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post #31 of 291
Fantastic news about the Director's cut, and that the PQ is excellent. The differences don't seem to be huge anyway. Living in PAL land, the speed-up doesn't bother me but good news that it is improved. Thanks very much for putting in the effort.
post #32 of 291
6.1? Even matrixed?

Steve W
post #33 of 291
Thread Starter 
Xpouyat,

as one of my latest posts indicates, I agree with you concerning the absence of subs. on the director's cut. But are you really 100% sure the pitch is correct? I tested and retested it many times, and I still hear a difference with the American releases. As I said, this difference is really slight, but I do notice it nonetheless. Did you compare the SC release with the American BD?
I am not saying you are wrong, I am just trying to understand the basis for your statement and I am also trying to reconcile it with what my ears tell me! And, anyway, thanks for your input.
post #34 of 291
Hi Honey1,

It is based on both feedback from the technical production team and comparison with BD version I did. I didn't notice a difference, but I don't say you are wrong After all, the productions of US BD release and StudioCanal HDDVD are quite different. Also, please note you'll find the theatrical version on the BD disc and the director's cut version on StudioCanal HD DVD. So the audio sources masters are different. That's perhaps explaining.
post #35 of 291
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Hi again Xpouyat,

and thanks for your detailed answer. Actually, I felt the pitch of the audio was higher than the American BD for both cuts offered by the SC release. The strange thing is, I know that the SC people are aware of the pitch problem of some of their earlier releases, and I know they have tried to avoid duplicating the same problem. And indeed, it sounds to me the pitch on this T2 release is essentially correct, but not completely so! So, let us react as scientists (or as Mr. Spock, if you prefer). There are only three possibilities: 1. I am getting mad, my ears are deceiving me and the pitch of the SC release is perfectly correct. 2. I am right. Then, what went wrong at SC? 3. The pitch of the BD is too low! I feel we'll need some more input to find out what the correct explanation is.

By the way, I never understood precisely what went wrong with the earlier SC releases which had too high a pitch? Do you know? Can you explain it and/or provide a link to a clear explanation?

Again, thanks for the interesting input and discussion!
post #36 of 291
I take it you can't override the forced subtitles in the player's setup and turn them off?
post #37 of 291
I'm waiting till more people get this release before buying into it. I want to be 100% sure the pitch problem is not there.

I'm definitely curious about Traffic, though.
post #38 of 291
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Originally Posted by xpouyat View Post

Don't worry. Honey1 tested the France-only disc (T2 theatrical version).

In France and other countries, there will be another disc that contains the T2 director's cut version. On this disc, subtitles are not forced as the disc will be available in UK.
Also, T2 audio pitch is correct for both discs.

So then, the bottom line is that we here in North America need not worry about the soon-to-be-released "T2"?

-Murray
post #39 of 291
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Originally Posted by ocd_guy View Post

So then, the bottom line is that we here in North America need not worry about the soon-to-be-released "T2"?

-Murray


the only thing to worry about would be the pitch problem. i was planning on pre-ordering this, but i will wait til more reviews come in and we get the whole pitch issue figured out.
post #40 of 291
I guess we'll know for sure in 21 days
post #41 of 291
Thread Starter 
So sum it up:

1. The director's cut has no forced French or Dutch subtitles.
2. I think there is a pitch offset on both cuts; my ears notice it, but I feel it as very small (i.e. much smaller than the pitch offset on, say, BA or FB). Moreover, if you follow Xpouyat, I am wrong and you can safely order the SC release.
3. Conclusion: If I lived in North America, I would wait to see if the pitch offset is confirmed or not.

Let me ask and this post by asking this provocative (and perhaps stupid) question: Is there any chance that the American BD itself has a pitch offset?
post #42 of 291
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Originally Posted by Honey1 View Post

So sum it up:

1. The director's cut has no forced French or Dutch subtitles.
2. I think there is a pitch offset on both cuts; my ears notice it, but I feel it as very small (i.e. much smaller than the pitch offset on, say, BA or FB). Moreover, if you follow Xpouyat, I am wrong and you can safely order the SC release.
3. Conclusion: If I lived in North America, I would wait to see if the pitch offset is confirmed or not.

Let me ask and this post by asking this provocative (and perhaps stupid) question: Is there any chance that the American BD itself has a pitch offset?

If you hear the pitch issue, it's there. Don't let others tell you it's not there (especially if they're from a country where Pal speed-up causes the same pitch issue for all American movies.)

I remember when the issue first came to light - back when we started getting the first wave of French imports. All sorts of naysayers came out of the woodwork, claiming that there was no issue and that if there was an issue, it wasn't noticeable and took nothing away from the presentation. They are just as wrong now as they were then.
post #43 of 291
Bummer. I was really looking forward to the T2 release. I will hold off until I get confirmation on the pitch speed up.
post #44 of 291
Clearly, SC just doesn't care. They don't care about hard subs and they don't care about pitch. Is there any other explanation that several months after the pitch problem emerged and they were made aware of it, it is still a part of new releases?

And who thought it would be a brilliant idea for HD DVD to make subs permenant? Nobody in France can speak english? BS! I've been there! Paris is a total tourist trap for english speakers so all the merchants speak english!

If these kinds of quality control issues, like with the 360, the combos, etc aren't fixed soon, HD DVD is circling the bowl. There's just no excuse for this garbage over a year into the format's life.
post #45 of 291
Is the picture quality similar between the theatrical and extended cuts of T2?
post #46 of 291
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Originally Posted by danieledmunds View Post

I guess we'll know for sure in 21 days

Or 11 days...depending on your math.
post #47 of 291
Thread Starter 
You may be right Steeb, and thanks for the support! But I prefer being prudent and questioning myself too much to being overly confident. Especially if/when others are gonna base their decisions about buying something at least partly on my opinion.
post #48 of 291
Thread Starter 
I feel the PQ of the director's cut to be slightly inferior to the PQ of the theatrical cut. But the difference is really marginal. Both seem to me slightly superior to the PQ of the BD.
post #49 of 291
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Originally Posted by Fettastic View Post

If these kinds of quality control issues, like with the 360, the combos, etc aren't fixed soon, HD DVD is circling the bowl. There's just no excuse for this garbage over a year into the format's life.

You're in the vast minority in thinking that the 360 add-on has "quality control issues." It's cute how you slipped it in there though to try to make your point stronger.

What, the time you made the post about the add-on being garbage, and everyone saying you were wrong wasn't enough for you?
post #50 of 291
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Originally Posted by TV Casualty View Post

You're in the vast minority in thinking that the 360 add-on has "quality control issues." It's cute how you slipped it in there though to try to make your point stronger.

What, the time you made the post about the add-on being garbage, and everyone saying you were wrong wasn't enough for you?

DVE doesn't work on 360:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=836787

50% of 360 owners can't play Children of Men:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=838130

HD SCape Sampler doesn't play on 360:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=838829

The Good Sheperd doesn't play on 360:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=828457

XBOX 360 has audio synch issues:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=842406

XBOX 360 doesn't play The Departed:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=818379

Discovery Atlas won't play on XBOX 360
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=797456

Earth Wind & Fire won't play on XBOX 360:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=800980

Live connection screwing up HD DVD playback:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=797722

Clerks II won't play on XBOX 360:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=789735

U-Control problems on XBOX 360:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=763851

XBOX 360 can't read other media:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=839650

XBOX 360 incapable of 5.1 TrueHD:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=816995

XBOX 360 "night mode" ruins audio:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=828278

XBOX 360 VGA cable screws up settings:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=827343

What, all this isn't enough for you?
post #51 of 291
I am not surprised to hear the pitch issue has not been resolved. It won't be. And that means I won't be buying any Studio Canal releases. Oh well. Moving on to other things...
post #52 of 291
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Originally Posted by TV Casualty View Post

You're in the vast minority in thinking that the 360 add-on has "quality control issues."

I'm sorry, I don't mean to interject, but how can a minority be vast?
post #53 of 291
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I'm sorry, I don't mean to interject, but how can a minority be vast?

same way a shrimp can be jumbo
post #54 of 291
Good one!
post #55 of 291
most of the titles that are listed above on the "will not play on 360" list I own AND play JUST FINE in mine. and there appears to be no sync issues with my 360 as of yet.
I'm an online editor and I'm VERY sensitive to sync issues.
Maybe I got lucky.
Maybe I could point to a million links claiming any consumer good is crapola.

Most people come to AVS when they have problems with their gear. So ou will always see a very disproportionated % of people who have issues here.
Well...tech issues anyways.
If those percentages were right - the product wouldn't have lasted a month. You'll see the same dang thing on any section of the forum here -especially the display section. Enough so to make you think everything is crap.
post #56 of 291
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Originally Posted by Fettastic View Post

Having an HD DVD player that can't play TrueHD, several discs, screws up when on live, screws up your settings, doesn't correctly handle the features and has major sound issues...that's something different entirely. Hence my label "garbage".

If you just don't care about the sound and are lucky enough that every disc you have bought has played, then that's great.

You sound like a troll. "Lucky enough" that it worked right? That's hilarious. Sorry but I think I need to see more of a sample size than a bunch of internet message board threads (which are traditionally, and typically, populated by chronic complainers than an accurate reading of whether or not a product is "good" or not) that there's really a widespread issue with the 360 drive.

Because, frankly, there isn't. I owned it and it worked great -- never had a problem with DOZENS of films I watched in terms of playing back the movie or the features on it. Never had a problem with sync. Never had a problem with Live. Never had a problem screwing with ANY settings.

Why do you believe a "majority" of consumers have a problem? Because if there really were, there would be dozens upon dozens of articles in actual publications and websites talking about widespread issues....not just a group of message board threads from a handful of people.

FYI -- there are lots of threads that start with "XXX movie doesn't play on XXX player" when in fact just because one person has a problem doesn't mean EVERYONE does, which seems to be how your logic works.

Sure, there are limitations in the sound department, but EVERYONE knew that ahead of time. That doesn't mean it's "Garbage."

It is what it is. And it doesn't cost nearly as much (or didn't at the time) as a standalone player. Seems like some people in certain corners want to trash it as if it's a piece of youknowwhat, and you're entitled to do so, even if you look like a fool in the process.
post #57 of 291
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Originally Posted by Vipper IV View Post

I take it you can't override the forced subtitles in the player's setup and turn them off?

Anyone? Bueller?
post #58 of 291
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Originally Posted by DM2006RI View Post

You sound like a troll. "Lucky enough" that it worked right? Sorry but I think I need to see more of a sample size than a bunch of internet message board threads (which are traditionally, and typically, populated by chronic complainers than an accurate reading of whether or not a product is "good" or not) that there's really a widespread issue with the 360 drive.

Because, frankly, there isn't. I owned it and it worked great -- never had a problem with DOZENS of films I watched in terms of playing back the movie or the features on it. (FYI -- there are lots of threads that start with "XXX movie doesn't play on XXX player" when in fact just because one person has a problem doesn't mean EVERYONE does, which seems to be how your logic works).

Sure, there are limitations in the sound department, but EVERYONE knew that ahead of time. That doesn't mean it's "Garbage."

It is what it is. And it doesn't cost nearly as much (or didn't at the time) as a standalone player. Seems like some people in corners on this website seem to want to trash it as if it's a piece of youknowwhat, and you're entitled to do so, even if you look like a fool in the process.

So you HAD one? And you GOT RID OF IT? Hmmmmmm, was that because it was the amazing machine you make it out to be or because you BOUGHT SOMETHING BETTER?

Just so we're clear, I don't have a 360, never had one and never wanted one. I have an A1 and have never had any of the issues in those links. Of course I never got some of those discs either.

I would certainly not declare that there is no problem with A1s because I haven't had some specific issues with it.

And I don't recall Microsoft saying there would be ANY of these problems prior to release, even downmixed TrueHD. Does it say "2.0 TrueHD only" on the box?

There are CLEAR problems with the 360 add-on, new problems that crop up and old problems that haven't been fixed. MANY more problems that are present with the Toshiba players, which is probably why you upgraded.
post #59 of 291
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so you HAD one? And you GOT RID OF IT? Hmmmmmm, was that because it was the amazing machine you make it out to be or because you BOUGHT SOMETHING BETTER?

When did I ever say it was "amazing"?

I said "IT IS WHAT IT IS," which is a add-on that is significantly LOWER PRICED than a standalone machine.

I said it had "LIMITATIONS" in the sound department.

Yes, I opted to upgrade to a standalone player, but the 360 drive worked great for me for the budget I had at the time. Saw no reason to keep it when I could make most of my cash back and put it towards a full HD-DVD player.

It's funny how you never even used one, and yet you make these huge pronouncements that EVERYONE is having problems with it. That's not the case, and the people who do are in a definite minority IMO. It's no more buggy than any other Blu Ray or HD-DVD player on the market as far as I can tell. And right now not everyone wants to go out and spend more than $199 on either one of these formats, so for those consumers it is a solid compromise -- with sound limitations, as I wrote the first time.

As far as the new "daily discoveries" go, just because Bob in Des Moines started a thread saying he can't play THE GOOD SHEPHERD doesn't mean the rest of us can't.
post #60 of 291
We need screenshots! Tons of screenshots of T2 HD DVD awesomeness!
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