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Originally Posted by seemenewd View Post

I think my method, practically speaking, is the proper one: largest one before one's wall runs out or one's wallet runs out, whichever limit is met first. :-)

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post #9302 of 10937
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Agreed. I can readily see lamps set on either side of my sofa which is especially noticable in dark scenes. That's what prompted me to set up bias lighting on the rear of the Panny resulting in no annoying reflections.

An interesting observational twist to slight reflections from the 700U...I have actually come to dig it at times...slight reflection adds a depth to the TV picture quality...it really gives credo to that "looking through the window" notion of plasma HD TV.

I don't seek reflection but I've come to learn that I don't mind it's slight presence...although, I do prefer watching movies in relative darkness without any reflections.
post #9304 of 10937
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Originally Posted by bigfan9999 View Post

How far are you seated from the 58pz700? I am deciding between the 50 and the 58. Also, does the 58 overly dominate the room (your expectations vs reality)?

I am seated 12-12.5 feet from the screen. The TV is huge, but I love its size . My room isn't that big either, 16X13, but I wouldn't have it any other way. My recommendation to you...If you are even thinking about a 58" vs. a 50", you must get the 58", bro. You will regret it if you don't. Don't let buyers remorse get you a week after buying your 50 incher. As long as you can afford the bigger one, get it, get it, get it......
post #9305 of 10937
^^^^^^^^^What he said.
post #9306 of 10937
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Originally Posted by bigfan9999 View Post

How far are you seated from the 58pz700? I am deciding between the 50 and the 58. Also, does the 58 overly dominate the room (your expectations vs reality)?

I went through the same decision and ended up with the 58/750U. Couldn't be happier; it's a gorgeous machine, especially with well-mastered Blu-ray discs on the PS3.

If your room, and budget, can accommodate either size I'd recommend doing what I did: make a paper mockup. I got a 4-foot contractor's level and hung my paper doll from one edge - then laid the level on top of my old 27" CRT. (You don't have to use a level; it was just close by and I'm lazy. A 2x4 or other object that's wide enough to hold the paper doll will do.) That way the new paper screen was in the same location as the existing TV.

Make a paper mockup (just tape together sheets of white printer paper or something; I think newsprint would be too distracting) of the 58" and then use a Sharpie marker to outline the 50" dimensions inside the mockup. I recommend putting the smaller one at the upper-left corner of the bigger one rather than centered - it makes the size difference more obvious.

It doesn't sound like it at first, but the extra 8 inches diagonal adds 34% to the total screen area, and that makes a HUGE difference - I figured it out and made my decision in about 10 seconds once I set it up. YMMV, though.

Here's the screen dimensions; note, these are NOT the overall cabinet dimensions, but are the important ones - the actual viewable area:

50" -- 24.5" x 43.5"

58" -- 28.5" x 50.25"

and if you want to go nuts . . . .

65" -- 31.9" x 56.7"


Have fun.
post #9307 of 10937
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Originally Posted by BMAN1212 View Post

An interesting observational twist to slight reflections from the 700U...I have actually come to dig it at times...

"Slight" reflections? Perhaps in your room, however in my room, reflections from lamps are most readily noticable if placed on end tables on either side of the sofa. It's always been that way, only less noticable because the SDTV sat on the floor whereas my new Panny is set up at eye level viewing the middle of the display which makes the lamps (standing pretty much at eye level as well when seated) quite noticable. Considering how much I paid for this set no amount of reflection is acceptable in my book... especially not when I can turn the lamps off and see nothing but incredible HD PQ. Viewing the TV in total darkness can be hard on the eyes though, which is why some kind of low lighting in the rear of the TV is preferred to reduce eye strain. As has been pointed out, the "anti-glare" screen on the 77u reduces glare more so than the "anti-reflective" coating 700u, however, in so doing also gives the 77u a softer less "wow!" PQ in the process which is why those having had both in their homes, much prefer the 700u and most likely why Panasonic chose to no longer use the "anti-glare" on future model plasmas. You can usually get rid of the glare by proper placement of the Panny or lighting, however, there's nothing that can be done about the display coating.
post #9308 of 10937
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Originally Posted by csunflip View Post

Yes....that is what I meant by checked off

Thakns for the info!

I can't quite figure out if this was answered yet, so here it is. If you want your DirecTV HR20 or HR21 to pass everything it gets ABSOUTELY UNTOUCHED by the STB to the TV (both in resolution and aspect ratio), the settings are (in the HDTV Menu): (1) under the Video Tab: Native: ON; Screen Format: Original Format; (2) under the TV Resoution Tab: All boxes checked.

Give that a try; see how you like it.

Then try Native Off, 1080i output, Screen Resoution set to Pillar Box so the SD channels which are being upconverted to 1080i still retain their 4:3 aspect ratio. This seems to be the non-native setup I *think* folks like JDSmoothie and Randy prefer.

Those seem to be the two "alternatives" people tend to favor. So, I'd give them both a shot and see which you prefer.

Good luck!

--Mav
post #9309 of 10937
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Originally Posted by Gary J View Post

Those are QAM channels the cable companies are required to provide while kicking and screaming. They like to encourage you to subscribe to a package by constantly moving them around. People who get their locals this way are constantly having to re-scan.

Apparently not all cable companies move them around. All my digital and HD QAM channels have remained exactly where they were since i first found them three years ago. Same goes for my friends in other areas who's QAM channels i found for them. So far nobody i know has had their QAM channels moved. I say this because there have been a few times where my channels were suddenly unavailable and a few times i got calls from friends because his/her QAM channels were suddenly unavailable, but it always turned out to be some sort of temporary outage and the channels came back within a day or two, right where they were before. So just because they suddenly disappear, doesn't necessarily mean they've been moved by your cable company.
post #9310 of 10937
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Originally Posted by Maverickster2 View Post

If you want your DirecTV HR20 or HR21 to pass everything it gets ABSOUTELY UNTOUCHED by the STB to the TV (both in resolution and aspect ratio), the settings are (in the HDTV Menu): (1) under the Video Tab: Native: ON; Screen Format: Original Format; (2) under the TV Resoution Tab: All boxes checked.

Give that a try; see how you like it.

Then try Native Off, 1080i output, Screen Resoution set to Pillar Box so the SD channels which are being upconverted to 1080i still retain their 4:3 aspect ratio.

I retried both of those options again this morning using our HR21 -- I think the options had changed slightly with the new software that came down some weeks ago and I hadn't tried it again since then.

The last option you mentioned is how I had things set before. It's also how I have it set again now. After trying the Native-on version above I put things back. FWIW. SD channels I tried didn't really seem to be any better in "Native" that I could notice but operational aspects had me liking the all-1080i way from the HR21. Possibly had I left it that way for a week I might have other thoughts, but I only gave it five minutes. I also was being given "death threat looks" if I couldn't get it set back to how it was. :-)
post #9311 of 10937
I am soooo enjoying the HD signal, the HD-DVR I got, and this 50" Panny. I'm watching the HISTORY channel for goodness sakes...something I never could bother with before. And it's STUNNING. A show on how the earth was formed...in HD....I can't take my eyes off this TV.

I'm already fantasizing about a larger panel even though I have no need or budget for the 58" Panny I'm just salivating thinking of what that must look like.

I am hooked on my HD channels.

HGTV shows colors like I've never seen them before. :-D
post #9312 of 10937
What to see some great colors? Check out CSI - Miami.
post #9313 of 10937
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Originally Posted by LottaMoxie View Post

I am soooo enjoying the HD signal, the HD-DVR I got, and this 50" Panny. I'm watching the HISTORY channel for goodness sakes...something I never could bother with before. And it's STUNNING. A show on how the earth was formed...in HD....I can't take my eyes off this TV.

I'm already fantasizing about a larger panel even though I have no need or budget for the 58" Panny I'm just salivating thinking of what that must look like.

I am hooked on my HD channels.

HGTV shows colors like I've never seen them before. :-D

I'm happy you got it worked out with DirecTV! Enjoy!

--Mav

P.S. Food Network HD is another good place to look for good colors.
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Yes though if I watch the food network I'll just want to eat & eat & eat. I saw a Quiznos commercial last night and I just about had to make a midnight run to the sub shop. No good for the waist line! ;-)

I may have to opt for more HD channels. Eeegads it is addicting and I'm not THAT much of a TV watcher....at least I wasn't before.

I'm very happy I got the HD-DVR as well. It has plenty of capacity and the integration with the D*tv service is slick. I didn't realize they had all these video on demands that I could download for free. wheeeee!
post #9315 of 10937
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

What to see some great colors? Check out CSI - Miami.

also check out American Idol, for both audio and video.
post #9316 of 10937
I have the 58pz700 and have a Sanus wall mount. How do you attach it to the back of the TV as no real instructions are available? Thanks Karl do you remove andyhing from the back of the set?
post #9317 of 10937
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Originally Posted by cincy51 View Post

I have the 58pz700 and have a Sanus wall mount. How do you attach it to the back of the TV as no real instructions are available? Thanks Karl do you remove andyhing from the back of the set?

There's four places where the mount will screw on. They come covered with little plastic covers that will pop off w/o too much difficulty. My articulating mount is mounted directly on the back although it has been reported that spacers should be used (but in my case new screws would have to be purchased down at Home Depot or somewhere else because the included ones weren't long enough to use the spacers (and is why I didn't use the spacers)). Distance between screws is a great deal wider than the comparatively small spacing of the VESA mount that's on the relatively puny 32" LCD we've in our bedroom .

P.S. - Sanus has downloadable instructions on their website.
post #9318 of 10937
Thanks much found everything you talked about
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Originally Posted by colnago View Post

[b]...The biggest discovery though was that the changes on the Component port seem to carry over to HDMI (global setting?), whereas Contrast is "not" configurable on HDMI (at least not my set, firmware issue?)...


Ok, after a few days of more critical viewing, I'm retracting the statement that Contrast adjustments on the Component port carried over to HDMI...still looks like its input dependent, and HDMI ports are at "Max"...I'm really enjoying Component/Custom mode now.

I also went and lowered the Sub-Brt setting to the 7F_ levels, as the "haze" was too much above 815 levels. I could get a livable "dark/haze-level" with Sub-Brt being higher, but I wanted to be able to set Brightness at levels above +15 so see if it had any affect with black-crush.

After viewing same DVR'd content on my Panasonic Tau CRT, the same problem areas exist, and there is a really small window of settings options between "digging out dark detail" and "having too much haze". I'm not sure at this point if "the image is just dark", or a "Panny issue", or a "Dish Network" issue. Unfortunately I don't have the same movies/content to try on my DVD player. That said, being able to lower Contrast via service menu is making for a much better overall picture with component cables.
post #9320 of 10937
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Originally Posted by seemenewd View Post

Out of curiosity, what mode do you have the set in? On my ..750 the studio monitor mode is best for shading (and the one we use as our default currently -- with just a couple tweaks on it). Were you using Cinema mode (which I assume to be the closest equivalent on the 700)?

I was actually using custom mode, which i heard was quite close to cinema. I might try using cinema and try to note any differences
post #9321 of 10937
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Originally Posted by chrisherbert View Post

This is called false contouring or color banding. To some extent it is the fault of the display, although I don't think the 700u has any serious false contouring issues.

It could very well be in the source. Mpeg compression often created this effect.


i have this effect from the ps3 via hdmi and my cable box via component. ps3 in 1080p obviously and the cablebox in 1080i
post #9322 of 10937
hi all,

i've been indecisive in terms of purchasing the sony 52" xbr4 lcd or panny 50" 700u/750u plasma. after going to bb, cc, and frys, i finally decided to get the panny after seeing for myself the notorious "ghosting/smearing" on the sony xbr4. so i have a couple of lingering questions. why is the 50" 700u priced almost the same, if not higher, than the 50" 750u?? i thought the 750u is the higher-end model with a few more features between the 2?? also, is pq the same for both or 1 is better than the other?? please chime in. thanks!!

EDIT just went through some of the older pages and found the answer to some of my questions. so do you guys think the prices for the 700/750's will drop significantly when the 800/850's come out??
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Originally Posted by flavaj View Post

hi all,

i've been indecisive in terms of purchasing the sony 52" xbr4 lcd or panny 50" 700u/750u plasma. after going to bb, cc, and frys, i finally decided to get the panny after seeing for myself the notorious "ghosting/smearing" on the sony xbr4. so i have a couple of lingering questions. why is the 50" 700u priced almost the same, if not higher, than the 50" 750u?? i thought the 750u is the higher-end model with a few more features between the 2?? also, is pq the same for both or 1 is better than the other?? please chime in. thanks!!

EDIT just went through some of the older pages and found the answer to some of my questions. so do you guys think the prices for the 700/750's will drop significantly when the 800/850's come out??

From what I've heard here and seen, prices already have been dropping significantly in some places. I think some also have had prices actually go up. I assume that's because their inventory is low and the 800's haven't come in yet (those with significant inventory will drop prices to get inventory down before they come in... ideally selling the last one just when the new ones come in but those with low inventories will raise prices as not to run out before the replacements come in. Late is bad to sell the last one, but too soon is bad too -- kind of how plane fares can be cheaper just before flight time or can be higher).
post #9324 of 10937
Ultimate Electronics here in Wichita have raised their prices on the Panny 58PZ700U a total of $500 from their low price which occurred about 4 weeks ago. I got tired of watching the prices go up rather than down so got the set from a local AVS retail supporter. - Dang is the box big!!!
post #9325 of 10937
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Originally Posted by Sniper308 View Post

Ultimate Electronics here in Wichita have raised their prices on the Panny 58PZ700U a total of $500 from their low price which occurred about 4 weeks ago. I got tired of watching the prices go up rather than down so got the set from a local AVS retail supporter. - Dang is the box big!!!

That's because "Dang the set is big!!!!" and it has to fit inside. TV's a LOT bigger at home than it looks in the store. To me anyway. :-) Also why we paid to have it delivered rather than try to fit it in our T&C minivan (which I don't think it could).
post #9326 of 10937
That is one huge box.

We ordered ours from Panny directly and the delivery guys they used could not beleive we were going to wall mount the thing. They actually asked if we had a steel beam in the wall or something.
post #9327 of 10937
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Originally Posted by Lee L View Post

That is one huge box.

We ordered ours from Panny directly and the delivery guys they used could not beleive we were going to wall mount the thing. They actually asked if we had a steel beam in the wall or something.

Revenge is like serving cold cuts -

Tony Soprano


Yes, I wondered about the two studs and four lag bolts that hold ours to the wall (along with the 60 lbs of mount). Sure hope the designer(s) at Sanus knew their stuff. :-)


Revenge is like serving hot -

Isabella Soprano

(sorry, couldn't resist...)
post #9328 of 10937
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Originally Posted by flavaj View Post

so do you guys think the prices for the 700/750's will drop significantly when the 800/850's come out??


If there are any left . . . . . maybe. It all depends on how well-received the new series is, both technically and aesthetically.

Might be moot though; since I bought my 58/750U a month ago, the prices on it have gone UP several hundred dollars from the few remaining retailers advertising it, telling me they're disappearing from the inventory channels and demand is holding up. I think I actually bought something at the low point of the price curve for once.

This is compounded by the fact that the new 58" and 65" versions won't be available until Fall according to current info. It's looking like there will be no 58/65 Pannys available for several months once the current series sells out.

I'm perfectly happy with mine and certainly don't see significant improvement over it for several more years. Incremental at best, until newer technologies are available to improve blacks, decrease weight and power consumption and perhaps even reduce the price.

This one I keep though, until it dies. Love it.
post #9329 of 10937
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Originally Posted by I3oosted View Post

ABOUT THE VIBRATION PROBLEM:

I was having for the 2nd time my 58PZ700U serviced. The first time I did not know much about the problem and they had replaced the speakers. Made no difference.

2nd time after much research, on this thread, there was a guy with a PN for a bag of bolts to bolt the speakers down and this had solved his problem. This was accepted through Panasonic I assume with out warranty being voided.

I receive a call from a women who is the plasma specialist for West of the Mississippi(big wig). She would not authorize the bolts to be used and said it would void the warranty and has never heard such a thing. She said a remedy for this problem which has been met with 'GREAT ENTHUSIASUM'(which tells me it's been acknowledged and no repair bulletin will be made) was a Panasonic surround sound system shipped free to my door and for me to turn of the TV speakers when it was set up or she would refund my money.

Now at LEAST Panasonic is willing to do something for me and not leaving me high and dry. I just can't get over how a 3k+(B&M 5k+) TV could have this problem. Every TV I, friends, or family has ever had has never had speaker rattles.

I know with a TV like this it is almost necessary to upgrade to surround sound and I agree BUT I wanted to do it on my own time and with the equipment I wanted to use. Now I'am forced to use what Panasonic is sending me.

I like my TV a lot, this is the only problem I have had with it and I would like to keep it.

Is there not another remedy for this vibration problem? Would you be satisfied w/ Panasonics resolution and why?




OK, my HTiB is here and this is what they sent me. A Panasonic PT-950 for free since I was having troubles with speaker vibration.

I'am calling Panasonic back hoping to talk to the same woman as I did before and might take her up on the offer for a full refund as this has still not solved my vibration problem if I cannot use my HTiB for TV or games with 1 AUX input. The majority of my TV watching is Sat. and then xbox, movies on occasion.
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I have been working with an internet vendor on an order I placed a month ago. I originally ordered the 50PZ700U .I called them today and they said that item is still back ordered. They mentioned that they would be willing to sell me the 50PZ80U for an additional 75 to my order. They told me that the PZ700U is currently a discontinued model and it's direct replacement is the PZ80U. Panasonic has confirmed this. What I can't get is that there are no reviews or information on the new anti glare screen. All the other specs minus the sound seem to be superior.

1000000 hours
3 hdmi ports


However , power consumption and screen height is less. There are also is no woofer on this model only left and right speakers. Although speakers don't really matter to me since I will be using a 6.1 system.Should I wait or take the deal? I am a little hesitant to take it since this model just shipped and there are no reviews on it yet. But , I can't wait any longer . I placed this order over president's day. I am thinking about cancelling and going with another vendor. Panasonic and the internet vendor said that the anti reflective screen is an improvement over the 77U that was released earlier this year. What I couldn't get info on is whether the screen is dull like an LCD. I have heard alot of complaints from users on this forum that the anti reflective screen on the PZ77U somewhat makes the picture less appealing to the 700u. Any advice or info on the PZ80u would be greatly appreciated.

Here is panasonic's product comparison between PZ700U,PZ77U, and the PZ80U.

http://www2.panasonic.com/webapp/wcs...112102|177930|
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