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post #1141 of 19590
5/27/07 at 1:53pm
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Originally Posted by Norse View Post

your local circuit city has 4665f on sale....I myself am going to best buy to get my difference back. lol.

Why buy online when your local store will let you take it home that second? Sure you pay sales tax, but you also have them right there if there is an issue.

circuitcity.com

Plus, if you convince the C.C. manager to do a price matching to some authorized online Samsung retailers, you could potentially save another $250-$300 off the C.C. advertised (not sticker) prices. This may still be about $100 more than what you'd pay on Amazon plus the Sale Tax, but it may be worthwhile to some (it was to me), to have the luxury of dealing with a local B&M store and no waiting.

Something to consider, hmmm?.
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post #1142 of 19590
5/27/07 at 1:57pm
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Originally Posted by komari View Post

I ordered my set from AMZN - they start counting from the day you receive thte set. At least that is what happened with me when I called them to let them know that I have experienced the known HDMI issues with the set and might want to return it. I even asked for an extension in case Samsung does come up with a fix in later batches (waiting to get official approval on the extension but will call this coming week to confirm).

I was referring to the start date of the warranty through Samsung. I think that you are referring to the actual start of your 30 days return policy. I am pretty sure that Samsung goes by the purchase date and not the delivery date, as in case of warranty claims, you must upload/fax your proof of purchase to Samsung.
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post #1143 of 19590
5/27/07 at 2:12pm
I was dead set on buying the Sony KDL-52XBR2 and then stumbled across this forum. Boy am I glad. I talked to a knowledgeable rep at Best Buy today and he said he wouldn't have one of these Sonys. It amazes me that Sony would put out a TV with these kinds of issues (ie the mura/cloud effect).

So I thought I had stumbled across the solution...the Samsung LN-T5265F. I already own two Samsung LCDs (a 32" and 40") and have had no problems with them. Then I read deeper and find out that these Samsungs are having the same mura/cloudy problem and are having other issues like this dropout problem.

Now I'm pissed....I thought I was ready to pull the trigger and build my dream system in my basement, but I'm back at square one. Bottom line guys...would you buy the LN-T5265F? Best Buy carries it on their website but not in any of the area stores so swapping it out isn't going to be as easy as driving up there if I have problems. I just can't believe that the two top dogs are putting such crap out on the market. Should I wait and pay more for the next generation hoping they don't have TBD problems, or roll the dice on the Samsung? Even though the Samsung has issues, it still seems much less prevalent than the Sonys. Even the guy at Best Buy knew about the mura effect on the Sonys but hadn't had one returned to the store yet as a result. He said he wasn't aware the Samsungs had the same issue until I showed him the pic at the beginning of this thread and all he could say was wow. Please help me out here and yes I am a newbie. Thanks!!!

Matt
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post #1144 of 19590
5/27/07 at 2:14pm
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Originally Posted by axmode View Post

I was referring to the start date of the warranty through Samsung. I think that you are referring to the actual start of your 30 days return policy. I am pretty sure that Samsung goes by the purchase date and not the delivery date, as in case of warranty claims, you must upload/fax your proof of purchase to Samsung.

Didn't realize you were referring to the manufacture's warranty - Samsung will go with the purchase date.
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post #1145 of 19590
5/27/07 at 2:20pm
Just a note to everyone. Both BB and CC have their 4665's on sale. Of course, you should take the smart route and bargain with them further using authorized internet sites that still have a lower cost, as leverage. I dropped in to both of them quickly today while I was out doing some errands. I think they had the 4661 and 4061 on sale as well. The don't carry the 52" in my marketplace, so I couldnt tell you on that. In addition, BB had 2 years same as cash.
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post #1146 of 19590
5/27/07 at 2:33pm
Amazon has what appears to be a great price on the 4065, just under $1786 including white glove delivery.

What is their policy (or Samsung's) on dead or stuck pixels? I don't suppose you could turn it on and then if you notice dead pixels, refuse delivery right there on the spot?

The manufacturer's warranty is one year parts and labor I take it?

Do these come with HDMI cables?

Any indications that Samsung will work on fixing the issues via firmware? How do you update the firmware, via USB or is user-updates even allowed without voiding the warranty?

Finally, do CC or BB even try to compete for price with Amazon?
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post #1147 of 19590
5/27/07 at 2:40pm
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Originally Posted by LSUMatt1514 View Post

I was dead set on buying the Sony KDL-52XBR2 and then stumbled across this forum. Boy am I glad. I talked to a knowledgeable rep at Best Buy today and he said he wouldn't have one of these Sonys. It amazes me that Sony would put out a TV with these kinds of issues (ie the mura/cloud effect).

So I thought I had stumbled across the solution...the Samsung LN-T5265F. I already own two Samsung LCDs (a 32" and 40") and have had no problems with them. Then I read deeper and find out that these Samsungs are having the same mura/cloudy problem and are having other issues like this dropout problem.

Now I'm pissed....I thought I was ready to pull the trigger and build my dream system in my basement, but I'm back at square one. Bottom line guys...would you buy the LN-T5265F? Best Buy carries it on their website but not in any of the area stores so swapping it out isn't going to be as easy as driving up there if I have problems. I just can't believe that the two top dogs are putting such crap out on the market. Should I wait and pay more for the next generation hoping they don't have TBD problems, or roll the dice on the Samsung? Even though the Samsung has issues, it still seems much less prevalent than the Sonys. Even the guy at Best Buy knew about the mura effect on the Sonys but hadn't had one returned to the store yet as a result. He said he wasn't aware the Samsungs had the same issue until I showed him the pic at the beginning of this thread and all he could say was wow. Please help me out here and yes I am a newbie. Thanks!!!

Matt

Matt,

I heard very, very little in the case of clouding/mura. If it is there, it must not be very evident. I have heard of people getting some clouds after changing out boards, if the tech layed it down on its face (a no no). The HDMI problems appear to be resolving with new FW/board updates, although many who have the earlier FW and Boards have had no problems.
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post #1148 of 19590
5/27/07 at 2:42pm
How bad is your motion blur while watching HD, yes I know the whole macroblocking thing which makes sense, but I've been watching a baseball game and switching the box from down stairs and upstairs, its on nesn HD, and it looks great no doubt but when just the batters are running the bases and the camera is following them, omg is the blur bad, like I couldn't even tell what was running it was terrible, now I bring it up stairs onto my old lcd projection grand wega 2 or whatever and I see a tad bit of blurring maybe, but very very minimal, nothing compared.

Please tell me my set is at fault, as i'm returning this one and getting another one hoping for a new board ( though amazon is being a pain about it) but if this is a problem with every set then I may just get a refund. I mean the TV is amazing with picture quality, AMAZING, but if every time something moves on the screen at all it blurs up thats not worth it to me, yes I mean even watching a soap opera if someone moves on the screen it blurs up a little like the face will be less detail, is this supposed to be normal? Please tell me no

Thanks,
Dave
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post #1149 of 19590
5/27/07 at 2:48pm
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Originally Posted by wco81 View Post

Amazon has what appears to be a great price on the 4065, just under $1786 including white glove delivery. What is their policy (or Samsung's) on dead or stuck pixels? I don't suppose you could turn it on and then if you notice dead pixels, refuse delivery right there on the spot?

I think that Samsung will not consider anything less than 7 pixels (like most LCD manufacturers), but not quite sure. On a true 30 days return policy, there should be no questions asked, as long as the unit is not abused/damaged.

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Originally Posted by wco81 View Post

The manufacturer's warranty is one year parts and labor I take it?

That is correct. However, if you register your set online within 10 days of purchase (not delivery), Samsung will extend the 1 year by another 90 days.

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Originally Posted by wco81 View Post

Do these come with HDMI cables?

No they do not.

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Originally Posted by wco81 View Post

Any indications that Samsung will work on fixing the issues via firmware? How do you update the firmware, via USB or is user-updates even allowed without voiding the warranty?

Indications are that Samsung is already aware of these issues and apparently the newer sets are being assembled with newer main Board and/or FW. The FW update is done through a FAT formatted USB and it does not void your warranty, as long as you use the USB drive as recommended in the owner's manual and follow proper procedure.

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Originally Posted by wco81 View Post

Finally, do CC or BB even try to compete for price with Amazon?

They will not consider Amazon. I have had great success with both of those stores competing with One Call's prices (One Call is an authorized online Samsung retailer), although I found C.C to be more of a wheeler-dealer.
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post #1150 of 19590
5/27/07 at 2:48pm
Wait, there are board differences from unit to unit?

Or board differences between the different screen sizes of this series of models?
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post #1151 of 19590
5/27/07 at 2:52pm
[quote=dpinho]...

Please tell me my set is at fault, as i'm returning this one and getting another one hoping for a new board ( though amazon is being a pain about it) but if this is a problem with every set then I may just get a refund. I mean the TV is amazing with picture quality, AMAZING, but if every time something moves on the screen at all it blurs up thats not worth it to me, yes I mean even watching a soap opera if someone moves on the screen it blurs up a little like the face will be less detail, is this supposed to be normal? Please tell me no

Thanks,
Dave[/QUOTE]

This does not sound normal. Have you calibrated your set properly according to the calibration thread or are you using the out-of-the-box settings?.
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post #1152 of 19590
5/27/07 at 2:52pm
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Originally Posted by wco81 View Post

Wait, there are board differences from unit to unit?

Or board differences between the different screen sizes of this series of models?

Both!.
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post #1153 of 19590
5/27/07 at 2:55pm
OK, thanks. Quick look on Circuit City shows $1999 for the 4065. Not bad.

I thought CNet indicated these units just came out in May? Surprised they're already changing boards but it's great if they're responsive.

All HDMI is 1.3 right, including on the 4065 model?
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post #1154 of 19590
5/27/07 at 2:55pm
[quote=axmode]
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Originally Posted by dpinho View Post

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Please tell me my set is at fault, as i'm returning this one and getting another one hoping for a new board ( though amazon is being a pain about it) but if this is a problem with every set then I may just get a refund. I mean the TV is amazing with picture quality, AMAZING, but if every time something moves on the screen at all it blurs up thats not worth it to me, yes I mean even watching a soap opera if someone moves on the screen it blurs up a little like the face will be less detail, is this supposed to be normal? Please tell me no

Thanks,
Dave[/QUOTE]

This does not sound normal. Have you calibrated your set properly according to the calibration thread or are you using the out-of-the-box settings?.

Ok I have not taken the time to calibrate the tv too much and if helps a bit if i change it to movie mode, and turn off dnie however it doesnt fix the problem as its still blurry when ever people move on any hd show.
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post #1155 of 19590
5/27/07 at 2:56pm
[quote=axmode]
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Originally Posted by dpinho View Post

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Please tell me my set is at fault, as i'm returning this one and getting another one hoping for a new board ( though amazon is being a pain about it) but if this is a problem with every set then I may just get a refund. I mean the TV is amazing with picture quality, AMAZING, but if every time something moves on the screen at all it blurs up thats not worth it to me, yes I mean even watching a soap opera if someone moves on the screen it blurs up a little like the face will be less detail, is this supposed to be normal? Please tell me no

Thanks,
Dave[/QUOTE]

This does not sound normal. Have you calibrated your set properly according to the calibration thread or are you using the out-of-the-box settings?.

That's the one thing I'm leery about with LCD, the motion blur. I thought it was an inherent issue with the response time of the panel, not something which could be user-adjusted.
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post #1156 of 19590
5/27/07 at 3:01pm
Another newbie question, newbie to LCD in general and this series in particular.

Amazon indicates the 4065 is about 41 inches wide and has a swivel stand.

What kind of footprint do you need for a stand? Would it be safe to have it centered on a stand which is say only about 30 to 35 inches wide, meaning it would hang over the sides of the pedestal stand?

How secure are these things in earthquake country, probably good chance of falling over forwards? Not as front-heavy as CRTs but I'm guessing it would be susceptible to similar physics?
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post #1157 of 19590
5/27/07 at 3:07pm
[quote=dpinho]
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Ok I have not taken the time to calibrate the tv too much and if helps a bit if i change it to movie mode, and turn off dnie however it doesnt fix the problem as its still blurry when ever people move on any hd show.

The first thing that you must do, is to take the time to efficiently calibrate your TV. I know as a matter of fact, that the settings out of the box will give you lots of unwanted noise/motion blur.

It is not matter of just changing it to the Movie mode, but you must try to calibrate in all modes; Dynamic (for sports), Standard and Movie.
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post #1158 of 19590
5/27/07 at 3:09pm
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Originally Posted by wco81 View Post

OK, thanks. Quick look on Circuit City shows $1999 for the 4065. Not bad.

I thought CNet indicated these units just came out in May? Surprised they're already changing boards but it's great if they're responsive.

All HDMI is 1.3 right, including on the 4065 model?

You should be able to negotiate a bit better off those C.C. prices.

I believe that these came out in March and CNET reviewed them in May.

All HDMI ports are 1.3 on all LN-T4x6x models.
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post #1159 of 19590
5/27/07 at 3:15pm
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Originally Posted by wco81 View Post

Another newbie question, newbie to LCD in general and this series in particular.

Amazon indicates the 4065 is about 41 inches wide and has a swivel stand.

What kind of footprint do you need for a stand? Would it be safe to have it centered on a stand which is say only about 30 to 35 inches wide, meaning it would hang over the sides of the pedestal stand?

How secure are these things in earthquake country, probably good chance of falling over forwards? Not as front-heavy as CRTs but I'm guessing it would be susceptible to similar physics?

The LN-T4x65F models are wider than the diagonal LCD size, because the speakers are side mounted. IMO, this design give a slightly better sound than the models which have the speakers mounted on the bottom.

These TV's are much lighter than the comparable Sonys and the Sharp Aquos. You will not have a weight problem centering them on a 30"-35" stand, but if you (like me) live in the earthquake prone CA, you must ensure to have good insurance, above and over anything. And if the really big one hits, who gives a rat's arse about a TV?!.
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post #1160 of 19590
5/27/07 at 3:33pm
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Originally Posted by dpinho View Post


The first thing that you must do, is to take the time to efficiently calibrate your TV. I know as a matter of fact, that the settings out of the box will give you lots of unwanted noise/motion blur.

It is not matter of just changing it to the Movie mode, but you must try to calibrate in all modes; Dynamic (for sports), Standard and Movie.

Understood, but what i'm really looking for is can someone please turn on a soap opera or any slow paced show, and every time someone moves their head or a someone walks across the screen look at the peoples faces as those are the easiest to see detail, and see if you see the screen become pixelated or blurred out for a split second. Like the awesome clearness of HD is washed away and it looks like more of a really bad sd channel just at the spot that moved for a split second. Is this supposed to be normal even at normal settings?

Thanks,
Dave

Edit: It can't be like a close up as I see nothing wrong with close ups unless someone walks in front of the close up and the whole screen has to refresh colors, then I get it.
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post #1161 of 19590
5/27/07 at 4:07pm
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Originally Posted by doublelegend View Post

I know this is general info but I'm posting it here because I'm going to buy the 4661 .

I called my MasterCard provider (Bank of America) to find out if I had free extended warrantee coverage.

They said yes - called Purchase Guard - doubling the manu. warrantee for up to 1 additional yr. HOWEVER they told me Purchase Guard starts June 1, 2007. (Cardholder since '96)

I will be waiting a week to make my purchase.

Maybe your c card has extended coverage now but it would be a shame to buy your Sammy this weekend only to later find that your extended warrantee benefit started a few days later.

PJ


uhh.. if you use a World Mastercard, you get the extended warranty benefit right now. FYI.

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post #1162 of 19590
5/27/07 at 4:11pm
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Originally Posted by zoman504 View Post

Here's a few pics of Gladiator being upscaled to 1080p on the ps3 w/ the new update...



Here's a few of POTC on bluray...



Are these running at 24p?

Thanks,
F.
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post #1163 of 19590
5/27/07 at 4:12pm
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Originally Posted by thygodfather View Post

do you need to say that your having drop outs or could you just request that they change your board? i don't have an hdmi source yet nor do i know if i'll have one in a year but i will be damned if i don't get the working board before the warranty is up.

Totally agree here!

F.
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post #1164 of 19590
5/27/07 at 4:14pm
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Originally Posted by r1dude57 View Post

I have one of the early 4661s also. 1009-1004. Only purchased 2 weeks ago from CC (yes I got a killer price). I am on the fence for returning it hoping for a new board, as I have the 360 elite and have had numerous drops and flashes. My cable box DCT6200 has even turned the tv off a couple times. Would you guys swap it out for a new one hoping to get the latest units, or deal with Samsung? The reason I am asking is that my screen is quite uniform and am very pleased with it except for HDMI issues, and don't want to get a new set with possible new problems. I think this tv offers the best picture in it's class right now, but I sure do have a love/hate relationship with it.

My FW is an even earlier rev on the 4661, 1009-1002, purchased from CC. I have the same issues too with 360 elite and MOT6200. My 30 days is just about up so I was getting a little nervous. My solution was to get the CC 3 year protection plan. When I first bought the set, the warranty was offered to me for $500 and I said no way. Since then, the TV has dropped from $2850, to $2699, to $2399. I also have a 10% AAA membership coupon. The second time I called back for a pricematch, they said the warrantly plan was now only $260. I'm not sure if their pricing was adjusted, or if it was based on the TV sale price being lowered. But with the lastest price drop and match, I used that towards the warranty, it was essentially a wash. It would of been nice to get the set at $2160 (so much less than I thought I'd have to spend), but I do have a peace of mind now, and I am not finding myself scouring these boards every 5 minutes hoping for a fix. If I didn't get the warranty, I would have returned the set, as I still have a 37" Aquos I can use.
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post #1165 of 19590
5/27/07 at 4:15pm
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Originally Posted by tgycagel View Post

Question for the 4065 owners out there -- do you have a dimple-like depression in each of the corners of the frame around the panel? Since the frame is a glossy black, it's fairly easy to notice with the light reflections. They're about an inch long running horizontal to the frame.

On mine, the one on the upper right corner is the most prominent. It looks like as if there is some fastener on the inside that holds the front frame that is causing it.

Just wanted to see if this was normal.


Yes, I have these on the corners of my 4665 frame, seems like the frame isn't completely smooth.

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5/27/07 at 4:18pm
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Originally Posted by zoman504 View Post

thanks, i think your right, because with the new ps3 update it now supports 1080/24 playback, but my set still reads 60 while playing blu rays.

The question for me is, how well does the TV deal with this 24 input? any jerkiness from the frame pull down reconstruction?

Thanks,
F.
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post #1167 of 19590
5/27/07 at 4:27pm
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Originally Posted by axmode View Post

... if the really big one hits, who gives a rat's arse about a TV?!.

Yea, if the building/house starts to shake, grab your Samsung in hand and get out of there .
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post #1168 of 19590
5/27/07 at 4:37pm
Does 1080p make sense in a 40-inch panel?

This will be a gift for my folks, who are watching an old 32-inch CRT.

They won't get into Blu-Ray or even DVD. They watch mostly SD although they would readily watch golfing events (but last I checked, those aren't broadcast in HD?).
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5/27/07 at 4:43pm
golf events are in hd, i watched the masters in hd at my parents house. if your parents are continuing to watch sd then just let them stick with their crt and spend your money on something else. sd content will look better on their tube. but hd on the other hand...
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5/27/07 at 4:45pm
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Originally Posted by wco81 View Post

Does 1080p make sense in a 40-inch panel?

This will be a gift for my folks, who are watching an old 32-inch CRT.

They won't get into Blu-Ray or even DVD. They watch mostly SD although they would readily watch golfing events (but last I checked, those aren't broadcast in HD?).

It is not the matter of whether a 40" or more, but a waste of money if you'd ask me, unless the user was planning to watch HD-DVD/BD/get more HD channels (supposedly D* will be introducing more).

Otherwise save some money (lots of money) and get Olivia (sp?) or some kind of EDTV for now.
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