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post #1 of 28
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...e_id=1770&ct=5

I think its disgusting and explains how deep seated the internal issues are at Sony. I wish they would just stick to the hardware designs.
post #2 of 28
Bad taste perhaps but not disgusting if you eat meat.
post #3 of 28
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Originally Posted by reincarnate View Post

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...e_id=1770&ct=5

I think its disgusting and explains how deep seated the internal issues are at Sony. I wish they would just stick to the hardware designs.

I heard Bob S. was the master-mind behind this Sony stunt... Your thoughts?






post #4 of 28
Wow.
post #5 of 28
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Originally Posted by Wet1 View Post

I heard Bob S. was the master-mind behind this Sony stunt... Your thoughts?


Funny but I already expressed my thoughts. While the themes are shocking, this is not an isolated incident for Sony.
What is amazing is to see so many remain silent. Even something as bizarre as this from a large multi-national corporation, which produces many of the movies (that is software) our families watch, elicits little or no reaction.
post #6 of 28
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Originally Posted by Ohlson View Post

Bad taste perhaps but not disgusting if you eat meat.

Why does one's consumption of meat make the decapitation of a goat for use at a public event acceptable? I eat meat as part of a normal human diet, as it has been part of the human diet for millions of years. That in no way condones the slaughtering of an animal for no other purpose than to sensationally advertise a video game - whoever dreamed up this brilliant idea should be fired.
post #7 of 28
I think a better question is, "Have video games gone too far?" You won't pass level 0 if you don't slaughter something in God of War.

I think Sony is really sorry that they put a photo of the event in their Sony magazine for all to see. But I think it is a little contradictory for a God of War player to murder, plunder, slaughter, etc in the most graphic of ways and then go "ewww" when shown a dead goat.

If the sight of a dead goat is not for you then I think the game is not for you either.

It would be interesting to know what happened to the goat. What's the story around the carcass? It is not clear when and how the animal was slaughtered. The warm intestines inside the animal were actually offal from other animals (mmmm, the filler for hot dogs.)

I think it is intense imagery to promote an intense game, but depending on the actions taken with the goat, perhaps nothing actually inhumane took place. Slaughtering animals often involves a decapitation and if this was simply a recent slaughtered goat from a nearby
abattoir, then they may used a spare carcass that generated food for someone or something. In such a case, the depicted slaughter at the party is not real per se. Now, if before the party they found a live goat and hacked of its head with a bowie knife in a slow excruciating fashion and tossed the meat of its belly for no purpose; that's a different story.

Depiction of violence in 2D or 3D is debatable. Sony's big "crime" here is releasing these images for everyone (i.e. every age) to see.

-Mr. Wigggles
post #8 of 28
wicked party !
post #9 of 28
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Sony's big "crime" here is releasing these images for everyone (i.e. every age) to see.

Nah. Why should it be Sony's job to "protect" kids from dead animals? God forbid they grow up on a farm...

Their real crime was not having the guts (heh) to stand behind their decision. If you're going to apologize as soon as someone complains, you shouldn't do it in the first place.
post #10 of 28
All life is sacred.
The above example by Sony employees in order to sell or promote a product, simply moves us away from that concept.
Lame excuses by fans and gamers in order to explain it away are simply just that,
lame excuses.
I personaly find the described activities reprehensible and inexcusable.
Tony S
post #11 of 28
I am outraged. The senseless slaughter of a goat . . . when I would gladly have made my wife's cat available.

Here Kitty . . . .

Nick
post #12 of 28
You're kidding me. Another controversial marketing campaign by Sony. I don't believe it!

Click me
post #13 of 28
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Originally Posted by Richard Berg View Post

If you're going to apologize as soon as someone complains, you shouldn't do it in the first place.

That might be the whole point. Produce an event that will energize the base and offend many, then ask for forgiveness - WINK WINK.

Marketing people are scum, like lawyers and politians.
post #14 of 28
At least they got one thing right:

"Topless girls added to the louche atmosphere by dipping grapes into guests' mouths".

How come the AVS parties never do that?
post #15 of 28
While it might not all be 'good press', they certainly got a lot of press... so in one regard they hit a home-run with the add as I'm sure the intended audience will not only be reached, but also not be offended. I'm sure more than one gamer will think the add is 'cool'.

The down side is it gives the bleeding hearts something to cry about which could (will) cost Sony other business in the future.


BTW, the goat was bought already decapitated from a slaughter house...
post #16 of 28
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Originally Posted by MrWigggles View Post

I think a better question is, "Have video games gone too far?" You won't pass level 0 if you don't slaughter something in God of War.

On a more fundamental level the question is elementary: has advertising become so omnipresent that you literally have to now kill something to get someone's attention? I don't understand the idea of blaming Sony, when this was almost certainly the stillborn and grossly misplaced fruit of a naive young advertising executive.

The same as with the Aqua Teen bomb scares and every other 'guerrilla marketing' trick like painting sidewalks, posting flyers everywhere in a city, and renting riverboats to promote your own console during a competitor's launch event.

Advertising is in a state of flux as our saturation point starts being measured in terms of nines (99.999 versus 99.9999), and we're going to see a lot of this oddness until a new revenue model can be found for so many services.

Personally, I'll take the modern-day beheaded goats over guys with slicked back hair dancing to showtunes any day.
post #17 of 28
A goat is dead. So what? They're not endangered. All life is sacred? I think you should watch what cats do to mice of their own accord. All life is food for other life unless you're lucky enough to sit atop the food pyramid.

As for God of War, and its sequel for that matter, truly great gameplay experiences. Not for the squeamish of faint of heart, but that's a matter of taste. I have no problem with dead animals or dead video games characters. Let's be real, lots of real people die real deaths every day for the silliest of reasons. Once we get that problem under control we can start worrying about helpless game characters and the ingredients of tomorrow's Roti.
post #18 of 28
Topless girls at a Dave Bott party? See through g strings maybe.


J. Mike. Now you have pushed me to far. I may be scum (just like you), but it wasn't because I happened to be a lawyer once upon a time.
post #19 of 28
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Originally Posted by Richard Berg View Post

Nah. Why should it be Sony's job to "protect" kids from dead animals? God forbid they grow up on a farm...

Some kids might not be ready for it. The goat with its head dangling off might be a bit much for them.

The Sony magazine is not an teen or adult magazine. It is for all ages.

-Mr. Wigggles
post #20 of 28
MrWiggles, I thought you were talking about their website. I admit I know nothing about Sony's print publications.

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All life is sacred.

To you. I suspect you're not in the target market for God of War, so please leave the game and its fans alone.

For the record, I despise Sony.
post #21 of 28
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Originally Posted by reio-ta View Post

That's the stupidest thing I've EVER read on this forum. There is a big difference between killing for killing sake, which Sony did, and killing for food. It's damn well Sony's responsibility and duty to its customers from making fun of a poor animal which was killed for their amusement. I hope this really hurts Sony much more than its failing PS3 for this dumb stunt. When on a farm, you're killing the animal for food. You have a responsibility to also kill the animal humanly, so it doesn't suffer. This isn't always done, but you can pay extra if that really harms bothers you, or kill your own to EAT. The Indians, for example, along with the Eskimos, would pray to their gods and give thanks to the animal for giving up its life so they could live. Does Sony need to perform mock and for FUN, yeah ha ha so funny to kill an animal and dance around it, in order to survive as a company? If so, Sony is in big time trouble!


Not contradictory at all. One is done of fake, drawn polygons. The other is the senseless killing of a REAL animal. Maybe you shouldn't play games if you can't tell the difference between killing real people and animals, with "killing" drawings? My wife is nearly PETA like with her respect for animals. Yet she'll play games like Shadow of the Colossus, which no real animals were hurt but depict fake ones which are. Ever notice that in movies they now say "no real animal was hurt in making of this film and all animal scenes featuring real animals were supervised the Humane Society"?

I think it's really sad that our society has become so ignorant that "normal"/"regular" people can't tell the difference between fantasy depictions of an event and when the actual event is taking place.


How many cattle were killed because "they were no longer of any use" after Mad Cow's Disease was detected in them? Those cattle were still alive and they would have lived a long time on their own. Life for life's sake, let's not kill them, right? I mean, they take up space, sure we domesticated those animals and raised them for the express purpose of food or milk, but they were still perfectly fine, alive, and would have lived a while.

I doubt you had any complaint about those "senseless killings." Certainly, no one ate those cattle. Millions upon millions of cattle, butchered because they were no longer of any use to us. I bet you didn't even bat an eye.

Now you're outraged about a single boar?

Meh. I'm as outraged as I was about the cattle. Which is not at all. Animals are there. If it improves our quality of life by entertaining us or if it improves our life by feeding us, I don't really see the difference. We're better, it's dead. Plain and simple.

Personally, I think the genetic manipulation of chickens to the point where they are simply big hunks of white breastmeat with heads in metal boxes that wait for death is far more grotesque.

Had any Chick-Fi-let recently?
post #22 of 28
If the meat was put to use and the animal killed quickly then who cares - all that's being displayed is reality. Go hunting and gut an animal - carefully open the belly, remove intestines, bladder, heart, liver, lungs, etc; reach way up and disconnect the esophagus; remove the legs, skin it, remove the head...it's meat, it's nature.... If you're human and vegitarian, fine - but that's not natural.
On the other hand, if the meat was not used or if the death was protracted or unnecessarily painful, that is wholly unacceptable. To me, wasting a life is a sin; torturing anything is a sin.
A clean kill and consumption of the remains is part of the circle of life....
post #23 of 28
This thread proves my belief that a person could post a thread here titled "Murder, Good or Bad?" and it would still elicit heated debate with all sorts of absurd idiotic obfuscation. Hmmm....is it good or bad to behead an animal as a publicity stunt for a video game? What a tough question. Next question of the day: "Purposely Infecting people with AIDS - Evil Idea or Good Population Control Method". Have at it.
post #24 of 28
At least the debates here are civilized. Now what if the goat had been an HD-DVD supporter?
post #25 of 28
Kratos is arguably one of the most bad ass characters in all of the Sony franchises. God of War I and God of War II are stock full of debauchary, rage, revenge, murder, and plenty of other devilish deeds, and that's part of their appeal. Kratos refuses to take crap from anyone, inlcuding (most notably) the Gods. His first quest is to kill the God of War, his second quest is to bring about the end of Zeus. How much sweeter can you get?

But obviously, Kratos isn't alive today, and if he was, I wouldn't be an ardent fan. He's a ficticious character. You admire him for his strength and godlike powers, but you wouldn't emmulate him. It's a ficticious world. It would be sweet to be Kratos, and bring down Zeus, but it's not going to happen. Sony should be able to recognize what gives Kratos his appeal. Yes he's sweet, and the theme of the opening part of God of War II should be debauchery, but it should be in jest. It's a theme party. They also had legal prostitution back then, but Sony didn't offers prostitutes to everyone at the party. Yes, they slaughtered goats and ate them in probably a rather primitive way, but that doesn't mean Sony should offer up slaughtered animals.

Sony can offer extravagence at these parties, but only in the context of our modern society. There are things we want to emulate from God of War, and things we really just shouldn't. Sony should be more than aware of the difference between the two. Offering slaughtered goats is just tactless and a poor party choice. Somebody really should have called party foul. Not cool.
post #26 of 28
What does this thread have to do with projectors ??
post #27 of 28
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Originally Posted by Cain View Post

What does this thread have to do with projectors ??

The ad looks oversaturated on my RS1 and has a slight green bias on my HD1000.
post #28 of 28
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Originally Posted by QQQ View Post

This thread proves my belief that a person could post a thread here titled "Murder, Good or Bad?" and it would still elicit heated debate with all sorts of absurd idiotic obfuscation. Hmmm....is it good or bad to behead an animal as a publicity stunt for a video game? What a tough question. Next question of the day: "Purposely Infecting people with AIDS - Evil Idea or Good Population Control Method". Have at it.


Thank god for QQQ's entry to a nonsensical thread to put things into perspective.
Thanks Qubed.
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