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post #1771 of 2104
7/3/12 at 8:51am
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Originally Posted by zheka View Post

is EN4K sold by SeymourAV? I could only find prices for the centerstage XD at http://seymourav.com/store.asp
is there any competition to Seymour AT material with similar price/performance ratio?
thank you

EN4K can be purchased from http://www.s-se.us/.

Edit.. Also forgot to mention that AVS carries EN4K line.
Edited by quack724 - 7/3/12 at 10:53am
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post #1772 of 2104
7/3/12 at 5:30pm
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Originally Posted by quack724 View Post

EN4K can be purchased from http://www.s-se.us/.
Edit.. Also forgot to mention that AVS carries EN4K line.
Thank you. Do you know how much more expensive it is compared to the center stage material? I am having hard time finding any prices for EN4K
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post #1773 of 2104
7/3/12 at 6:25pm
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Originally Posted by zheka View Post

Thank you. Do you know how much more expensive it is compared to the center stage material? I am having hard time finding any prices for EN4K

When I queried for myself, I think it was roughly 3x for 125 inch wide 2.37 AR. Not sure about 16:9 if that is what you are looking for.

Edit.. Sorry I just checked my actual paid for XD vs quoted EN4K and it was more like 2.5x . If you decide to get the black backing for the XD, there will be an incremental cost as well. My understanding is that the EN4K includes the black backing as part of the overall cost.
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post #1774 of 2104
7/3/12 at 7:43pm
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Originally Posted by quack724 View Post

When I queried for myself, I think it was roughly 3x for 125 inch wide 2.37 AR. Not sure about 16:9 if that is what you are looking for.
Edit.. Sorry I just checked my actual paid for XD vs quoted EN4K and it was more like 2.5x . If you decide to get the black backing for the XD, there will be an incremental cost as well. My understanding is that the EN4K includes the black backing as part of the overall cost.

Also EN4K is quoted delivered and Center Stage has shipping on top of it.
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post #1775 of 2104
7/3/12 at 9:39pm
Thank you.
is it possible to buy EN-4K fabric or it's only sold as complete screens?
Edited by zheka - 7/3/12 at 9:49pm
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post #1776 of 2104
7/4/12 at 9:19am
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Tebow, yes..........................Sanchez, no! smile.gif

I hope Tebow doesn't take too many passes away from Mark. Tebow is so terrible.

Hoping for our friend from USC to have a big year in Green and White biggrin.gif
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post #1777 of 2104
7/4/12 at 9:23am
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Originally Posted by zheka View Post

Thank you.
is it possible to buy EN-4K fabric or it's only sold as complete screens?

I think someone outside the US was able to buy just the EN4K as a "contractor kit" or something like that. But in the US it comes as 1 great package...screen, beefier frame, black backing, shipping, and smiles
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post #1778 of 2104
7/5/12 at 4:18pm
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Originally Posted by Larry M View Post

Agree with Mike
Projectors will get brighter over time thus I didn't mind getting the EN4K and giving up a good amount of gain. By the time I get my projector and screen unboxed we should have quad LED HID Fiber Optic Lightning Bolts technology so I'll be ready to upgrade cool.gif
Also went with a 16:9 because I could always switch to 2:40 or whatever the next common ratio is by getting smaller side frames.
One thing I am terrified with the EN4K is the screen getting dirty. I fear the day Mark Sanchez or Tim Tebow throw an interception in the Super Bowl that cause us to lose the game...I can see a cup of Wild Cherry Pepsi coming in contact with the screen.

Recommended game day cup for you: http://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=spill+proof+sippy+cups&tag=googhydr-20&index=baby&hvadid=7977753367&hvpos=1t1&hvexid=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=432764331181719195&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=b&ref=pd_sl_fqs7huacd_b biggrin.gif
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post #1779 of 2104
7/5/12 at 5:08pm
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Recommended game day cup for you: http://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=spill+proof+sippy+cups&tag=googhydr-20&index=baby&hvadid=7977753367&hvpos=1t1&hvexid=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=432764331181719195&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=b&ref=pd_sl_fqs7huacd_b biggrin.gif

I don't think they'll fit in my cup holders biggrin.gif

I need a big boy sippy cup cool.gif
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post #1780 of 2104
7/5/12 at 5:11pm
How have I not purchased this for my nephew yet eek.gif
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post #1781 of 2104
7/6/12 at 6:39am
Larry, how is your HT coming along?
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post #1782 of 2104
7/8/12 at 6:25am
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Originally Posted by AV Science Sales 5 View Post

Larry, how is your HT coming along?

Very good smile.gif

Received my 150' of conduit on Friday and will be running it today. Also picking up 600' of insulation at HD in a few hours...I wonder how I will fit that in the Trans Am rolleyes.gif

OSB and sheetrock are about 10 days away smile.gif
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post #1783 of 2104
7/9/12 at 1:52pm
I built the frame and installed the Centerstage XD material over the weekend. Due to a miscalculation, I ended up with 1.25" from the center of the grommet to the center of the post. This spacing worked very well with the O-rings supplied by SeymourAV. I used 1x4 finger joined pine for the frame and one inch long #10 wood screws for the posts. I did not use any center braces in the frame since the frame was installed directly to my false wall framing. The frame is about 10' x 6' and the longest unsupported length is about 7.5'. The 1x4 appears to be stiff enough not to need any center braces across the 7.5' expanse.

I have not installed the projector and I am still building the speakers, so I cannot commit on the performance but the installation went well.

I'll try to get some pictures posted soon.
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Originally Posted by robfive View Post

I spoke with Chris this morning on the phone and he recommended starting with an 1.5" spacing from the grommet to the post (bolt, screw, whatever you are using) in the frame. He also suggested trying a couple on each end of the screen to see if the tension was appropriate before installing all of the posts in the frame.
I plan to build the frame on Wednesday and I'll report back how the spacing turned out.
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post #1784 of 2104
7/10/12 at 9:49am
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Originally Posted by robfive View Post

I built the frame and installed the Centerstage XD material over the weekend. Due to a miscalculation, I ended up with 1.25" from the center of the grommet to the center of the post. This spacing worked very well with the O-rings supplied by SeymourAV. I used 1x4 finger joined pine for the frame and one inch long #10 wood screws for the posts. I did not use any center braces in the frame since the frame was installed directly to my false wall framing. The frame is about 10' x 6' and the longest unsupported length is about 7.5'. The 1x4 appears to be stiff enough not to need any center braces across the 7.5' expanse.
I have not installed the projector and I am still building the speakers, so I cannot commit on the performance but the installation went well.
I'll try to get some pictures posted soon.
Pictures would be great as I believe my screen is going to be about the same size as yours and I would love to save a few $$ and do the DIY frame. Did you order the velvet from Seymour too?
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post #1785 of 2104
7/10/12 at 2:33pm
Larry, you got a message.
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post #1786 of 2104
7/10/12 at 8:00pm
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Originally Posted by blipszyc View Post

Pictures would be great as I believe my screen is going to be about the same size as yours and I would love to save a few $$ and do the DIY frame. Did you order the velvet from Seymour too?

I did not buy my velvet from SeymourAV. I was going to but then I realized that it was priced per foot and not per yard. I am going to build velvet panels for my entire front wall, not just a border around the screen, so I will need a decent amount of fabric. I plan to order some from Sy Fabrics as recommended on SeymourAV's diy page. I have used the black plush triple velvet from Sy Fabrics before for another frame and it turned out well.

I joined my frame with strips of 1/4" mdf and #6 wood screws. After joining two of the corners I measured the diagonals to verify they were the same. This told me that the frame was squared properly, and then I joined the last two corners. When the frame was assembled I screwed it to two of the false wall uprights that are about 7.5' apart. Then, I installed a couple of the #10 wood screws that acted as the posts for the O-rings and began to attach the fabric to the frame. Once I saw that the O-ring tension was good I installed the rest of the posts and O-rings.

If you would like a better picture I can take a couple with my dslr; its battery was dead at the time of this post.
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Edited by robfive - 7/10/12 at 8:33pm
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post #1787 of 2104
7/13/12 at 8:43am
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Originally Posted by Nedtsc View Post

I've tried a small sample of XD viewing 3D using JVC RS 45. No sign of pattern or weave at 10'. Will try a larger sample. The concern of course is the price otherwise EN4K is no brainer. It's about 3x if I recall right.
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Originally Posted by AndreasMergner View Post

Hi,
I have a 145" diagonal CA (constant area) Center Stage XD DIY screen. I am sitting 12' back and I like it a lot....for 2D. I can see the weave pattern when I use my PC with white screens if I look for it, but typically don't see any weave in movie content unless the image has a bunch of white clouds or such. It is not perfect, but acceptable. I recently bought a 3D PJ and I find that the 3D is very distracting to watch because the weave can be see as a bunch of haze at the depth of the screen. This makes my eyes strain a lot since they are trying to focus on either behind the screen or in front of the screen and also at the "haze". I haven't watched any 3D for months because of it and it's a bit disappointing since I spent a bit extra to get 3D. There is tilt on the weave (about 10-12 degrees) and the PJ is an Epson 5010.
I bought the material in Nov 2010. I don't think the material has changed to a tighter weave, has it? Now, I'm considering changing screen fabrics, but not sure if what I'm experiencing is "normal", if I have made some error or if my eyes are especially good/sensitive.
Thanks for any help you can give!
Andreas


You guys aren't allowed to have conflicting opinions, it makes my life harder tongue.gif

Does anyone else have 3D, notice any problems with weave at around 11' eyeballs?
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post #1788 of 2104
7/13/12 at 9:22am
I have a 174" and sit 14' back and have no problem, I am very pleased with this screen. I will move up to 11' my next 3D movie and let you know.
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post #1789 of 2104
7/13/12 at 6:36pm
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You guys aren't allowed to have conflicting opinions, it makes my life harder tongue.gif
Does anyone else have 3D, notice any problems with weave at around 11' eyeballs?
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I do see the weave in 2D from 11~12 ft away.
I notice it in 3D ONLY if I am looking for it, in scenes that have white contents. Thats very hard too. 3d glasses perhaps are adding some sorts of blur which causes the weave to disappear.
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post #1790 of 2104
7/14/12 at 4:57am
Maybe just because the image is dimmer it's harder to see. The glasses dim the image quite a bit - by maybe 50%?

Gary
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post #1791 of 2104
7/14/12 at 5:04am
I have a sample of enlightenor 4k in as of yesterday so I should be able to tell if my issue is my screen or pj.

Also 3d light levels are at most 25% with the polarization and the glasses only being on half the time for l and r. My 5010 is very bright though.
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post #1792 of 2104
7/14/12 at 9:25am
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You guys aren't allowed to have conflicting opinions, it makes my life harder tongue.gif
Does anyone else have 3D, notice any problems with weave at around 11' eyeballs?
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Don't know about 3D, but for 2D, I noticed the weave at 11'. This only occurred on bright scenes like clouds or sand. Using EN4K now at a viewing distance of around 9' (107" wide scope) no visable weave.
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post #1793 of 2104
7/28/12 at 10:09am
FYI, we started changing to a different host for the website, which apparently takes 24 to 48 hours for all the servers to update. If things go smoothly we'll be back up hopefully over the weekend.

Cheers,
Chris
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post #1794 of 2104
7/29/12 at 11:20am
Well, I'm building a new AT screen! My curent one suffers from a design flaw (my fault). It's a tad too small to accomodate the projector distance and zoom so I have about 2 inches of overscan with 16:9 content. I tolerated it for nearly 3 years, but now it's going to be replaced!

I'm speading the expenses! I have just ordered the black velvet border tape from eBay, I'll order the Seymour fabric next month and finally buy the frame material and assemble the thing sometime this fall. cool.gif
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post #1795 of 2104
8/6/12 at 7:53am
Chris,

Will you manning the both at Cedia this year and what are you intending to display? I am planning to spend one day there and am interested in what I will be able to see at your booth.
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post #1796 of 2104
8/6/12 at 2:42pm
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Chris,
Will you manning the both at Cedia this year and what are you intending to display? I am planning to spend one day there and am interested in what I will be able to see at your booth.

Indeed, both Patrice and I will be at booth 1439 for the Seymour-Screen Excellence brand. We'll be showing the new Absolute (curved fixed frame, 4K, with motorized AT side masks, 2.37 to full close), the new masking retractable (dual roller 2.37 to 16:9, 4K, with drop down AT side panels), and possibly a plain vanilla solid screen line for the dealer/installer channel. Also, we'll have a spacious 148.5" wide 2.37 ratio Enlightor-4K screen in the Procella Audio sound room #7. They've always put on a very impressive demo - 300lb sound doors and all. I think it's a DPI projector, too. They'll be building a full baffle wall, so it'll be reference quality all the way.

For S-SE updates, I'd recommend the facebook page here: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Seymour-Screen-Excellence/143253752362177

For Seymour AV updates, I like to come here. smile.gif

Cheers,
Chris
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post #1797 of 2104
8/7/12 at 3:36pm
Is the 63 inches wide DIY material still available? I don't see it in the price list!
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post #1798 of 2104
8/7/12 at 4:02pm
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Also, we'll have a spacious 148.5" wide 2.37 ratio Enlightor-4K screen in the Procella Audio sound room #7. They've always put on a very impressive demo - 300lb sound doors and all. I think it's a DPI projector, too. They'll be building a full baffle wall, so it'll be reference quality all the way.

Thanks for the kind words, Chris. We're actually going to have the Avielo native 2.35:1 projector, along with a Datasat RS20i processor, our own amps, Quest acoustical design and a Kaleidescape. We used the same screen at ISE in Amsterdam earlier this year.

Chuck Back
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post #1799 of 2104
8/8/12 at 10:04am
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Originally Posted by deromax View Post

Is the 63 inches wide DIY material still available? I don't see it in the price list!

No, we haven't made the 63" wide in quite a while. It just wasn't wide enough to accommodate the tilted cuts for the fixed frame screens and the low volumes didn't prove to be worth the dimensional savings. We may do 70-80" wide in the future, but so far the numbers haven't worked out. As source and projector quality improve, we're seeing people wanting ever larger screens, so I think we'll stick to the 98" wide rolls for the time being.

Cheers,
Chris
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post #1800 of 2104
8/8/12 at 3:04pm
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No, we haven't made the 63" wide in quite a while.

Oh.

I understand your choice on a buisness point, if it was not selling well. But it's unfortunate as the 63 inches size was great for 2.35 screens when minimal or no tilt was requiered. 98 inches will produce massive left over material and change the project cost substantially!

Well, whatever is needed.. 98 inches material will be it! cool.gif
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