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How to verify that Firewire is functional?

post #1 of 65
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I'd like to record some HD programs using a D-VHS and have a Motorola DCT6200/100 Cable STB with Firmware:16.35 located in Rochester, MN using Charter Cable.

How do you verify/check that the firewire port is functional?

Thanks.
post #2 of 65
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Anybody............?
post #3 of 65
Borrow a D-VHS and try recording?
post #4 of 65
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Originally Posted by timecop View Post

Borrow a D-VHS and try recording?

I had that sense due to the absolute lack of response on this thread. Well, there is no D-VHS to borrow so I bought one from eBay and hope that it functions well.

Do you or anybody record using firewire to a JVC D-VHS 3000u? What's your procedure on doing it?

Thanks
post #5 of 65
JVC 30k is a good choice.
Assuming your ports work (and if they don't you can raise a stink with your cableco once you find out), it should work perfectly for recording.

No special procedure, insert tape, push record on remote/menu.
post #6 of 65
I own two 30K's and they will work fine if your port is active.

Your going to want to make sure you have the tuner set to I-? some number will be assigned when you hook up the cable box.

Also...your cable Co may have flags set improperly on some channels and that may cause recording problems. You will not know for sure until you get to play with the unit itself.

The nice thing about recording HD with a DVHS unit vs a computer is that you do not have to worry about 5C. Computers will not record 5C flagged channels...DVHS will take it with no problems.
post #7 of 65
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Timecop & Star56, Thanks for sharing that information.

The HTPC solution seems a little more complicated that's why I decided to go this route. IMHO, I think that it is just a matter of time before HTPC is fully mature enough (software and some hardware) to handle everything that we Audio/Video enthusiast want it to do.

There is some information in this forum suggesting that the 30k could be a little temperamental and that some people are pairing it up with a Mitsubishi D-VHS as the machine that does recording and playback. Do either of you have any info or experience on this?

I actually bought a Mitsubishi HS-HD2000u just in case this was true.
post #8 of 65
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Well, not so good news.

The Mitsubishi 2k arrived yesterday and it functions beautifully but cannot establish a connection with the port of the cable stb. It detects it and tries to get going but; no dice
post #9 of 65
A few years ago, this Forum was chock-full of STB > DVHS via IEEE 1394 threads and posts. Now, it's like a ghost town regarding that technology as you have discovered. Everybody seems to have moved on to HD-DVR's since they've become so ubiquitous and thrown their DVHS decks out in the garage. From what I've been able to gather by pulling together fragments of information here and there, the Motorola STB/DVR platform still generally has working firewire, so that's good for you. The Scientific Atlanta platform, like TWC (my provider) uses for the most part, had a software "upgrade" pushed out last August that disabled firewire. (Before that, there were confounding 5C problems that kept it from working properly.) Yes, I know that's supposed to be a violation of the FCC mandate 'n all, but the providers simply don't care. The "law" has no teeth, and no champions to enforce it. And there's no groundswell of indignation amongst the viewers anymore, either, so nothing is likely to change. They've all just moved on, for the most part, to HD-DVR's and the new HD optical formats.

It sucks for me because I've got a zillion movies I'd like to offload from my SA8300 DVR, but it won't hold a firewire lock on my JVC 40k tape deck. I make inquiries from time to time, but they just stonewall me and I never get anywhere. Good luck to you; at least with the Motorola box you've got a fighting chance. For awhile, at least.
post #10 of 65
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archiguy, You and I have the same sentiments on this topic.

I'd rather watch DVD movies rather than watch TV but HDTV programming makes it definitely more attractive for me. Recording programs is not even something that I do on a regular basis but every once in a while, there is an occassional program that I would like to record especially when I'm away from home and I want the option of being able to that in HD.

The JVC 3k has been shipped and is expected to arrive within the next few days so i'm hoping that it has better luck with communicating with this firewire port or i'll have to start bugging the cable company if this port is not active OR maybe just cancel them and get an HDTV-on-the-air tuner......save me at least $50.00/month.

I also found out that the Mitsubishi does not communicate with the firewire port of my Canon Optura 20, so it might be an issue with the Mitsu's firewire.
post #11 of 65
I think that the reason there are few discussions of DVHS is that few are trying it for the first time. Myself I have used it for 3 years and it works fine. Nothing to discuss. (However I use DVHS with a firewire OTA STB to record OTA HD.)

Rick R
post #12 of 65
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Originally Posted by Rick_R View Post

I think that the reason there are few discussions of DVHS is that few are trying it for the first time. Myself I have used it for 3 years and it works fine. Nothing to discuss. (However I use DVHS with a firewire OTA STB to record OTA HD.)

Rick R

Sure, OTA using the 2 or 3 STB's that included 1394 ports, but which have all been discontinued, is fine. The problem is that TWC, in particular, has deliberately disabled firewire at the software level on their STB's/DVR's. The SA STB's come with the appropriate hardware; it's just useless. Nobody cares anymore.
post #13 of 65
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I also found out that the Mitsubishi does not communicate with the firewire port of my Canon Optura 20, so it might be an issue with the Mitsu's firewire.

That's becausei its a DV camcorder.
Why would you expect that to work with DVHS.
It will "work" with JVC30K, but thats because it has a onboard MPEG2 encoder, which will encode Standard-Def DV to one of the LS-modes on tape (14mbit? I think and below).

Regarding firewire out on your STB, good luck
sounds like time to threaten with FCC to your cableco.
post #14 of 65
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A few years ago, this Forum was chock-full of STB > DVHS via IEEE 1394 threads and posts. Now, it's like a ghost town regarding that technology as you have discovered. Everybody seems to have moved on to HD-DVR's since they've become so ubiquitous and thrown their DVHS decks out in the garage.

Huh so everyone moved from a STORAGE media to a volatile "time shifting" media where you can't keep the material forever? Makes so much sense.
post #15 of 65
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Originally Posted by timecop View Post

That's becausei its a DV camcorder.
Why would you expect that to work with DVHS.

O.K. I repent, was that was too much to ask for....

It will "work" with JVC30K, but thats because it has a onboard MPEG2 encoder, which will encode Standard-Def DV to one of the LS-modes on tape (14mbit? I think and below).

Thanks again, that was great news.

Regarding firewire out on your STB, good luck
sounds like time to threaten with FCC to your cableco.

We'll see what happens when the JVC unit arrives. I just hope it works or it might be time to look for other alternatives like satellite or on-the-air transmissions I will post my experience.
post #16 of 65
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Originally Posted by foamfan View Post

Well, not so good news.

The Mitsubishi 2k arrived yesterday and it functions beautifully but cannot establish a connection with the port of the cable stb. It detects it and tries to get going but; no dice

Make sure you are trying to copy something that is okay to copy, like a network station. Subscription channels often (usually) don't work if you are transfering off the DVR.
post #17 of 65
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Originally Posted by timecop View Post

Huh so everyone moved from a STORAGE media to a volatile "time shifting" media where you can't keep the material forever? Makes so much sense.

Ok now you got me going.

I have a DVHS and OTA STB with firewire to record OTA in HD.

I also have a HD DVR (the Dish 622) to record OTA and satellite HD. Of course you can not save very much of this as storage is limited. So I just purchased a DVD burner that takes the s-video output of the DVR and burns a SD (but pretty good) DVD. My wife and I were watching the Dancing with the Stars final four and she said she would like to save that so I burned a DVD. It was OTA but I only DVRed it so it was too late to record it DVHS. Also several movies I DVRed also are burned to DVDs.

However, every time I burn a DVD it makes me mad that "Hollywood" is preventing me from saving it in HD. As I type this I am getting madder.

Ok, end of rant.

Rick R
post #18 of 65
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Originally Posted by Rick_R View Post


However, every time I burn a DVD it makes me mad that "Hollywood" is preventing me from saving it in HD. As I type this I am getting madder.

Ok, end of rant.

Rick R

Ah, welcome to my world Rick. I'm absolutely convinced that the crippling of firewire was demanded by the studios, and the content providers just rolled over and let them do it. It's no coincidence that the satellite companies never supported firewire (remember how DISH Network shipped their first HD-DVR's with metal tape over the firewire ports?), and just about every cable company platform that once supported firewire no longer does, with the exception of some of the motorola boxes. They must have missed that one.
post #19 of 65
Thread Starter 
We are all in the same boat and feel the same frustration but a thoughtful and calm approach is needed.
All these problems have a solution which is why we participate and pool our experiences and knowledge in forums like this. There is always a SOLUTION


Just an idea but; Is there a standalone box that will convert component video and audio to firewire output so it can be recorded in a dumb d-vhs?
post #20 of 65
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Originally Posted by foamfan View Post

We are all in the same boat and feel the same frustration but a thoughtful and calm approach is needed.
All these problems have a solution which is why we participate and pool our experiences and knowledge in forums like this. There is always a SOLUTION


Just an idea but; Is there a standalone box that will convert component video and audio to firewire output so it can be recorded in a dumb d-vhs?

I know of no box or converter.

My DVHS machines are humming along on a daily basis. Moto 6412 feeding Mits played back through my JVC's.

The latest thing I have had to deal with is that my CBSHD affiliate suddenly now has a flag set to block any computer recording. DVHS still works so my anger is limited.

I agree with the previous posters...the content Nazi's don't want anyone recording their content in HD. Firewire is the last chance we have to capture this stuff. Do it while you can
post #21 of 65
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Just an idea but; Is there a standalone box that will convert component video and audio to firewire output so it can be recorded in a dumb d-vhs?

That'll cost you ~$15k or so.
post #22 of 65
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Originally Posted by timecop View Post

That'll cost you ~$15k or so.


Will any of these units work?

http://www.synthetic-ap.com/tips/fir...onverters.html
post #23 of 65
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Originally Posted by Star56 View Post

........snip.......

I agree with the previous posters...the content Nazi's don't want anyone recording their content in HD. Firewire is the last chance we have to capture this stuff. Do it while you can


They can object all they want and throw every wrench they can in the mechanisms but they will never succeed

Just think of how music and dvd's are being used/abused by computer gurus.
I am not an advocate of this since it is a really time consuming, expensive process to get everything working right (at least for a person of my technical ineptness) and unfair to the artists.
All I want is to be able to record the occassional HD program of interest that I miss when I'm away from home and be able to play it back using a d-vhs.
post #24 of 65
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Will any of these units work?

No
post #25 of 65
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Originally Posted by timecop View Post

No

Why not?

Do they lack the internal decoder/encoder processors?


Thanks.
post #26 of 65
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Originally Posted by timecop View Post

That's becausei its a DV camcorder.
Why would you expect that to work with DVHS.
It will "work" with JVC30K, but thats because it has a onboard MPEG2 encoder, which will encode Standard-Def DV to one of the LS-modes on tape (14mbit? I think and below).

Regarding firewire out on your STB, good luck
sounds like time to threaten with FCC to your cableco.

My DV Cam will work with both my TV and my JVC 40K DVHS. I have had no problem getting an I-? assignment from my JVC for my CAM. I also have chained in my FIOS STB.

-=AE=-
post #27 of 65
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Why not?

Because none of them cost > $10,000
post #28 of 65
For starters, the firewire port has to work, by law. Search on these forums and you'll find some concrete references to it. I don't own a D-VHS but one way you can fiddle around is to simple attach a firewire cable from your STB to your computers (XP and above) and try to get it running using these drivers--instruction and drivers on this page http://replayguide.sourceforge.net/dct6412/ This could at least help you tell for sure if it's on or not.

I've read posts where some people found two firewire ports on the back of their unit, one live and one dead, so be sure to check both.
Also, be sure to set the STB to a 'network' channel (ABC, NBC, CBS) etc, to avoid any 5C problems when using a computer--this is a problem you won't have a D-VHS unit.

A side note: if you have a Mac running OSX, this all much easier and foolproof. If you have one, or access to one, just install the firewire SDK from the Apple site, and use AVCVideocap (included with the SDK) to test.
post #29 of 65
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the responses everybody.

Update time: Well the JVC 30ku arrived today but was a bad unit and after fiddling with it for an hour or two, I contacted the seller and shipped it back

Okay so how about this:
Are there any standalone boxes that will convert D-VHS tape movies from firewire to component video and optical audio out?
Explanation: The Mitsubishi can only output HD (including audio) using the firewire port , it does not have HDMI or component video output or optical audio outputs (analog only L & R) or would it just be better to run it off the JVC 30 or 40ku unit.
post #30 of 65
You will want a 30K. Probably the cheapest "standalone box"
It doesn't have to work (tape mechanism). as long as electronics / mpeg decoder part is operational.

You connect Mitsu -> 30k -> component / optical out to TV.
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