Official Samsung LN-TXX61F/65F/66F Owner's Thread III - with *updated* first post. - Page 527

A lot of people have problems with the instructions to display firmware version. You have to follow the directions exactly. Make sure to highlight Function Help, hit Enter, then hit INFO on remote.

If the Info is doing the right thing, like displaying channel info or incoming resolution, then it is working. Not sure what you meant when you said the LED does not light up. Which one you are talking about?

I just noticed that there appears to be a 66f model. What is the differance between that and the 2 other models?
TRshaw

The 4066 is a 4065 with different bezels, similar to the 4053H. 4066 is exclusive to BestBuy.

Clau;
I see that you post on the 71 & the 65 forums & are a highly regarded member. I can't get a look at a 65 since no stores locally have any. I'm buying today, 65 or 71, right now I'm very inclined to the 65. Comments.
TRshaw

You'll be happy with either one. The 65 does not have any systematic issues that affect every set, just some random quality issues. The 71 has some systematic issues and random quality issues, but the AMP/120Hz can give a different, interesting, viewing experience. If the price difference is less than $200, I would go with the 71, for the 40" size. Maybe $300 for 46" and $400 for 52".

After you buy your TV, don't visit the forums to look for issues. Just enjoy your TV, and everything will be great .

Thanks, I'm glad that I know what I'm getting in to, but sometimes too much knowledge can be a dangerous thing. And besides, my wife will divorce me if I don't put a fork in this decision.
TRshaw
I will however not be able to resist coming in to to share my experiences with the purchase. And of course ask to help with the fine tuning.

Check your PS3 settings. There are options in the PS3 menu that are specifically for the Blu-ray player. I can't remember exactly what they are, but that might have something to do with it.

It is a model only available at BestBuy.

BestBuy has what I consider to be a scam. They get manufacturers to make a model exclusive to BestBuy and can then advertise lowest price, price matching, etc. with no fear that anyone will find the exact same model anywhere else to compare to. I think that the models BestBuy has built are slightly "cost-reduced" versions of the standard models, perhaps missing some feature or quality the standard model has, allowing them some head room to actually charge relatively lower prices.

A few years ago I was shopping for a wide-screen TV and found that the technology of the day (whatever it was) needed convergence adjustments -- the more expensive TVs had these adjustments in a grid pattern over many points on the screen. I noticed that the BestBuy model had greatly a reduced number of adjustable convergence points.

A salesman at Conn's showed me a spec sheet comparing several BestBuy models and how they differed from the standard models sold at Conn's. This was when I tried to get Conn's to price-match that TV. They wouldn't do it and showed me that spec sheet to explain why. I went back to BestBuy to check it out and the Conn's guy was right.

I do remember telling myself to never buy anything expensive or important from BestBuy.

rcp

P.S. I didn't end up buying a wide-screen TV at the time. The technology seemed too Rube Goldberg and immature. Now I have the Samsung 4665, wishing i had the 5265 -- but one needs to limit the spending somewhere!

i believe you are better off with the 65 series because like most people you probably do not want to deal with the 71 series amp defects because amp is defective

the extra money for the 71 series is wasted because amp would be turned off always and even then you may still get amp artifacts

with the 65 series you just turn on the tv and enjoy with confidence

Thoughts on whether the extra $600 is worth 120Hz when comparing the 4661 and the 4669. I would go with the 4665 but I have to have a matte screen for the room I am putting the tv in. I will be doing quite a bit of gaming and blu-ray dvd watching as I currently have a ps3. 4661 or 4669?

Thanks a lot. It finally showed up. I guess i was dumb and did not follow the instructions correctly.

Within moments I will be buying the 4065. Thanks to all for the help. I almost feel confident about this purchase.
TRshaw

theoretically an lcd just flashing the same image at 120 hz versus 60 hz does nothing to create a sharper image which is what you have if you turn amp off (on a crt a faster refresh rate causes a sharper image because the image is scanned in line by line from top to bottom)

the only theoretical benefit from 120 hz with amp off is if you watch 24 frames per second film material because the frame rate conversion from 24 fps to 120 fps avoids telecine judder

however clau who owns the 65 and 71 series has tested for judder and finds no benefit from the 71 series(120 hz and amp off) and when clau asked 71 series owners for discs where the improvement was noticeable nobody gave him any instances:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...9#post12629329

therefore there are no established benefits from 120 hz 71 series or 69 series with amp off and the extra cost of the 71 series or 69 series is a waste of money

I just spent the last hour trying to read all three threads on the Samsung TV's. My eyes are as blurry as the white clouds that everyone mentions.

Here is what I am looking at. Was looking for a 40 or 42" and based on what I saw in the retail stores, the LNT4065 from Samsung looked the best. Second choice was the 4061. A 46" might be too big for the room

Having read things here, it seems the only issue really is glare. I am not a gamer so it only will be used to watch TV (TIVO) and DVD's.

Right now I found the 4065 on Amazon for about $400 less than Fry's and Best Buy retail.

Other than the glare issue, is there anything I missed on the 4065 vs the 4061? The price difference is about $150.

Keep it simple guys. Just an old man who sometimes gets it.

I've recently noticed a buzzing / humming noise coming from my LNT4061F which becomes increasingly annoying the more the set is watched. Picked mine up at just prior to the end of December after much research on this forum and other than this issue, have been very happy with the set. Playing with the settings, I've found that only the composite and HDMI inputs make the noise, flipping to coax input and the noise goes away immediately. I also noted that the noise will also go away immediately if the backlight is cranked up to 10, reducing the backlight setting appears to adjust the frequency of the noise at varying degrees depending upon setting. Looks like I'll need to contact Samsung for service support, but wanted to check to see if anyone was experiencing similar symptoms with this particular concern. Note, my seating position is ~ 8 feet from the set.

I believe the screen is the main difference in the 65/61's. I have the 4665 in a brightly lit room. There are lights directly behind my tv and I do notice the reflections, sometimes. It doesn't bother me though. What I do find though is that what causes the glare is the glossy screen, which also helps to produce a deeper black and in turn a little better picture. There are plenty of 65 and 61 owners here that rave about their sets and either one will be an amazing purchase for ya.

What size room are you putting it in? You mentioned maybe going with a 46" but not sure about the room size...

I'm a prospective LNT4061F purchaser. The TV has two antenna inputs "air" and "cable". I am intrigued by this. I don't use cable, but if I could use the "cable" input for a second antenna (pointing in a different direction) it would be a guaranteed sale for Samsung.

I'm glad to see that Samsung has the manual online, so I was able to check it. Unfortunately, it is about as useless and confusing as can be on the topic.

Anybody have any experience with using two over-the-air antennas? I think it should work if the "cable" tuner input covers the UHF TV frequencies and can demodulate ATSC as well as QAM.

I just measured and it is 10 feet from the front of the TV to the front of the sofa.

Hi everyone... Great information.

I recently took the plunge on a 5265f which is hooked up via HDMI to my FIOSTV. I am using the P-SCAN mode and most content looks incredible, however when watching some HD channels (NFL Network, FOX, and whatever channel 9 is (WOR?) ) and a non HD commercial is on, I see what appears to be 'digital noise' at the very top of the screen. It is quite distracting.

This also occurs when watching the NFL network during normal broadcasting - ie when they do highlights and have the bars on the left ad right side of the screen.

Has anyone else experienced a similar problem, and if so can you shed some light as to what can be done to correct it?

Thanks in advance...

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PS - Believe it or not I did not know how dirty the bezel was. It was from cutting up drywall when wall running cables for the wall mount!

That is not a problem. In "just scan" mode you see *all* the information in the signal. When there is closed captioning it gets encoded in the first few scan lines and this will show up just as you have pictured it. To eliminate it go to 16x9 mode.

rcp

Thank you for your quick reply. Is 16:9 mode any less quality ? Does it distort, or is a true 1:1 signal?

Also, does 16:9 settings only affect HD broadcasts or will it attempt to stretch non HD content?
I ask this because I would like SD channels to be displayed in as clear a fashion as possible.

Thanks again...

Just purchased the 4661 after great debate. I would just like to send my thanks to all in this forum for the advice and information.

Fry's retail often has the 4065 on sale, like once every week to two weeks. When it is on sale, it is cheaper than amazon.com, but you do have to pay tax.

If the net difference is not huge, I recommend that you buy from a local place where returns are easy. I bought a 4065 that buzzed from Fry's, and I was able to exchange it for a new set that does not buzz. Amazon would have been a lot more painful.

The 4065 and 4061 have different speaker placements, and people in general think that the 65 has better speakers. Not sure if that is important or not to you. The 65 has slightly better contrast and deeper blacks, but if you have a lot of light, those advantages will be neutralized.

My couch is only 6.5 feet away from where the front of my tv would be. Is a 52 inch display too big for this distance? Also, is SD on a 52 worse than a 46?

I don't think both tuners can tune in ATSC signals. Only the ANTENNA (AIR) input has ATSC capability. You can get another external tuner easily, from Samsung no less, for about $170 shipped.

I think it would be a little too big, but if you watch HD material exclusively, that is still OK. I'll be concerned more about whether the TV dominates the room.

SD looks worse on a 52 than on a 46 if the viewing distance is the same.

I sit about the same from my 4665... and think it's good. That said I don't think a 52 would be too big. In fact I think that would be just about the same as most theaters.

Like you say though, SD and bad HD do look bad the bigger they get if you are sitting close. But when watching a 1080p HDDVD/BluRay feature I don't think a screen can ever be too large.

Friedmud

A question: Why is my "Film Mode" setting on my 4665 greyed out? I used to be able to change it... but now I can't. Is there some conflicting setting here? I just don't get it.

Friedmud

Hi All,

I recently got a 5265F, and have had a few complaints about it so far. First off, I was annoyed to find that I had a bunch of what I first believed to be stuck pixels (2 green, 1 blue), but then took a magnifying glass and realized that they were only the size 1/4 a pixel each. I called Samsung and they sent someone over to replace the panel. He replaced it even though he said they weren't technically stuck pixels and that they were just manufacturing defects causing light to leak through. The new panel I got still has one or two of these, but they are so faint that they aren't even visible unless you look really hard. My parents also bought the same TV I did, and they have numerous of these "stuck pixels" as well. Either way, none of them were visible past 4 feet, so it doesn't really matter and I'm sure many of you have them as well (considering 3/3 panels I got had them).

After I got that fixed, I was playing COD4 on xbox 360 over component, and I noticed that many of the dark areas ghosted when moving. I think that COD4 shows this more than any other games I have because it is 60 fps. Anyways, it is very visible during movement where there are either many shades of dark or a sharp change from dark to light. I would like to know if anyone else experiences these same issues because I am wondering if it is a flaw of 1080p over component.

Also, another problem I have with my 360 is that white text / objects are duplicated very faintly. It's like if I look at the text and look right next to it to the right, I can see a duplicate of it very faintly. I tried my old VGA cable for the 360 and it remedied this problem.

The previous 2 problems I have make me wonder if I have faulty component cables or if they are a normal occurence on this TV. If anyone can shed some light on the matter for me I'd really appreciate it.

Thankfully, both panels I received had zero backlight bleeding and no head-on mura effect (unlike the crappy dell 2005fpw I'm posting on). However, I believe all sets have the pillars which are not visible on black screens (for me) but are very visible on grey screens (such as the loading screen for skate.). The farther back I sit from the TV the less I see the pillars which makes sense because the viewing angle from the sides is more abrupt when you sit closer (I don't have a choice in my room). The pillars/mura effect are standard things to expect when getting an LCD and I have yet to see one that does not have these problems in one way or another. I much prefer pillars which are only visible at 2% of the time compared to sharp's banding which is visible all the time.

Overall, the TV is pretty good for me. I consider myself very picky when evaluating TV's and I want them to be perfect. I think that many of the problems I have occur on all LCD's on the market and are just inherent properties to the technology. Picture quality is amazing, and response time on non blacks is good enough. Glare is no problem for me because I control the ambient light, but I can only imagine it being hell for others. I would most likely choose to live with the glare because the finish on the screen is so much more stylish than that bland matte finish plus you get that boost in contrast ratio.

Surpisingly, one of the features I didn't even consider before buying turned out to be the most suprising, and that feature was the internal speakers. I just assumed I had to get another set of 5.1 speakers to simply use the TV, but the one's inside the set performed way above expectation. I'll get some speakers when I get to a bigger room, but for now, these impressed me.

i sit 7 to 8 feet from my 5265 and use it as a pc monitor as well as for tv programming

i believe that the consideration of tv size should include having a tv stand which accommodates the tv and places the tv at eye level and does the tv overpower the room

otherwise bigger is better