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The brightness setting isn't going to make any difference as far as break in. Only the contrast setting is important.


Sorry, I guess I was misinformed regarding the brightness setting.
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Guys ,

what does your screen look like right when you turn it on with no inputs(black screen) when looking at it from about 1 ft away ? mine shows what appears to be tons of green pixels for a few seconds or so then goes to solid black ... i also noticed this in the side bars during 4:3 content it was there then it would change. is this the pixel shifter stuff im seeing?
post #7893 of 10937
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Originally Posted by tbonekel View Post

This brings up a good question for me. I bought my tv last week. I also still have my box. Do I destroy it? What if I have problems with my set? I didn't buy the service plan. I hope nothing happens to my tv, but if it does, do I just load it up into the truck and take it back naked?

I was told that putting a plasma flat may have been a problem in the past but is not so much today. Just don't go muddin' with it in there!
post #7894 of 10937
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Originally Posted by HDNLUVINIT View Post

You won't be unhappy with Blu-Ray playback. I have the 58PZ700U with a Panny Blu-Ray player connected. The image is stunning. If you search this thread, you will find that this topic has been covered over and over. IMHO - the lack of 1080p/24 is much ado about nothing. But, again, that's just MHO.

I have a Kuro and the 700u- I notice a difference with film (smoother in panning scenes with the Pio in Advance mode) but it is not a huge thing and I wouldn't miss it if I didn't have a comparison handy. If you are at all concerned about it and can afford the extra money, get a Pioneer Kuro which displays 24hz and has deeper blacks to boot.
And don't flame me for recommending another TV, I like my 700U!
post #7895 of 10937
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Originally Posted by rama123 View Post

I've got the 58pz700u and got it installed. I noticed a lot of buzzing from the tv speakers if I turn them up-- even with the audio source off. Do you think that is from the tv or from some sort of interference? How do I sort it out?

Thanks for the input.

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post #7896 of 10937
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Originally Posted by jmmesch View Post

I am waiting for a Pioneer Kuro from 2 sources, now, and both say the 1st or 2nd week of February. Both also will give me a price below MSRP, but they vary slightly. Yet, I have the Panasonic TH-65PZ750U being offered to me for $5K. The stand for it, which I need is optional, but it is a few hundred additional, me thinks, $300. If I wait for the Pro-150FD it will cost about $750-$1000 more.

I believe I want the Pro-150FD over the Panny 750U or the Pioneer 6010FD because the 150FD has a LAN connection, and neither the 6010FD nor the Panny 750U have one.

Do any of you, know what that LAN connector on the TV is for ? I am hoping it can play content from any PC on my internal Gigabit network, like photos, movies in different file formats and other stuff. Maybe it can it play Windows Media Center from wither one of our Vista machines with Media Center. If you know what a LAN connector on a TV is used for please say so and for what. I think it makes the Pro-150FD more future-proof than the Panny since I can always later setup a PC to feed it content.

If I am wrong on how the LAN connection on the Pro-150FD (or the 110FD) works, shoot me down, and I'll buy the Panny, but so far, I want a nice large flat panel to play TV and LAN content. Is the Pio Pro-150FD what I want? Or is the Panny 750U better and I should forget about the LAN?

You can get the 6010FD for $4525 shipped from plasmatv.com and they are authorized from Pio with good rep.
post #7897 of 10937
Thanks. It buzzed regardless of the av source. My installer thinks its a ground loop problem and he told me to buy a three prong to two prong adapter which has a small metal loop at the bottom. I plugged the tv into it and then I plugged the adapter into the surge protector. The sound went away!

Sooo, what is a ground loop problem? DO I need an electrician to look at the outlet?

Thanks.

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Originally Posted by rama123 View Post
I've got the 58pz700u and got it installed. I noticed a lot of buzzing from the tv speakers if I turn them up-- even with the audio source off. Do you think that is from the tv or from some sort of interference? How do I sort it out?

Thanks for the input.
What is the audio source, and does it still buzz if that source has its cable disconnected at the TV (assuming an external source)? Also, what kind of cable is it? Could also be ground loops (which optical cables don't "do").
post #7898 of 10937
Update,,sitting and flipping watching HD news on 4 stations with my cousin,so we both at the same time say"tint has to be lower",,so i lowered from
+3 to -1 and i have the most jaw dropping natural picture i have ever seen on any tv and cousin agrees..flesh tones are spot on,black detail is scary,everything is popping in the color dept.Now as soon as the sun goes down i know i'll have to go back to +3 on the tint,i see a pattern developing.
Panny owners,when your plasmas hit close to a 1000 hours you'll be jumping up and down with happiness.
post #7899 of 10937
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Originally Posted by kkj1961 View Post

Hi Guys. I'm on the fence between the 50" and 58" 700U models. I've read that the 58" has a 5,000:1 contrast ratio, while the 50" has a 10,000:1 ratio. My primary viewing will be from around 10 feet. Do you think the 50" is the better option with the higher contrast ratio (and around $1000 less), or would I benefit a lot from the 58" at 10 feet? My parents just got the 50" and it looks great.

Kevin


The contrast ratio on both the 50" and 58" are the same ... 5000:1. The only issue is whether you want a larger screen which as others have commented is worth it if in your budget.
post #7900 of 10937
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Originally Posted by dsskid View Post

Keep in mind that Panasonic recommends that you keep your picture and brightness settings at zero, and to avoid static images or black bars when viewing for the first 100 hrs or so, since this is the "breakin period". Some say you should gradually work up to the higher settings until you reach 1000 hrs, but that is open to debate.

Here's what Panasonic recommends.
post #7901 of 10937
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Originally Posted by tim3320070 View Post

I was told that putting a plasma flat may have been a problem in the past but is not so much today. Just don't go muddin' with it in there!

Laying a Plasma flat is as bad as it always has been. It's because the stresses on horizontal glass are much greater than on vertical glass. Avoid laying it down if you can, if not be extremely careful on the ride home.
post #7902 of 10937
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Originally Posted by falsedawn View Post

Here's what Panasonic recommends.

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Panasonic has clearly marked on the box of my 58PZ700U that it must remain upright at all times and Best Buy also stressed when loading it that it not be laid down because the weight of the glass would cause escape of the gas behind the screen.

Mike
post #7904 of 10937
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Originally Posted by HDTVmeeh View Post

Well let's say i purchased the disc,even just setting up my Blu ray player i wouldn't know where to begin,,for example-there are 5 settings on the Blu Ray player --soft,fine,cinema,user,normal,they're all different, for instance i play the Pirates of the caribbean ,set to -USER- with my own adjustments,sharpness up one,gamma up one,color down one,and then on the tv i'll turn down the picture by one, the brightness by 2 and the movies perfect,at "NIGHT" in a dark room,in the afternoon a bit differently.Hairspray the movie only looks good when set to-FINE-on the Bplayer,every disc is different,after playing this combo for over a month i know what needs what within the first 30 seconds of a movie be it in HD or SD.
Your comment about DVE suggesting i clip back at the sets reference 0% black,,DVE hasn't even met my set up and it's suggesting? in what settings?

Don't want to sound rude but "and if that decision for you is to sacrifice detail at the far end (i.e.4% and below) so you can maintain the "deeper" looking picture that the dark setting gives you,that's your call"
How do you know i'm sacrificing detail? I have a pristine HD picture thru cable,i set up my tv with the local news casts within a mile from my house when they're broadcasting live,i know what most of the reporters look like in real life,i know what outside at the very second of the broadcast looks like,iv seen the city and have a pretty good idea of the color of pretty much everything in the city.When i change to the SD channels they're spot on,though once in a while i'll put up the brightness up by one,sometimes down by one.Hey if you like watching everything at one setting then who am i to say your wrong? Oh and the black levels on a 700 series panasonic are just as good if not better than a Pioneer 4280,but some will never know this.

edit: Plying Diana Krall live at Montreaux on SD DVD,,looks like crap,,till i set "USER", Gamma up 1 ,contrast-2,sharpness+2 in the Bray player.
TV,Color upped 1.
Now all the instruments are perfect in detail,color,black depth and detail.
edit: Watching Anthony Bourdain No Reservation in SD DVD,,B ray player setting-Fine,,TV setting,,,color -10,tint +1.

Kinda like this?
post #7905 of 10937
I haven't taken my own advice yet and purchased a BluRay player such as Panny's BD30. I received in yesterday's mail AVIA II. Using component input to my 42PZ700U, I went about and calibrated settings on Cinema as a base. Very nice in my surroundings. My question is will I see significant or just some differences when using a BluRay player and upconverting out via HDMI. Just asking as I know I'll just recalibrate again!
post #7906 of 10937
Time at last to de-lurk on this forum - you all have been immensely helpful as I've narrowed down my selection to the Panny 7xxU series, then size and finally deciding on the 58" 750U after making paper mockups.

HOWEVER, just today (while waiting for my order delivery in a couple weeks) I've been offered a screaming deal on the 65" 750U - looks like they have more on hand then Panasonic is comfortable with, and have started slashing prices to distis.

My primary seating location is about 8-9 feet from the screen, with a couch at 11-12 feet; due to room size neither can be pushed back further. My paper mockup and reading this thread says the 58" would be great.

But I'd like to hear from 65" 700-series owners: is 65" overkill in my environment? Big is nice, and I keep stuff until it dies, so this may end up in a bigger room some day, but would it be like sitting too close to the movie screen?

Most usage would be for BluRay movies, some HD broadcast via basic cable (zero OTA reception out here in the boonies), a lot of regular widescreen DVDs and some SD basic cable with a few PS3 games here and there. No sports.

The deal is legit, from a likely future in-law who will sell to me at cost, and is almost a no-brainer unless it's just too much for my setting. Also not sure if a stand option exists (I know it's not included), still waiting to hear on that option pricing. Wall mounting not an option in current location; must be on a stand.

So let's hear it from the 65" owners out there - would you watch your Panny from 8-12 feet away?

Thanks for helping an HDTV newbie.

Update: Holy smoke! The (optional) stand has a list price of $999! Yikes; just about enough to kill the idea right there, but I'm still openminded.
post #7907 of 10937
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Originally Posted by JimInPT View Post

My primary seating location is about 8-9 feet from the screen, with a couch at 11-12 feet; due to room size neither can be pushed back further. My paper mockup and reading this thread says the 58" would be great.

Update: Holy smoke! The (optional) stand has a list price of $999! Yikes; just about enough to kill the idea right there, but I'm still openminded.

Wall mounting would be cheaper if you can go that route.

I've got a 58PZ750U and currently sit at about 9'-10' until I can get my media room done. At that distance the 58" seems almost small at times depending on what I'm watching. If you will be watching a lot of widescreen movies then I'd suggest the 65" if the price isn't an issue.
post #7908 of 10937
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Originally Posted by falsedawn View Post

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Originally Posted by dsskid View Post

Keep in mind that Panasonic recommends that you keep your picture and brightness settings at zero, and to avoid static images or black bars when viewing for the first 100 hrs or so, since this is the "breakin period". Some say you should gradually work up to the higher settings until you reach 1000 hrs, but that is open to debate.


Here's what Panasonic recommends.

This 100-1000 hour break in time shows up nowhere in the 700u manuals. Perhaps break-in was necessary in previous models but if it really was necessary it would be next to all of the other warnings in the manual.
post #7909 of 10937
On the 58PZ700U/750U, can anyone tell me:

1) What the width of the stand is?
2) Does the stand swivel?

Thanks much.
post #7910 of 10937
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Originally Posted by ptanner View Post


On the 58PZ700U/750U, can anyone tell me:

1) What the width of the stand is?

Thanks much.

Hopefully you'll get exact dims from an owner (waiting for mine), but you can download the manual from Panasonic and scale from the Specifications page near the end of the book:

http://www2.panasonic.com/consumer-e...el.TH-58PZ750U

(sorry, haven't posted enough to be allowed to include clickable URLs)

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On the 58PZ700U/750U, can anyone tell me:

2) Does the stand swivel?

Thanks much.

This much I know: it does not. If you think about it, that makes sense, as swiveling on the stand would make it unstable and likely to tip over unless the stand had a huge circular base. It's a heavy beast.
post #7911 of 10937
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Originally Posted by tim3320070 View Post

You can get the 6010FD for $4525 shipped from plasmatv.com and they are authorized from Pio with good rep.

Tim,

Thanks for anwering, but this, I know and from Roman at Invision Displays for a bit less. BUT, I am thinking the LAN connector on the Elite makes the set more future-proof because I could have it play video downloads or rips over my home network. I believe it can do this. Do you know?
post #7912 of 10937
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Originally Posted by ptanner View Post

On the 58PZ700U/750U, can anyone tell me:

1) What the width of the stand is?
2) Does the stand swivel?

Thanks much.

The width of the base is 35 inches and it does not swivel. Measurement from my 58PZ700U.

Mike
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Originally Posted by rama123 View Post

Thanks. It buzzed regardless of the av source. My installer thinks its a ground loop problem and he told me to buy a three prong to two prong adapter which has a small metal loop at the bottom. I plugged the tv into it and then I plugged the adapter into the surge protector. The sound went away!

Sooo, what is a ground loop problem? DO I need an electrician to look at the outlet?

Thanks.

Original post and reply:

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Originally Posted by rama123 View Post
I've got the 58pz700u and got it installed. I noticed a lot of buzzing from the tv speakers if I turn them up-- even with the audio source off. Do you think that is from the tv or from some sort of interference? How do I sort it out?

Thanks for the input.
What is the audio source, and does it still buzz if that source has its cable disconnected at the TV (assuming an external source)? Also, what kind of cable is it? Could also be ground loops (which optical cables don't "do").

Yes, ultimately it could be a problem in power wiring. I'd suggest two attacks:

1. Is your ENTIRE system plugged into the same power strip, or is some in one and others in another? Or is even one plugged into another wall socket than the others are? If so, try to get all connected to one place and if the buzz goes away, if there's a difference between those two wall jacks then one is probably wired wrong.

2. Because the ground disconnection of your set seems to break a ground loop, it may be instrumental to see who is involved (if it's not #1 above). Completely unplug the audio/video/anything_else from your system's boxes, ones other than the TV itself and see which one's disconnection makes the sound go away. Might first try to unplug them, but that's not as good a test because there may be more than one unit involved in the loop. Try each one even if one seems to make it go away (reconnecting so only ONE is disconnected at a time). Any guilty parties will then be shown to eliminate the sound. They may have leakage problems or the like too.


Also keep in mind that it's possible that leakages in a surge protector might cause problems too. They've MOV devices in them (Zinc Oxide based, as I recall) and if they're breakdown voltages are a bit too low they may cause excessive leakage somewhere inappropriate. Just a thought (replace the surge protection strip with something else temporarily to see if that'll make it go away).

Good luck...
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I've noticed my blacks look much better on HD content as opposed to DVD. The DVD player I am using is an Oppo 970HD. I'm wondering if this is a characteristic of DVD or possibly the Oppo. If I get a Blue-Ray, will the blacks be more like what I am getting through HD satellite?
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Originally Posted by T Morris View Post

Wall mounting would be cheaper if you can go that route.

I've got a 58PZ750U and currently sit at about 9'-10' until I can get my media room done. At that distance the 58" seems almost small at times depending on what I'm watching. If you will be watching a lot of widescreen movies then I'd suggest the 65" if the price isn't an issue.


If I did wall-mount it (a whole 'nother issue since it's a rented house; need to get permission), I'd need to have swivel as well as tilt to accommodate window reflections and seating locations. For the 65" monster, a tilt/swivel wall mount will be big bucks - but that #$%@ stand might STILL be more expensive! And if I move, there's no guarantee I'd be able to wall mount it again, and end up needing the stand anyway - might be hard to find in the future.

I did some more research at the Panny site. The stand weighs 37.5 lbs, so heftier than the ones included with the 42-58" sizes, but still . . . it'd have to be made of solid gold to justify $1,000 just for a tabletop stand. It's hard to imagine where they get that kind of price. Even if they built small quantities it shouldn't be more than $250-300 or so. The deal I'm being offered makes the price of the stand alone much higher than the difference between the 58 and 65 TVs.

Still scratching my head over this one. Grrrrrrr.

Thanks for your thoughts on viewing distance. I haven't mocked-up the 65" unit yet, but will play paper dolls with it before making a final decision. The 58 is a huge difference over the 50 at 8 feet.
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Originally Posted by bhopal21 View Post

Best Buy also stressed when loading it that it not be laid down because the weight of the glass would cause escape of the gas behind the screen.

Unbelievable. It's not good to lay the panel flat during shipping, but this sure isn't why.
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*Please help me fill in the gaps on some of these settings. If you know something I don't, let me know and I will update this post!

I finally felt brave enough to venture into the service menu last night. I'm going to explain a few things...How to access it, and what each setting (may) mean. I'm not responsible if you brick your set. But, if you are careful, you can very easily change your set to your liking.

Step One - My Original Defaults
I've only changed the basic settings, so far. Here were my 50PZ700u's defaults:

Sub - Brt: 800
Contrast: 194
Color: 3F
Tint: 03

I have not changed other settings like "Red-Cut, Green-Cut, All-Cut, All-Drv." Lee L said this about these settings:

Those items are for increasing or decreasing the amount of colors for setting the proper grayscale. Cut dimishes a certain color (or all colors for the All) and the Drv is Drive and it increases that item. These are useful for calibrating with the devices that measure the colorimetry from the screen or a comparison device.

A calibrator will use these extensively as you can then set the color selectors in the standard TV Menus all to 0 and still have the color be balanced. This will allow you to adjust for a particular show or movie that is bad and be able to get back to even when done.

Step Two - Access/Navigating
I first had trouble getting into the service menu. It turns out that my remote was too close to the tv when I was entering the sequence. Make sure your remote is actually connecting to the TV when you do this, ok, here it goes...

Make sure that your TV's speaker output is set to "on". I believe that this will not work if it's turned off....

Hold down the "-" volume button on the TV. While holding this button down press the "recall" button (on the remote) three times. Your screen will slightly flicker and a menu will be presented in the upper left corner of the screen. You will press the "1" key on your remote and you should come to the sub menu options, which are: sub-brt, color, contrast, tint. You will press the "3" or "4" key to navigate between the sub options.

Here is what I think each suboption is:
"Sub - Brt" is adjusting the black levels
"Color" is like adjusting color on the set's main menu
"Contrast" is adjusting the white levels
"Tint" is like adjusting the tint on the set's main menu

You can adjust any of these settings by pressing the volume button. I found that a little adjustment goes a long ways.

Your settings will be saved when you Turn Off the TV (I believe on the TV itself.)

NOTE: There is supposed to be a way to reset your tv to it's factory settings - I've never tried it my self:

* Turn The TV On.

* Select a TV Channel.

* Press and hold the {VOL -} button on the front of the Plasma
and the {MENU} button on the remote control.

* Hold them down for at least three seconds.

* The TV will go in a Self-Check mode. Any status shown other
than “OK” indicates a problem within a board.

* All Customer settings will be reset to factory default.

* To exit and save, disconnect the AC cord from the outlet.

I took the steps on resetting the TV and accessing the Service Menu from http://www.bruzziforum.com/

*I'm not responsible for anything that might happen to your TV. I'm not an ISF calibrator, I'm not a Panasonic Employee, I'm just some guy trying to give some advice that would have been helpful to me. I don't know if accessing the service menu voids the warrantee.
post #7918 of 10937
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Originally Posted by Andrew_B View Post

This 100-1000 hour break in time shows up nowhere in the 700u manuals. Perhaps break-in was necessary in previous models but if it really was necessary it would be next to all of the other warnings in the manual.


Not sure if it's permissable to add links here, if not please delete

http://www.dynamicdigital.ca/documen...nd%20Myths.pdf
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Originally Posted by dsskid View Post

Not sure if it's permissable to add links here, if not please delete

http://www.dynamicdigital.ca/documen...nd%20Myths.pdf

Personally, I question the relevancy of that link...the information is dated 2004.

Given the rapid advancement of plasma technology, I believe that Panasonic has done greatly more to reduce the likelihood of incidences of burn-in and IR.

I've opted simply to take the advice of Panasonic Customer Service...the identical info given to me on two separate occassions.

For the first 100 hours only:

#1 Have a full picure image on the TV...no sidebars...I prefer Just Mode with 4:3 content.
#2 Avoid Vivid Picture Mode...use only Standard, Custom and Cinema.
#3 Avoid static images.

By following those three simple steps since getting my TH-50PZ700U, I have had absolutely no issues with burn-in nor even the slightest image retention...last night I got up very close to the screen and I see ZERO residual image on any part of my screen.

Do what you deem necessary...
post #7920 of 10937
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Originally Posted by BMAN1212 View Post

Personally, I question the relevancy of that link...the information is dated 2004.

Given the rapid advancement of plasma technology, I believe that Panasonic has done greatly more to reduce the likelihood of incidences of burn-in and IR.

I've opted simply to take the advice of Panasonic Customer Service...the identical info given to me on two separate occassions.

For the first 100 hours only:

#1 Have a full picure image on the TV...no sidebars...I prefer Just Mode with 4:3 content.
#2 Avoid Vivid Picture Mode...use only Standard, Custom and Cinema.
#3 Avoid static images.

By following those three simple steps since getting my TH-50PZ700U, I have had absolutely no issues with burn-in nor even the slightest image retention...last night I got up very close to the screen and I see ZERO residual image on any part of my screen.

Do what you deem necessary...

No mention of reducing Picture settings to zero? That is odd.
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