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post #361 of 398
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Originally Posted by Scott Simonian View Post

They are both very capable subwoofers. I like them both and for different reasons. Having no personal experience with the Maelstrom X I can't say much about its "sonic signature" although it does model very well. Probably my very first choice for a subwoofer if I went sealed.

Gotta love the overall sexiness of the RLp. Smooth, black anodized aluminum cone. Tall rubber surround, oh, I love those. Very well built. Can take lots of power and it dissipates heat very well.

Seriously. I think I'll just try it sealed instead of the Maelstrom or try to keep the ported fridge. It just looks so awesome.
post #362 of 398
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Sure. Why not? Wood is cheap and a sealed box for the RLp couldn't take more than one sheet of MDF.

When Sherv had updated us all on his setup with everything sealed I did take a few minutes to think about how that would work out for me. In my case, I wouldnt see any benefit from going sealed. I can easily fit a tall tube where a 24" cube could go so I am staying vented for the time being...

You might like yours sealed, or maybe not. It definitely won't belt out the same SPL down low but you can dump more power into it.

On a side note: I recently turned up my sub +3db for everything. For some reason, I never got it to sound right like that. Too much bass before. Now, suddenly (EQ change, new screen maybe?) it sounds really good. Am afraid to try WotW or the Haunting with these settings. Although if I do I will give any new impressions.
post #363 of 398
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5.4 Earthquake hits Los Angeles today. Strangely, the source was from central California.



Oh snap!

post #364 of 398
It was actually me and my friend moving the old enclosure out of my listening room.


If anyone wants the box, come and get it. I neeed it gone..
post #365 of 398
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Hmmm. I just can't justify myself driving all the way down there for an extra 3dB's. Spezzy, make it 6dB's and I'll take em' from your hands.
post #366 of 398
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5.4 Earthquake hits Los Angeles today. Strangely, the source was from central California.

[IM]http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j207/tehbigshow/newcorner.jpg[/IMG]

Oh snap!



awwww.....they are cute
post #367 of 398
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awwww.....they are cute

They sure are! Rockin' them with 'Hello Kitty' paint jobs now. Hard to see with the screen in the way, though...

post #368 of 398
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Mega bumpage time!

Look what arrived at my front door this week.








Bought these used from user tjambro over at HTS. Same RLpd4's that I have. Plan is to use all four for a quad sealed setup. Still need to build the cabs and get another amp though...

The journey begins.... again.
post #369 of 398
*drool*

You're a bad influence on me, Scott, you know that?

The RL-P18 is such a gorgeous driver. I love the aluminum cone and the six spoke frame and the tall rubber surround. No regrets on this end, that's for sure.
post #370 of 398
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Look what arrived at my front door this week.

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The journey begins.... again.

Uh Oh!! Scott's going to give it a try This is going to be fun! Are you really going quad right-off the bat though!
post #371 of 398
well... what happened? did he build the new box or what?
post #372 of 398
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Nope. Serious lag-time on switching these to quad sealed. At some point I decided it would be a wonderful idea to go quad sealed once I finish my new speakers. These projects have snowballed into a whole umbrella of projects that I will do all at the same time. Feels like it has been forever.

Made some serious progress this summer. Getting so close now, I can taste it.

Do you have interest in LLT's? Kind of surprised to see my thread get bumped. Discussion on them died a long time ago. Not that I have any objections though.
post #373 of 398
maybe as some sort of post mortem, you could share the thinking/reasoning behind your decision to abandon your earthquake creators in favor of four sealed subs.

lots of folks may be confused by your decision.
post #374 of 398
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My decision to move to quad sealed is mostly because I wanted to have a more "manageable" subwoofer system AND more bass. My HT room is quite small and I crammed some HUGE subwoofers in it. Because of the layout of the room/furniture I have little options for sub placement. I've tried to think of creative ways to place these huge cabs around the room and it just isn't going to possible in any realistic way.

EDIT: If I were to have a larger room, the sealed set up would probably never occur. The performance from the LLT's is hard to beat in every regard. I would love to have two more of these LLT's if I had more room to work with.

I would say that this is about 75% or more of the decision to switch is because of this.

Other gains come from traits inherent to the sealed alignment. Not that I had to now but I will REALLY not have to worry about a high pass filter or bottoming or anything with sealed. Will be interesting to see if I can get good response down to 5hz.

Definitely NOT the best choice for those with a tight bank account (also why it's taking me so long to do) but this was the next best step up for me.


If there is anything else that anyone would like to know or ask, shoot me a line or post in here. I welcome any discussion.
post #375 of 398
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..My decision to move to quad sealed is ...

whoa! I know I've been missing in action, but when did this happen?

Either way, welcome to the club! Does that mean you are now in the bossobass camp instead of the Callas camp?
post #376 of 398
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whoa! I know I've been missing in action, but when did this happen?

Either way, welcome to the club! Does that mean you are now in the bossobass camp instead of the Callas camp?

It's been in the works for some time. I've mentioned it here and there all over in this section. Should have been done with a long time ago but I thought I would lump it in together with some new speakers and that is what has been holding up everything. Things are coming together now though so... yeah.

I don't agree at all with all the SteveC hate around here that came about a couple years ago. He knows his stuff and I agree with many of his virtues on vented designs. Really wish he still posted here. Yet at the same time I very much agree with Bosso's view on sealed designs and want to give them a shot. I have 'been there, done that' with vented now and with nowhere else to push these alignments ... I'd thought I'd give sealed a try. I have never owned a sealed subwoofer system so it should be pretty darn interesting to see how it all turns out and if I even like it.

Damn good to see you are still around, Sherv. Hope you and your family are recovering alright from the water damage.
post #377 of 398
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Either way, welcome to the club! Does that mean you are now in the bossobass camp instead of the Callas camp?

lmao, thats funny....now its bosso vs Danley
post #378 of 398
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Originally Posted by Scott Simonian View Post

5.4 Earthquake hits Los Angeles today. Strangely, the source was from central California.



Oh snap!


Since this thread has been bumped, I will go ahead and post. Really like the Bose speaker next to the sub. At least size wise it looks that way. You need to hurry up with your new speakers. Your current mains have an inferiority complex.
post #379 of 398
"I don't agree at all with all the SteveC hate around here that came about a couple years ago."

a big part of it was because he was wed to a single design and poopooed everything else. same with bosso now.

mr. danley never said his design was universally optimal. he asked some folks what they would like and built a cab that delivered on that.

i kind of wish that we could get away from the "one is universally better than the other" type discussions. different folks have different goals and are willing to make different tradeoffs.

and scott, how on god's good earth are you going to be able to create a sealed configuration that will keep pace with your new mains? won't you need about 4 sealed subs to keep up with *each* main? pretty soon your room will look like TheEar's. not that that is a bad thing...:-)
post #380 of 398
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Originally Posted by mjg100 View Post

Since this thread has been bumped, I will go ahead and post. Really like the Bose speaker next to the sub. At least size wise it looks that way. You need to hurry up with your new speakers. Your current mains have an inferiority complex.

Heheheh. That they do! That they do...

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"I don't agree at all with all the SteveC hate around here that came about a couple years ago."

a big part of it was because he was wed to a single design and poopooed everything else. same with bosso now.

mr. danley never said his design was universally optimal. he asked some folks what they would like and built a cab that delivered on that.

i kind of wish that we could get away from the "one is universally better than the other" type discussions. different folks have different goals and are willing to make different tradeoffs.

and scott, how on god's good earth are you going to be able to create a sealed configuration that will keep pace with your new mains? won't you need about 4 sealed subs to keep up with *each* main? pretty soon your room will look like TheEar's. not that that is a bad thing...:-)

Maaaannnnn, I have no clue. Preferrably, there WOULD be quad 18's per main but that just aint gonna work for me and my pocketbook. Not sure how I'd fit it all in here anyway.

Not sure I need to have the LFE system be so much more capable than these mains. I mean, obviously that would be the point but when quad 18's sealed can do in excess of 120dB's at 20hz... how much more do I need? Maybe a crap ton! I have no idea yet. I mean, I still have gas in the tank with my dual LLT's. It's just that I am not happy with the mains I have now and they cannot keep up with the subwoofer system.

Having mains that can exceed the capability of my subwoofer system may be what I needed all along. Maybe I won't even need quad subs. I don't push reference level often (granted its because my speakers limit out when approaching this level...) but maybe I will more often when I have capable speakers.

Just going to trust my gut that this system will kick ass either way I go.

Btw, I may even get another two RLp18's if Sound Splinter can get around to having them manufactured again.
post #381 of 398
"Having mains that can exceed the capability of my subwoofer system may be what I needed all along."

nah, you just need a system that can hit your performance goals.

i bet you'll be happy if you can put sufficient power on your new mains.

the big ported subs should do just fine. maybe cross the show at 50hz or so.
post #382 of 398
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Got bored today and played around with my OmniMic system, which is awesome btw. Totally forgot to ever measure my damn twins with it. Lol! redface.gif

Here is the system FR with no EQ:

FRscottLLTnoEQ.jpg

It flattens up with a single filter on the BFD except for that dip in the upper 40's. Most likely room/listening position related. EDIT: Sorry, that was left at 1/6 smoothing.

Here is another with the single filter engaged on the BFD and 1/12 smoothing.

FRscottLLTEQ112smooth.jpg

And distortion plot for s**ts and giggles. IIRC, the red is 2nd and the purple is 3rd. Looks pretty good to me. smile.gif

DISTscottLLTnoEQ.jpg


Ahhh....good ol' necro post. Carry on. tongue.gif
Edited by Scott Simonian - 7/3/12 at 8:51pm
post #383 of 398
i know that 50hz dip is bugging you more than me, so i won't say anything about it. :-)
post #384 of 398
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Lol, yeah. tongue.gif

More than likely could be fixed with an extra sub or two placed in some other spots in the room but... that will come later down the road.

Things might look a bit different soon enough. biggrin.gif
post #385 of 398
given what you are planning, you still might end up with some sort of suckout based on room dimensions that can be fixed with absorption. i was going to say we'll cross that bridge when we come to it, but you will be dropping so many nukes that there probably won't be any bridges left. :-)
post #386 of 398
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Originally Posted by Scott Simonian View Post

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Got bored today and played around with my OmniMic system, which is awesome btw. Totally forgot to ever measure my damn twins with it. Lol! redface.gif
Here is the system FR with no EQ:
FRscottLLTnoEQ.jpg
It flattens up with a single filter on the BFD except for that dip in the upper 40's. Most likely room/listening position related. EDIT: Sorry, that was left at 1/6 smoothing.
Here is another with the single filter engaged on the BFD and 1/12 smoothing.
FRscottLLTEQ112smooth.jpg
And distortion plot for s**ts and giggles. IIRC, the red is 2nd and the purple is 3rd. Looks pretty good to me. smile.gif
DISTscottLLTnoEQ.jpg
Ahhh....good ol' necro post. Carry on. tongue.gif

You need to run that distortion curve at more than that SPL. How about 100dB and 110dB distortion sweeps?

I should be measuring my rig this weekend with my new CSLabs calibrated mic and the new REW that does distortion curves so I can see what I am getting without having to do individual tones....should be revealing.

BTW - don't suckouts SUCK?

JSS
post #387 of 398
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Yes....yes they DO suck. tongue.gif

I'll see about running some more tests on them later this week. This was just me fooling around and getting aquainted with the Omnimic system, really.
post #388 of 398
This tired old thread still floating around the ether? biggrin.gif

Sorry to hear about all of the sucking going on there. What are your room dims Scott? I forget. Don't feel bad I have dealt with a major suckout at 30Hz for years.
post #389 of 398
Jesus man, I had no idea you were talking about going to quads back in 08/09... Been a long time coming for this project. Can't wait to watch something in there once you're done. Just have to decide what. At the rate this is going, DKR will probably be out on BR and we can watch that. biggrin.gif

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post #390 of 398
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This tired old thread still floating around the ether? biggrin.gif
Sorry to hear about all of the sucking going on there. What are your room dims Scott? I forget. Don't feel bad I have dealt with a major suckout at 30Hz for years.

Yeaaaahhh... tongue.gif

The rough dimensions of the room are ~10ftwide (with the room ~11ft wide at the front where the speakers/subs/screen are) x 19ft long (not counting the closest in the back) x 9.5ft tall. Approximate cubic footage is a pinch over 2,000cuft or very similar to the total size of MKtheater's room.

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Jesus man, I had no idea you were talking about going to quads back in 08/09... Been a long time coming for this project. Can't wait to watch something in there once you're done. Just have to decide what. At the rate this is going, DKR will probably be out on BR and we can watch that. biggrin.gif
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Heh, no kidding. Let's just hope not, k?

And hey... what are you doing on AVS all of a sudden? tongue.gif
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