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Wow, just wow. This shot:
http://www.eportant.com/images/DSC02309.JPG Looks better than anything I've seen on the DIY forum and even better than some of the pics I've seen of the xscreen and other "daytime" screens.
Thanks for posting all the pictures..
I could not disagree more. You obviously haven't seen all that many, I'd guess.. And there isn't much variety to see in the above images either. Basically speaking, a real rebuttal cannot be made here against the above statement without the corresponding images, and then all that would amount to would be a Mfg. vs DIY "Tit for Tat" on a Forum dedicated to Mfg's That the Sony would suffer a decided "all around" defeat seems highly probable though due to any/all of the following issues/points.
A. The film images chosen are only those of bright scenes that contain almost no blacks levels, only punchy colors. On Dynamic Mode.
B. The PJ being used is a 1300 lumen PJ in Dynamic Mode ( ...and it's color skewing shows it too....AIVA notwithstanding.*) Using every bit of those 1300 lumens AND tweaking the Gamma and such amounts to running the PJ at 100 mph.
C. Clearly seen is how even those images lose quality and detail when hit by any real degree of ambient light. The reddish-brown tone from the incandesents jumps right up in there.
D. The only "reference" shot (leeloo on the wall) shows no real contrast at all. Hurts to even look at 'em.
E. The only purposefullness for using the Dynaclear at all goes flying south once the lights are turned off, so "Dark Shots" don't really help it's case. Besides, the screen's poor color rendition even in the dark (...at least as shown in these photos....) makes it unsuitable for any decerning viewer who has seen and lived with better image quality.
*The only real and effective example would be a series of shots taken at Factory color and iris settings, first non-calibrated, then calibrated to D65 as you could get. At NORMAL Lamp mode....in the Dark and the Light.
[quote=dssbuys;12006299]Re: Night... the easy answer is "even better"
I will try to take some pics tonight of the same content... At this point I have the dynamic and cinema mode calibrated (with AVIA) for both day and night scenarios. The biggest different is that daytime I have to run the projector in high lamp mode, and at night low is fine (I also tweaked brightness, contrast, gamma and black level). [quote]
That info should be included .....it might speak volumes.
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Of course as you can see, the room everything is in is far from perfect... from no light control to light colored walls, ceiling and floor. I will eventually move everything downstairs to a dedicated 21x13 room where I can color the walls, floor and ceiling to my liking.
dssbuys is to be credited for "Telling it as it is" even though the representations are slanted toward helping the Sonly look as good as possible.
In DIY we don't/can't do that, or we would suffer the humiliation of having such held up as being necessary to deliver screen shots that at least one can be proud to show. Claims of "putting one's finger on the scale" would be hurled and basically, if that had ever been the case, DIY would have gone down as a freckless endeavour long ago.
Which of course brings up the relevancy of the darn Screenies as a criteria by which to judge a screen's performance in real life by anyway.
dssbuys's camera or his usuage thereof might be at least partly responsible for some of the example's above, but when one considers that the Sony PJ is being used in the required manner by which it offsets the screen's gross attenuation of light, so that it can deliver a degree of color vibrancy in a ambient light setting (...but not real contrast enhancement obviously...) then all in all it shows itself up as being the end result of a marketing effort by a 800lb Gorrilla.
A real "Black Bannana" of a screen that hold a surprise when bitten into.
So to mitigate such comments let me state that
dssbuys tried awfully hard to deliver a decent review, and I know he's to be commended for such an effort. But the shown results would be/are misleading (see NickB's and BassTek's replies...) and actually cannot possibly show the screen in it best "light". If a Panasonic AX100u was used....in normal Lamp Mode, calibrated to D65, and that Leeloo shot was presented, what a difference one would see.
But more lumens, correctly delivered is exactly what the current Sony Black Screen (DynaClear) and it's former missbegotten Ancestor (ChromaView) need to even catch up to a well set up HCCV Gray Screen.
Fair is Fair, and to be fair to one's self, one would be best served visiting the entire "Ambient Light Screen" equation and carefully wieghing in all the elements that go into, and are absolutely necessary to obtain the results in ambient light settings that one can/should be proud of.
dssbuys, I appreciate your effort, as do other's, so please don't take offense at the "nit-pickin' ". The AL issue strikes close to home with me, and everyone needs to know "the Skinny". Brush up on your selection of applicable content, NEVER try taking any shot that is not in "Stop Motion" unless your mighty-mighty with that Digicam, and don't try to make conditions ideal simply for the benefit of giving any screen a leg up.
(...although I know the Sony DC need's 'em...and suggests such...) The results shown when a screen is actually put upon are the results everyone needs to see.
