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post #1921 of 2109
1/29/13 at 4:19am
I got a FedEx shipping confirmation. My Seymour XD screen material should be here tomorrow. Unfortunately, I won't be ready to hang for a few weeks later.
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post #1922 of 2109
1/29/13 at 11:31am
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Originally Posted by tjbeaum View Post

Chris:

I am looking to get a center stage screen. I am in the final stages of building now and want to know if i use a sony vpl95es with about a 15' throw and a 110" screen will the gain be too much for the sony? I asked around for a elitor 4k but cant seem to find anyone to give me pricing and dont know if i really need the 4k screen for a 95es. the seating will start 10' back and i think i should be fine with the center stage material.

Thoughts?

Thanks

Hi -

I think I answered your questions over the phone, but if not: For that relatively smaller screen size and fairly close seating distance, the advantages of the Enlightor-4K would come into play. I don't think you'd need the extra gain of the XD and the 4K would give you better black levels and shadow details at this size. Let me know if you need samples or have questions.

Cheers,
Chris
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post #1923 of 2109
1/29/13 at 11:32am
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Originally Posted by smokarz View Post

Hi Chris,

Can I request a sample of XD CenterStage fabric?

Thanks,

I just need your mailing address for a free letter size, or if you need the 24x24 sample it ships in a tube. Email address below or feel free to PM.

Cheers,
Chris@seymourav.com
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post #1924 of 2109
1/29/13 at 11:53am
Chris,

I had a great idea.

In my last theater, I had a hard time stopping people from wanting to touch my screen.
I'm keeping my sample you sent and when someone asks to touch the screen, I'll whip out my sample and say "If you have to feel it...touch this instead"
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post #1925 of 2109
1/29/13 at 12:32pm
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Originally Posted by JeffreyJonesBSME View Post

Chris,

I had a great idea.

In my last theater, I had a hard time stopping people from wanting to touch my screen.
I'm keeping my sample you sent and when someone asks to touch the screen, I'll whip out my sample and say "If you have to feel it...touch this instead"



That's a great idea. Wish I could say the same thing to a bunch of under 10yr old kids.


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post #1926 of 2109
1/29/13 at 3:30pm
Hi all,

I will soon be a repeat customer for Seymour XD Centerstage Screen. I originally bought this diy material from Chris a few years back for my first projector an Epson 8100, and built my own screen. I remember my wife saying " I better see a big improvement with pq. quality with this screen".... 2 weeks later the wife went out and bought a full size popcorn maker along with other decor for our ht room...biggrin.gif Fast forward to today, just bought an Epson 5020 and will go with a larger XD screen. Chris was great to deal with. The image from my 5020 is just great on the 110 diagonal XD material IMO But the 5020 can project a larger image at the same distance as the 8100.. Be in contact with you soon Chris
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post #1927 of 2109
1/30/13 at 12:18pm
Just ordered mine for my DIY curved screen. Can't wait!

@Colin. It's funny about the wife thing, because my wife likes to downplay the home theater and act all ho hum about it. But as soon as new guests come over and have a tour of the house that's the first place she takes them!
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post #1928 of 2109
1/30/13 at 1:14pm
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Just ordered mine for my DIY curved screen. Can't wait!

@Colin. It's funny about the wife thing, because my wife likes to downplay the home theater and act all ho hum about it. But as soon as new guests come over and have a tour of the house that's the first place she takes them!

I think that is page 1 in the "wife manual". Mine too.
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post #1929 of 2109
1/31/13 at 10:33am
Is it important to put some sort of sound dampening with the speakers behind a Center Stage Screen? Should I use Auralex? Is there a less expensive alternative? Would Roxul insulation work? Just wondering what is the way to set it up correctly. The screen is about 2.5' off the wall and the speakers are going to be behind them and I am curious what everyone is doing that owns these screens.
Thanks!
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post #1930 of 2109
1/31/13 at 10:36am
My screen came yesterday!

It's still in the tube and will stay there for about 3 weeks, until I can get my theater's screen wall prepared and finished.

This wait is killing me.
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post #1931 of 2109
1/31/13 at 10:45am
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Originally Posted by lance7 View Post

Is it important to put some sort of sound dampening with the speakers behind a Center Stage Screen? Should I use Auralex? Is there a less expensive alternative? Would Roxul insulation work? Just wondering what is the way to set it up correctly. The screen is about 2.5' off the wall and the speakers are going to be behind them and I am curious what everyone is doing that owns these screens.
Thanks!

I am in process of finishing my screen wall in my theater. I decided to put a plywood barrier about 1.5 inches behind the screen surface to act as "fall into" protection. Chris told me I should paint the bare wood flat black before I install my screen. He didn't say anything about sound barriers, but I'd say this is up to you. I've been considering the same thing, but I'm waiting to do that until I get the screen up and speakers working so I can see how much noise I get behind my screen.

It all really depends on your unique theater configuration. As you can see in my picture, behind my screen wall is a hallway. I expect to get lots of sound there and this is why I'm considering using a sound barrier.


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post #1932 of 2109
1/31/13 at 12:47pm
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Originally Posted by blastermaster View Post

Just ordered mine for my DIY curved screen. Can't wait!

@Colin. It's funny about the wife thing, because my wife likes to downplay the home theater and act all ho hum about it. But as soon as new guests come over and have a tour of the house that's the first place she takes them!

I think it's in their chapter titled "Don't Encourage Him." I can sometimes hear that Marge Simpson sound of worry in the background, but all in all it's a great hobby that the whole family enjoys. After it's done, I've never heard of family disharmony as a result, unlike some strictly 2-channel excesses.

I did get a call one time from a customer on a related note. He said he'd spoken to me about a year earlier and wanted a fully decked out fixed frame screen with masking panels. His wife told him it was her or the screen. He was calling to inform me that she's gone and it was time to order the screen. A wise decision, sir...

Cheers,
Chris
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post #1933 of 2109
1/31/13 at 1:02pm
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Originally Posted by lance7 View Post

Is it important to put some sort of sound dampening with the speakers behind a Center Stage Screen? Should I use Auralex? Is there a less expensive alternative? Would Roxul insulation work? Just wondering what is the way to set it up correctly. The screen is about 2.5' off the wall and the speakers are going to be behind them and I am curious what everyone is doing that owns these screens.
Thanks!

If you were using a perforated vinyl screen, they have significant backwave reflections which is why per the THX guidelines the entire baffle wall is always to be covered in heavy absorption. The XD screen is much more acoustically transparent and the baffle wall absorption is more optional. I encourage nice thick absorption of at least 4" when the room and/or speakers are lively enough to handle it or designed for it. However, there is no appreciable backwave reflection off a woven screen provided the openness is adequate (I've seen some that are closed up way too much with 7-8dB suckouts - boo). Some rooms therefore don't need it. I don't have any backwall absorption because the fronts are 6' spaced from the wall. I did have to treat first reflection points and axis where slap or flutter echo can develop (think 90 degree sides and directly behind) with combinations of absorption and diffusion.

Cheers,
Chris
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post #1934 of 2109
1/31/13 at 8:53pm
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Originally Posted by lance7 View Post

Is it important to put some sort of sound dampening with the speakers behind a Center Stage Screen? Should I use Auralex? Is there a less expensive alternative? Would Roxul insulation work? Just wondering what is the way to set it up correctly. The screen is about 2.5' off the wall and the speakers are going to be behind them and I am curious what everyone is doing that owns these screens.
Thanks!

I used the opportunity that the screen provided to hide a lot of the sound dampening in my room behind the screen.

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I have 9 acoustic panels behind the screen, but all my guests see is this:

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post #1935 of 2109
1/31/13 at 11:19pm
WTF. Ok, clearly I need to make some changes behind my screen. I just have wall, speakers, screen. Thought it was going to be that simple. I have mostly up to this point been a videophile and have only recently begun to upgrade the sound portion of my home theater. If I can make it better by adding acoustic panels, I will. I'll post pics of my setup and hope for feedback. I think I have it pretty open, but pics will tell if that's true or not. Also, if I'm using a curved screen and the speaker drivers are supposed to be parallel with the screen, should I be slightly toeing in the L/R speakers, since they are slightly angled due to the curve of the screen, or is that way too anal retentive? Cheers.
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post #1936 of 2109
2/1/13 at 5:42am
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Originally Posted by blastermaster View Post

WTF. Ok, clearly I need to make some changes behind my screen. I just have wall, speakers, screen. Thought it was going to be that simple. I have mostly up to this point been a videophile and have only recently begun to upgrade the sound portion of my home theater. If I can make it better by adding acoustic panels, I will. I'll post pics of my setup and hope for feedback. I think I have it pretty open, but pics will tell if that's true or not. Also, if I'm using a curved screen and the speaker drivers are supposed to be parallel with the screen, should I be slightly toeing in the L/R speakers, since they are slightly angled due to the curve of the screen, or is that way too anal retentive? Cheers.

The speaker's angle relative to the screen doesn't matter with the XD, so the general rule still holds true: Do what sounds best and don't worry about the screen.

Cheers,
Chris
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post #1937 of 2109
2/2/13 at 10:53am
I think the best way to considere the XD screen on the acoustical aspect is like the screen is not there. All considerations of speakers distance, angle, reflexion, attenuation, FR irregularities are moot. Soundwise, it's not there!

About in-room sound absorption, I think that damping panels will be way more useful in the room than behind the screen. The sides and back walls need some.
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post #1938 of 2109
2/2/13 at 2:16pm
Dero,

Thanks for the advice. I'm taking down my old screen to install the XD material anyway, so I'm gonna throw up some padding behind the speakers and a bass trap on the side wall. I'm going to wrap it in leftover black material I have so that saves me from having to paint the back wall also. As far as the rest of the room is concerned, one half of the wall leads into another room, but I've closed it off with very thick velvet curtains, so that should help a bit. Also, my drop ceiling has fiberglass panels, which also should help. I tried the clap test and...nothing. Still, there's one wall that can definitely benefit from damping, but it has my plaque mounted movie posters. I'd be sad to see those go.
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post #1939 of 2109
2/2/13 at 2:40pm
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Originally Posted by blastermaster View Post

Dero,

Thanks for the advice. I'm taking down my old screen to install the XD material anyway, so I'm gonna throw up some padding behind the speakers and a bass trap on the side wall. I'm going to wrap it in leftover black material I have so that saves me from having to paint the back wall also. As far as the rest of the room is concerned, one half of the wall leads into another room, but I've closed it off with very thick velvet curtains, so that should help a bit. Also, my drop ceiling has fiberglass panels, which also should help. I tried the clap test and...nothing. Still, there's one wall that can definitely benefit from damping, but it has my plaque mounted movie posters. I'd be sad to see those go.
It may be ok to leave one wall undamped. You do not want to deaden the room too much. I just treated the front wall (behind the screen) the back wall and the ceiling. I left the side walls alone. I am very happy with the results.
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post #1940 of 2109
2/7/13 at 12:55pm
I was just checking in on the SeymourAV site, dreaming as usual about finally having a screen when I discovered their new "Economy" fixed frame product. I decided a while back to go with the Centerstage material but figured I would do DIY to save money. With this new option it makes buying the whole package from Seymour more appealing and frankly, better for my budget or lack thereof. One thing I'm not clear on is if the frame is still made of aluminum or if it's something else. Having the rubber band and post system would really be nice and I wouldn't mind the split in the top and bottom pieces at all. My room is so dark it would probably never be seen. As luch would have it, it's available up to the exact size I was looking for (130" wide 2.35). I'm also wondering if there is some sort of cross member or support bar in the middle of the frame.
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post #1941 of 2109
2/8/13 at 12:37pm
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Originally Posted by dropzone7 View Post

I was just checking in on the SeymourAV site, dreaming as usual about finally having a screen when I discovered their new "Economy" fixed frame product. I decided a while back to go with the Centerstage material but figured I would do DIY to save money. With this new option it makes buying the whole package from Seymour more appealing and frankly, better for my budget or lack thereof. One thing I'm not clear on is if the frame is still made of aluminum or if it's something else. Having the rubber band and post system would really be nice and I wouldn't mind the split in the top and bottom pieces at all. My room is so dark it would probably never be seen. As luch would have it, it's available up to the exact size I was looking for (130" wide 2.35). I'm also wondering if there is some sort of cross member or support bar in the middle of the frame.

It's the same extruded aluminum that we've always used on our Premier frames for up to a 210" wide span. Just a smaller profile, powder coated and split for the savings. The joining bars are 12" of 7ga steel, so there is no sag at the split points. It therefore doesn't need vertical supports, as we also limit the image width to 130". We supply two 18" wide mounting cleats, which when you hang it around the 1/6 and 5/6 image widths use the screen's center of gravity as a friend.

As with any of our screens, I'll take it back if you don't like it. Hopefully, the new economy frame is like the fixed frame we've been making for the past few years (now called Premier so you can tell them apart), and will keep a perfect record of no returns.

Cheers,
Chris
Edited by chriscmore - 2/8/13 at 12:46pm
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post #1942 of 2109
2/8/13 at 12:47pm
Wow, no center support bar needed is even better! I wasn't looking forward to having that obstructing the nice open space or in my case, the lack of space. I really have a unique situation to work around and this sounds like the best solution yet. I just need to get a baffle wall built. I have some linacoustic now but I'm using in wall speakers which won't be built into the wall, they will be built into the false wall.
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post #1943 of 2109
2/8/13 at 1:08pm
Chris,

Do you have pricing availability for thse new Economy screens?
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post #1944 of 2109
2/8/13 at 1:12pm
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Originally Posted by smokarz View Post

Chris,

Do you have pricing availability for thse new Economy screens?

It's on the website under the "store" tab. Then just scroll down to the fixed frame section and the economy version pricing of the screen is listed in the far right column.
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post #1945 of 2109
2/8/13 at 1:15pm
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Originally Posted by dropzone7 View Post

It's on the website under the "store" tab. Then just scroll down to the fixed frame section and the economy version pricing of the screen is listed in the far right column.

Thanks, I'll check them out.
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post #1946 of 2109
2/10/13 at 7:37pm
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Originally Posted by chriscmore View Post

The Elite A4k screen I have isn't finished testing yet. It is a woven polyester PFR like Dazian's Celtic Cloth but not as color accurate. CCC used to be popular in the DIY forums. If you were doing a DIY screen and wanted this type of material, I'd do either CCC or some of the guys are experimenting with spandex over in the DIY forum. While CCC is better than the Elite material, the historical problems with CCC and this type of weave are that CCC's gain is .79 and the cross-pixel light contamination results in a 8% loss in ASNI contrast ratio. This means that the threads light up from within since they are uncoated, and the weave it thick enough that the lit threads contaminate nearby dark areas. In simple terms, this is easiest to see as a halo effect from white on black patterns and is easy to see.

I'll put together measurements and side-by-side screen shots, but you can get a lot better performance up or down the budget.

Cheers,
Chris

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Sure. I'm at Screen Excellence in the UK this week, but if I can stay caught up I should be able to get some progress on that next week.

Cheers,
Chris

Hi Chris, I would enjoy hearing about your testing if you were able to get it done.

Thanks!
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post #1947 of 2109
2/11/13 at 1:02am
I'm looking at getting a retractable screen with the motorized constant-width masking panel (mentioned at the bottom of this page). Chris from Seymour has been very patient and helpful with all my questions, but I would like to hear from someone who has a screen like this installed. Anyone here?
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post #1948 of 2109
2/12/13 at 5:44am
Anyone here have the new GLACIER WHITE 1.3? I will not need an AT screen and am interested in this slightly less expensive option. Is it also a "4K" rated screen? As durable as the the other screen?
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post #1949 of 2109
2/12/13 at 8:32am
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Anyone here have the new GLACIER WHITE 1.3? I will not need an AT screen and am interested in this slightly less expensive option. Is it also a "4K" rated screen? As durable as the the other screen?

The Glacier White screen can resolve 4K.
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post #1950 of 2109
2/12/13 at 12:34pm
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The Glacier White screen can resolve 4K.

I saw my first screen with moire today, and it made me think of the Seymours and how the fabric is angled to prevent this.
Unfortunately it was at my local cinema- commercial. I haven't been there in a while, and clearly they just whacked in their digital projectors without much attention to detail.
In any bright scene it was just horribly distracting and made worse by the fact that I could easily see the pixels in the digital image... Give me film anyday in that application.
Glad this is not something I will have to worry about with my XD screen.
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