS54 data and power cables (more $$). And even then, will the firmware recognize it?

The XS55 schematic also shows an XS54TU digital board, but an XS55U motherboard. It shows the 6 pin burner power connector on the power supply board, and only a 4 pin on the burner, but the parts list has a 6 pin cable and the same replacement burner as the XS35.

The power part is easy. With the XS54 both the DVD burner and the HDD are powered from the same 4 pin socket on the power supply. So just a Y-connector on the power cable should work. The 6 pin power socket is left unused with the XS54. Even though it is there. Which leads me to believe the power supplies are interchangeable.

I agree that a ribbon cable and the ATAPI conversion board will be required for the IDE connection so it is a bit more complicated. Not sure if it will work or not but my guess is that there is a good shot it would.

The proprietary drive in the XS35 looks like a standard 5 1/4 inch drive - from the top. It sits on a circuit board that the ribbon cable connects to. Both the power cable and the data cable are connected on opposite sides of the drive.

I have not been able to find the XS55 service manual. Is there a link for it?

Here's a pic of the XS35 DVD burner showing the circuit board on the bottom of the drive..
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post #58 of 437
5/6/07 at 9:47am
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I got a few service manuals from another source, and Willie G. (Thanks!!) posted the www7.toshiba site in the XS34 owners thread. Between my list of the service manual pdf file names, Willie G's link, and nextoo's posts in that thread, along with good old cut and paste, here are the service manual links:

XS32 -- http://www7.toshiba.com/secured/tass...DXS32SCSVM.pdf

XS52 and KX50 -- http://www7.toshiba.com/secured/tass.../RDXS52SVM.pdf

XS34 -- http://www7.toshiba.com/secured/tass..._SU_SC_SVM.pdf

XS54 -- http://www7.toshiba.com/secured/tass...S_54SU_SVM.pdf

XS35 -- http://www7.toshiba.com/secured/tass...RDXS35_SVM.pdf

XS55 -- http://www7.toshiba.com/secured/tass.../RDXS55_CD.pdf

Willie G. also posted this link for the owner's manuals:

http://tacpservice.toshiba.com/Consu...nuals/dvdr.asp
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post #59 of 437
5/6/07 at 10:11am
Thanks!! Here's a source for parts:

http://www.ued.net/catalog/cat_item_idx_5324.html
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post #60 of 437
5/6/07 at 10:15am
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Originally Posted by nextoo View Post

The power part is easy. With the XS54 both the DVD burner and the HDD are powered from the same 4 pin socket on the power supply. So just a Y-connector on the power cable should work. The 6 pin power socket is left unused with the XS54. Even though it is there. Which leads me to believe the power supplies are interchangeable.

I didn't notice that the XS54 power supply board has the 6 pin connector, too. I see it in my XS54 (I still have the cover off). I compared most XS35/XS54 parts and connections on the Power Supply Circuit Diagrams, and the only difference that stood out was that the big 23(?) pin connector has a different part number, but seems to have the same pinout. To be safe, double check all component values before swapping power supply boards.
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