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post #211 of 486
After looking, reading and looking again, I am going to have the Mitz 65733, Tosh A20 and Direct TV up and running next Saturday! Can not wait to set in my LazyBoy and see this new world!
post #212 of 486
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Originally Posted by Ronder View Post

After looking, reading and looking again, I am going to have the Mitz 65733, Tosh A20 and Direct TV up and running next Saturday! Can not wait to set in my LazyBoy and see this new world!


You might want to go with the XA2 as the A20 does not properly do 2:3 pulldown for 1080i/p. For more details, search for "Toshiba A20" there are several posts to the technical details.
post #213 of 486
When can we expect to see the 73833 hitting stores?

I would like to give it a look as I am pondering the Sammy 7288w and this new Mitsubishi sounds great on paper.

I would really like to see the 120 hz.


Later
post #214 of 486
My 65733 was delivered last Monday from Crutchfield (surprisingly they had the lowest price, though it didn't last long). My first reaction was: excellent picture but terrible audio quality....and after just four days the lamp blew out. I called Mitsu at 9pm when it happened and of course they were closed, so I called Crutchfield. They immediately offered to deliver a new one and take the dead set away. Given the great PQ I said okay and am awaiting the new set. Has anyone else had this problem?? I'm wondering if the Mitsu 180w lamp has issues or if I just got a lemon. And is it just me that thinks the audio sounds like you're listening through a tin can?? Yeah I can use my home theater audio but for basic use I prefer TV.

This tv replaced a Sony 60xs955, which had the best audio I've heard from a tv (it had a built in sub) AND split screen/PIP. I know many people say split screen and PIP is a waste, but it comes in handy during sporting events and for adjusting my receiver's settings on-screen while watching something else. It's disappointing to see PIP left out of many newer TVs.
post #215 of 486
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Originally Posted by mcstltan View Post

My 65733 was delivered last Monday from Crutchfield (surprisingly they had the lowest price, though it didn't last long). My first reaction was: excellent picture but terrible audio quality....and after just four days the lamp blew out. I called Mitsu at 9pm when it happened and of course they were closed, so I called Crutchfield. They immediately offered to deliver a new one and take the dead set away. Given the great PQ I said okay and am awaiting the new set. Has anyone else had this problem?? I'm wondering if the Mitsu 180w lamp has issues or if I just got a lemon. And is it just me that thinks the audio sounds like you're listening through a tin can?? Yeah I can use my home theater audio but for basic use I prefer TV.

This tv replaced a Sony 60xs955, which had the best audio I've heard from a tv (it had a built in sub) AND split screen/PIP. I know many people say split screen and PIP is a waste, but it comes in handy during sporting events and for adjusting my receiver's settings on-screen while watching something else. It's disappointing to see PIP left out of many newer TVs.

Yes I had the same experience with sound. Exactly as you described. Sounds like sound is coming from a tin can. The pq is awesome esp. with ps3 bluray movies. Did you hear the whining sound yet from the back of the set?
post #216 of 486
Got Direct TV installed friday and the 65733 and A20 installed saturday. It is our first HD and the first impressions are-

-The WIFE and I Love the 65" in our viewing area

- Outstanding Pic on HD Sat feed (The HD golf, baseball and King Kong, were so damn good I could not believe the pic) , A20 HD DVD (Spy Games so Far) I can not see any 'issues' that others have pointed out.

- Almost pic quility on SD DVD's (Pirates of....) Looks very good, I am very happy with this, as the Wife is the 'Movie Queen' and has Lots of SD movies we can watch over again.

- Better than I thought it would be on SD TV Channels. Very watchable.

- Really no fan/color wheel noise from the TV. There is a faint sound from the A20 though, but not a problem at all.

- No issues with the sound from TV as we have Surround Sound. I fact, I think the sound is better with the 65''er. I know we get 5.1 dobly now on HD feeds, but with the Big screen, the sound sounds soooo good!

So with less than 24 hours, we are in HD Heaven

post #217 of 486
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Originally Posted by DoctorA View Post

Yes I had the same experience with sound. Exactly as you described. Sounds like sound is coming from a tin can. The pq is awesome esp. with ps3 bluray movies. Did you hear the whining sound yet from the back of the set?

I have to try hard to hear the whining sound. But my TV is actually behind the wall sitting on a homemade stand attached to the wall (all the A/V equipment is behind the wall and the drywall is cutout to expose only the TV). If I go back there the fan/color wheel noise is quite loud and completely drowns out the sound of the PS3 fan, which I thought was pretty loud when I had it set up in my living room. It's also definitely louder than my old Sony lcd rptv. But again, out front where it matters I can't hear the whine, yet.

The PQ is fantastic, but it just amazes me how bad the audio quality is. I miss the dumbo ears of the Sony.
post #218 of 486
I am asking for help in setting up my xx831 which is similar to the 733. I'd like the TV speakers to be off when I switch to an input that uses AVR for sound, ie., DVD. I have set up the AVR in NetCommand and have chosen it for the DVD player. When I switch input to DVD I ALWAYS have to push AUDIO and choose the AVR or the TV speakers stay on. Is there anyway to keep the AVR selected for an particular input? I had a xx725 and it worked this way with no problems.
post #219 of 486
I have been checking the mit 733 and comparing at best buy to the samsung's 61" bulb and LED dispalys. I have also compared it to the toshiba and JVC. One thing I am very puzzeled about and need the help of the board on. The noise level on this set is very high and the details are missing. The colors are very vibrant but the noise makes the image loose the depth. I initially thought that this was a particular problem at one set at one best buy store; however I looked at other sets at 3 different stores in the southern Ca area and they all exhibit the same problem. The sales reps even agreed with me in all three stores. They outright told me they like the samsungs over the mitsubishi. I like the price value of the mitsubishi. Have you guys done a noise/image detail comparisons. are there any adjustments. The sales rep did not know of any. I am considering the costco samsug hlt6756 . any thoughts on all the questions
post #220 of 486
My 733 arrived with the picture mode set to brilliant, the light level set to high, and the contrast jacked all the way up. It looked pretty horrible. It was really bright, but it looked grainy, light colored scenes lost all detail, dark scenes seemed washed out, etc.

However, with a little tuning - changing the pic. mode to natural, adjusting contrast, tint and color, and setting the light level to 'power save', the set looks stunning. I really don't know why they set it up so terribly from the factory!
post #221 of 486
what were your exact final adjustments. I want to try them at the store and compare to other TV's..are you having the humming problem also. which best buy did you buy from
post #222 of 486
My final adjustments won't make any difference to a TV in the store. The lighting is different in the store, they're using different source components, and so the adjustments on my set will have no relevance to how this TV will look in a Best Buy.

I have absolutely no noise issues with this tv. It is actually much quieter than my previous 50" DLP. In my previous DLP, I could always hear the color wheel spin up and then the noise would subside, in this TV I can't hear anything at all.

I bought it from a Best Buy in Orange, CA. Again, though, their floor model's picture looked pretty bad too.
post #223 of 486
I am just having a hard time making a buy decision on the mit when all I have to gage is how the picture looks at the store compared to others. The picture looks bad at the stores??
post #224 of 486
this is funny I jhad my tv deliverd thursday, i took it out of the box friday when DTV was here upgrading me to HDTV box and dish.. when they dude got done we flipped on HBO hD and king kong was on and i was blown a way(as was he).. i dialed it on experimenting with some of the settings found on this site.. i have no complaints about this tv at all. I do ahve the sound going to my reciever and straight picture to the TV via HDMI

oh yea.. one of the thing that turned me on to this set was i was not seing any of the "sparklies" in the whites..
post #225 of 486
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Originally Posted by delta1231 View Post

I am just having a hard time making a buy decision on the mit when all I have to gage is how the picture looks at the store compared to others. The picture looks bad at the stores??

I certainly understand where you're coming from. It is challenging when many stores don't take the time to do any kind of calibration on any of their sets, and most manufacturers, in an effort to make their TV's 'stand out', make the pictures so bright out of the box that they look terrible.

The only suggestions I can make are to change the 'Picture Mode' to 'Natural', take the contrast down to around the halfway mark, take the brightness down to about the halfway mark, change the color temp to 'Low', then in the Global settings area, look for the Lamp Mode, and change it from 'Bright' to 'Standard'.

Now this may not yield the 'perfect' results, but I suspect that it will look better than it looks from the factory, and hopefully give you some better indication of how this tv can look. Again, after doing some very basic calibrations at home (with Digital Video Essentials), this tv looks amazing. My fiance and my friends sometimes just sit there and say "wow" when watching things like Planet Earth in HD-DVD.
post #226 of 486
Apparently the pincushion issue has ben recognized by Mitsubishi. It concerns their 65733 and 65734 models, Mitsubishi says it will not be a problem with the diamond series. They may seriously consider a recall.

I decided not to wait and have exchanged my 65733 for a toshiba 65hn167 which
is performing beautifully. Straight lines all over and the picture is very good indeed.
post #227 of 486
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Originally Posted by rdammers View Post

Apparently the pincushion issue has ben recognized by Mitsubishi. It concerns their 65733 and 65734 models, Mitsubishi says it will not be a problem with the diamond series. They may seriously consider a recall.

I decided not to wait and have exchanged my 65733 for a toshiba 65hn167 which
is performing beautifully. Straight lines all over and the picture is very good indeed.

I have a 65731 in my gameroom that I bought a year ago and there's no pincushion issue with it. It's got one beautiful picture. But.....on Saturday I bought a 57733 for downstairs and I thought I was loosing my mind because my tv sides looked warped, the bottom sides are straight and the top sides are curved outward. Thank god I found this forum...I thought I was the only one with this problem. I'm definitedly exchanging this tv tomorrow...it's sad because the picture is beautiful but the warp is annoying. Has anyone had this problem with this model yet? I bought the TV at Conns (San Antonio) for 1299.00 Hopefully the exchanged one is going to be okay.
post #228 of 486
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Originally Posted by liltalkm View Post

When can we expect to see the 73833 hitting stores?

I would like to give it a look as I am pondering the Sammy 7288w and this new Mitsubishi sounds great on paper.

I would really like to see the 120 hz.


Later

I'm in the same boat, looking for a 70"+RPTV but I've got a depth limit of 18" so the Mitsu is the only one that fits...problem is, I've seen several 65733(&734) in stores and next to the other DLPs and even LCOS and SXRD they appear a little soft (not as much subtle detail or crisp edges on leaves, etc.)...granted this was on a mass feed at 1080i but that's a large portion of what HD programming is. Anyone else have this same experience? Is it just bad internal deinterlacing and clears up with a 1080P feed? Will the Diamond series be sharper? Thanks for any advice.
post #229 of 486
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Originally Posted by rdammers View Post

Apparently the pincushion issue has ben recognized by Mitsubishi. It concerns their 65733 and 65734 models, Mitsubishi says it will not be a problem with the diamond series. They may seriously consider a recall.

I decided not to wait and have exchanged my 65733 for a toshiba 65hn167 which
is performing beautifully. Straight lines all over and the picture is very good indeed.

If that's true, would make sense why the prices were dropping so fast... 1 1/2 months ago 65733 was at $2999 now it's at $2199 while the tosh remained at same price.
post #230 of 486
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Originally Posted by rdammers View Post

Apparently the pincushion issue has ben recognized by Mitsubishi. It concerns their 65733 and 65734 models, Mitsubishi says it will not be a problem with the diamond series. They may seriously consider a recall.

I decided not to wait and have exchanged my 65733 for a toshiba 65hn167 which
is performing beautifully. Straight lines all over and the picture is very good indeed.

I hope you are right about the geometry problem not being present in the Diamond series. I plan on getting the 65833 as soon as it is released. Can you tell me your source for the information? Thanks.
post #231 of 486
According to the service manual for the 733/734/833 there is electrical geometry adjustment.
So geometry should be easy to adjust.
post #232 of 486
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Originally Posted by Hipnotiq View Post

According to the service manual for the 733/734/833 there is electrical geometry adjustment.
So geometry should be easy to adjust.

That is excellent news. I guess the workers on the factory assembly line need to spend a little more time tweaking that adjustment. Perhaps the higher price of the Diamond series includes a few more minutes of factory tweaking
post #233 of 486
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Originally Posted by Hipnotiq View Post

According to the service manual for the 733/734/833 there is electrical geometry adjustment.
So geometry should be easy to adjust.


Has anybody been able to get into the service menus and correct the pincushioning? I just returned my second 65733 bc of that issue (the first one had the lamp blow out after just 4 days). I'm tempted to go with the Toshiba instead but the SSE makes me nervous. I didn't make major adjustments to the sets at CC, but the SSE jumped out on the Toshiba while I had to look for it in the Mitsu and others.
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post #235 of 486
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Originally Posted by mcstltan View Post

Has anybody been able to get into the service menus and correct the pincushioning? I just returned my second 65733 bc of that issue (the first one had the lamp blow out after just 4 days). I'm tempted to go with the Toshiba instead but the SSE makes me nervous. I didn't make major adjustments to the sets at CC, but the SSE jumped out on the Toshiba while I had to look for it in the Mitsu and others.

After I returned the mits, i got the toshiba 65hm167. I did immediately notice the SSE. It was kind of annoying at first. Now it doesn't bother me. I don't look for it. I am happy with the purchase. No pincushioning problems.
post #236 of 486
anyone have any settins they would like to share for this model ?
post #237 of 486
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Originally Posted by mcstltan View Post

Has anybody been able to get into the service menus and correct the pincushioning? I just returned my second 65733 bc of that issue (the first one had the lamp blow out after just 4 days). I'm tempted to go with the Toshiba instead but the SSE makes me nervous. I didn't make major adjustments to the sets at CC, but the SSE jumped out on the Toshiba while I had to look for it in the Mitsu and others.

Got my 65733 last week. Ordered a SM pdf on ebay. My set looked good from the start , but the ' keystone geometry adjustment' really did fine turn the edges. Just press 'menu' than '2-4-5-7-0' to enter this service mode. Select MANUAL KEYSTONE GEOMETRY ALIGNMENT . The adjustment starts at the top left corner. Use the screen bezel as your guide. Left-right , up-down arrows on remote will move the adj. point. Fast forward will advance to the next point(16 altogether). After the last adj point ,if you press the fastforward key , you enter the 4:3 alignment , which is a Keystone adj via 2 verticle lines that move with each additional 'forward' hit. Keep pressing until you get the straightest lines. hit 'enter' to save . Hitting 'enter'once more brings you back again. Hit 'exit' to get out. This procedure will fix any edge distortions. I found that you will need to 'go back' in and adjust several times , as each adj point seems to affect other points. Keep doing so until all points remain in place when you scroll through.
post #238 of 486
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Originally Posted by DoctorA View Post

After I returned the mits, i got the toshiba 65hm167. I did immediately notice the SSE. It was kind of annoying at first. Now it doesn't bother me. I don't look for it. I am happy with the purchase. No pincushioning problems.

I too ended up with the Toshiba on Saturday. So far no regrets, although the remote isn't quite as good as the Mitsu. The good news is that after making normal adjustments to the pic settings the SSE is not at all an issue. Sound quality is better than the Mitsu too, while the TV turns on much quicker and switches between sources much faster. It's also a lot quieter and seems to run cooler than the 65733, so anyone worried about the fan/wheel noise will also appreciate the Toshiba. I thought I would miss the features of the Mitsu despite the geometry problems, but I definitely do not.
post #239 of 486
PPGPAUL,

I tried the service menu on my 65734. I hit menu and then only had to hit 2-4-5-7 and it took me into the service menu. I didn't need to press that last '0'. However, when I input those numbers what comes up on the screen is 'ISF', 'TVM', 'LHVPOS' with two sets of numbers 65535 and 65528 below it and then it says 'Press F1 to turn shutter 'ON/OFF'.

Where do I go/What do I do from this screen?

My pincusion isn't bad, but I thought I'd check out the adjustment anyway.
post #240 of 486
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Originally Posted by Vader View Post

PPGPAUL,

I tried the service menu on my 65734. I hit menu and then only had to hit 2-4-5-7 and it took me into the service menu. I didn't need to press that last '0'. However, when I input those numbers what comes up on the screen is 'ISF', 'TVM', 'LHVPOS' with two sets of numbers 65535 and 65528 below it and then it says 'Press F1 to turn shutter 'ON/OFF'.

Where do I go/What do I do from this screen?

My pincusion isn't bad, but I thought I'd check out the adjustment anyway.

Yes , you will get into the service menu by just using 'menu' then '2-4-5-7. By entering '0' you will arrive at the 'Manual Keystone Geometry Alignment' . This will be the third selection down on the list of adjustments. . Press the buttons 2, 4, 5, 7, pause and then press 0 (Data Selection Mode will appear)
Make your adj as indicated in the above post.
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