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post #15811 of 19594
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Originally Posted by orlandoflyguy View Post

I have finally decided to go with the Sammy 61 series. My last decision is whether to go with a 40 inch or 46 inch?

It is a small living room and the distance from our couches are between 5-7 feet. I like the 46 inch, but don't want too big. I assume that a 40 inch would be plenty of size since I am watching under 10 feet. Any thoughts?

i would buy the 46 because for example when u watching widescreen DVD's u already loosing inches from the picture with the 2 black line ! (imagine with a 40" )


And after a while u gonna think u need a bigger tv anyway when u get use to it!

i did not evem mention the HD signal , when it has a SD part black lines on the side!

i got a 52" watching it from 10 foot just fine.
post #15812 of 19594
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Originally Posted by trshaw View Post

Has anyone every hooked a "65" to a SD Direct TV box? If so can you describe what it looked like other than s##t. Pixelated, grainy, blurry, out of focus, so on.
TRshaw

i did and u right but nothing u can do , well one thing I did ,getting a HD box and watch as much HD as u can!
post #15813 of 19594
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Originally Posted by jblow View Post

I've recently noticed a buzzing / humming noise coming from my LNT4061F which becomes increasingly annoying the more the set is watched. Picked mine up at just prior to the end of December after much research on this forum and other than this issue, have been very happy with the set. Playing with the settings, I've found that only the composite and HDMI inputs make the noise, flipping to coax input and the noise goes away immediately. I also noted that the noise will also go away immediately if the backlight is cranked up to 10, reducing the backlight setting appears to adjust the frequency of the noise at varying degrees depending upon setting. Looks like I'll need to contact Samsung for service support, but wanted to check to see if anyone was experiencing similar symptoms with this particular concern. Note, my seating position is ~ 8 feet from the set.

other people have mentioned this noise and i believe it was limited to the 61 series

i would not accept the noise and would trade for a 4065 or 4665 to avoid it
post #15814 of 19594
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Originally Posted by av999 View Post

theoretically an lcd just flashing the same image at 120 hz versus 60 hz does nothing to create a sharper image which is what you have if you turn amp off (on a crt a faster refresh rate causes a sharper image because the image is scanned in line by line from top to bottom)

the only theoretical benefit from 120 hz with amp off is if you watch 24 frames per second film material because the frame rate conversion from 24 fps to 120 fps avoids telecine judder

however clau who owns the 65 and 71 series has tested for judder and finds no benefit from the 71 series(120 hz and amp off) and when clau asked 71 series owners for discs where the improvement was noticeable nobody gave him any instances:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...9#post12629329

therefore there are no established benefits from 120 hz 71 series or 69 series with amp off and the extra cost of the 71 series or 69 series is a waste of money

i am agree with that !

maybe that is why they did not put that 120hz thing in the 81 series !!
post #15815 of 19594
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Originally Posted by oldradio99 View Post

I just measured and it is 10 feet from the front of the TV to the front of the sofa.

That's about what my setup is and I have the 46". I had a 42" and it just seemed to small. I'd go with the 46" if you can.
post #15816 of 19594
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Originally Posted by kanling View Post

I'm a prospective LNT4061F purchaser. The TV has two antenna inputs "air" and "cable". I am intrigued by this. I don't use cable, but if I could use the "cable" input for a second antenna (pointing in a different direction) it would be a guaranteed sale for Samsung.

I'm glad to see that Samsung has the manual online, so I was able to check it. Unfortunately, it is about as useless and confusing as can be on the topic.

Anybody have any experience with using two over-the-air antennas? I think it should work if the "cable" tuner input covers the UHF TV frequencies and can demodulate ATSC as well as QAM.

have you considered using the channel master model 7777 uhf/vhf combination amplifier or some other type of connector

try this thread for other possibilities:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...t=381623&pp=60
post #15817 of 19594
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Originally Posted by friedmud View Post

A question: Why is my "Film Mode" setting on my 4665 greyed out? I used to be able to change it... but now I can't. Is there some conflicting setting here? I just don't get it.

Friedmud

I believe you have to be receiving either 480i or 1080i for that option to be available. In other words, only for interlaced material.
post #15818 of 19594
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Originally Posted by jcyp79 View Post

I believe the screen is the main difference in the 65/61's. I have the 4665 in a brightly lit room. There are lights directly behind my tv and I do notice the reflections, sometimes. It doesn't bother me though. What I do find though is that what causes the glare is the glossy screen, which also helps to produce a deeper black and in turn a little better picture. There are plenty of 65 and 61 owners here that rave about their sets and either one will be an amazing purchase for ya.

What size room are you putting it in? You mentioned maybe going with a 46" but not sure about the room size...

As I understand this it's not that they are adding gloss to the screen but rather that they are removing the anti glare filter from the LCD panel. I've noticed that companies have been doing this with LCD monitors as of late too. Supposedly the anti glare filter reduces the image quality slightly.
post #15819 of 19594
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Originally Posted by Drummer16 View Post

Hi All,

I recently got a 5265F, and have had a few complaints about it so far. First off, I was annoyed to find that I had a bunch of what I first believed to be stuck pixels (2 green, 1 blue), but then took a magnifying glass and realized that they were only the size 1/4 a pixel each. I called Samsung and they sent someone over to replace the panel. He replaced it even though he said they weren't technically stuck pixels and that they were just manufacturing defects causing light to leak through. The new panel I got still has one or two of these, but they are so faint that they aren't even visible unless you look really hard. My parents also bought the same TV I did, and they have numerous of these "stuck pixels" as well. Either way, none of them were visible past 4 feet, so it doesn't really matter and I'm sure many of you have them as well (considering 3/3 panels I got had them).

After I got that fixed, I was playing COD4 on xbox 360 over component, and I noticed that many of the dark areas ghosted when moving. I think that COD4 shows this more than any other games I have because it is 60 fps. Anyways, it is very visible during movement where there are either many shades of dark or a sharp change from dark to light. I would like to know if anyone else experiences these same issues because I am wondering if it is a flaw of 1080p over component.

Also, another problem I have with my 360 is that white text / objects are duplicated very faintly. It's like if I look at the text and look right next to it to the right, I can see a duplicate of it very faintly. I tried my old VGA cable for the 360 and it remedied this problem.

The previous 2 problems I have make me wonder if I have faulty component cables or if they are a normal occurence on this TV. If anyone can shed some light on the matter for me I'd really appreciate it.

Thankfully, both panels I received had zero backlight bleeding and no head-on mura effect (unlike the crappy dell 2005fpw I'm posting on). However, I believe all sets have the pillars which are not visible on black screens (for me) but are very visible on grey screens (such as the loading screen for skate.). The farther back I sit from the TV the less I see the pillars which makes sense because the viewing angle from the sides is more abrupt when you sit closer (I don't have a choice in my room). The pillars/mura effect are standard things to expect when getting an LCD and I have yet to see one that does not have these problems in one way or another. I much prefer pillars which are only visible at 2% of the time compared to sharp's banding which is visible all the time.

Overall, the TV is pretty good for me. I consider myself very picky when evaluating TV's and I want them to be perfect. I think that many of the problems I have occur on all LCD's on the market and are just inherent properties to the technology. Picture quality is amazing, and response time on non blacks is good enough. Glare is no problem for me because I control the ambient light, but I can only imagine it being hell for others. I would most likely choose to live with the glare because the finish on the screen is so much more stylish than that bland matte finish plus you get that boost in contrast ratio.

Surpisingly, one of the features I didn't even consider before buying turned out to be the most suprising, and that feature was the internal speakers. I just assumed I had to get another set of 5.1 speakers to simply use the TV, but the one's inside the set performed way above expectation. I'll get some speakers when I get to a bigger room, but for now, these impressed me.

never heard of the 1/4 pixel manufacturing defect

your problems with ghosting sound like poor shielding on cables on an analog component signal

you could also try hdmi which is a digital signal and you would avoid ghosting

hdmi provides the best signal to the tv and component and vga are both second best
post #15820 of 19594
Ok everyone, I started a thread over here to finally get to the bottom of the 24hz issue:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=971206

I've compiled a nice list of posts on the subject for a good history on the subject... please go over there and let's put this question to bed.

Friedmud
post #15821 of 19594
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Originally Posted by clau View Post

I believe you have to be receiving either 480i or 1080i for that option to be available. In other words, only for interlaced material.

I am sending 1080i from my HDA3 HDDVD player... and from my cable box.

Any other ideas?

Friedmud
post #15822 of 19594
Got a question about the xvYCC option on the 4665. Does anyone ever use this option? What exactly does it do? What are the benefits to it? Etc... I know/think it has something to do with the color ranges/tones right? Just curious. I'm playing around with settings and kind of like it better turned on for some HD content. Any thoughts?
post #15823 of 19594
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Originally Posted by friedmud View Post

I am sending 1080i from my HDA3 HDDVD player... and from my cable box.

Any other ideas?

Friedmud

Look at page 30 of manual:

"Film mode is supported in TV, VIDEO, S-VIDEO and Component 480i".
post #15824 of 19594
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Originally Posted by jcyp79 View Post

Got a question about the xvYCC option on the 4665. Does anyone ever use this option? What exactly does it do? What are the benefits to it? Etc... I know/think it has something to do with the color ranges/tones right? Just curious. I'm playing around with settings and kind of like it better turned on for some HD content. Any thoughts?

There's info on page 27 of manual.
post #15825 of 19594
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Originally Posted by av999 View Post

never heard of the 1/4 pixel manufacturing defect

your problems with ghosting sound like poor shielding on cables on an analog component signal

you could also try hdmi which is a digital signal and you would avoid ghosting

hdmi provides the best signal to the tv and component and vga are both second best

Unfortunately, I have an old 360 with only the component output. When I use the VGA, I no longer have the problem with the text and stuff being duplicated, however, I still experience the ghosting on the darker colors. Does your TV do this? If I have time, I will take a pic of the ghosting and post it.

Also, the pixels are pretty hard to see unless you are up close to the screen. The guy changing my panel was confused and never had seen it before (he also said he is not allowed to change any panels where the pixels can't be seen past 6ft), yet I have seen these pixels on all the sets I've encountered. Weird. Again they aren't really visible and I noticed them since I was checking against a black screen when I first turned my tv on.
post #15826 of 19594
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Originally Posted by clau View Post

There's info on page 27 of manual.

Got it, finally found it, they sure don't devote that much space to their features in the manual do they! Do you, have you used it? What's your take on the benefits of it?
post #15827 of 19594
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Originally Posted by jcyp79 View Post

Got it, finally found it, they sure don't devote that much space to their features in the manual do they! Do you, have you used it? What's your take on the benefits of it?

Since I have no source outputting xvyCC, I leave it off. The calibration settings in post 1499 also suggest that.
post #15828 of 19594
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Originally Posted by Drummer16 View Post

Unfortunately, I have an old 360 with only the component output. When I use the VGA, I no longer have the problem with the text and stuff being duplicated, however, I still experience the ghosting on the darker colors. Does your TV do this? If I have time, I will take a pic of the ghosting and post it.

Also, the pixels are pretty hard to see unless you are up close to the screen. The guy changing my panel was confused and never had seen it before (he also said he is not allowed to change any panels where the pixels can't be seen past 6ft), yet I have seen these pixels on all the sets I've encountered. Weird. Again they aren't really visible and I noticed them since I was checking against a black screen when I first turned my tv on.

Attached are some pics of the ghosting on Alien Hominid (I also provided a control shot when I paused the background). It's not as bad as when I get the ghosting in COD4, but this was easier to reproduce. If someone else can confirm that they don't get this, then I think I'll need to try new cables or HDMI.

I also attached a pic to show that I have no backlight bleeding and I also provided a sample of pillaring, but it doesn't show it as well as it does in person.
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post #15829 of 19594
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Originally Posted by Drummer16 View Post

Attached are some pics of the ghosting on Alien Hominid (I also provided a control shot when I paused the background). It's not as bad as when I get the ghosting in COD4, but this was easier to reproduce. If someone else can confirm that they don't get this, then I think I'll need to try new cables or HDMI.

I also attached a pic to show that I have no backlight bleeding and I also provided a sample of pillaring, but it doesn't show it as well as it does in person.

Not sure what your settings are, but most of the time pillaring is caused by the settings. Have you checked out the calibration thread for ideas on calibration? Lower blacklight, higher contrast and lower brightness will help reduce the pillaring. Here's the calibration thread:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=828228

The most used settings are on post #1499.
post #15830 of 19594
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Originally Posted by clau View Post

Since I have no source outputting xvyCC, I leave it off. The calibration settings in post 1499 also suggest that.

Thanks. I noticed today while watching an hddvd that the option was not grayed out anymore, so I was just curious.
post #15831 of 19594
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Originally Posted by Drummer16 View Post

Unfortunately, I have an old 360 with only the component output. When I use the VGA, I no longer have the problem with the text and stuff being duplicated, however, I still experience the ghosting on the darker colors. Does your TV do this? If I have time, I will take a pic of the ghosting and post it.

Also, the pixels are pretty hard to see unless you are up close to the screen. The guy changing my panel was confused and never had seen it before (he also said he is not allowed to change any panels where the pixels can't be seen past 6ft), yet I have seen these pixels on all the sets I've encountered. Weird. Again they aren't really visible and I noticed them since I was checking against a black screen when I first turned my tv on.

i use an ati 2600xt pc video card which has dvi output and a dvi to hdmi connector with an hdmi cable to input to hdmi on the tv and i do not get any ghosting and the text and picture are crystal clear
post #15832 of 19594
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Originally Posted by Drummer16 View Post

Attached are some pics of the ghosting on Alien Hominid (I also provided a control shot when I paused the background). It's not as bad as when I get the ghosting in COD4, but this was easier to reproduce. If someone else can confirm that they don't get this, then I think I'll need to try new cables or HDMI.

I also attached a pic to show that I have no backlight bleeding and I also provided a sample of pillaring, but it doesn't show it as well as it does in person.

if you have problems with the left and right screen ends being brighter than in the center for dark to medium-dark backgrounds(like movie credits from a dvd) when you sit at the center of the tv try the following settings:

mode = movie
contrast = 75
brightness = 40 to 50
backlight = 6

detailed settings:
black adjust = low
dynamic contrast = low
gamma = -1
post #15833 of 19594
Does anyone have a ps3 connected via hdmi to their 5265? Id appreciate some help before I decide to return this junk.
post #15834 of 19594
Here is a vid showing my EXACT ISSUE with my ps3 plugged into my 5265. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLiQQRd3ryU
post #15835 of 19594
Yea I have very similar settings already, but they don't completely remove the change in brightness completely. Then again, I am only 7 ft from the TV. I can only see the pillars when the screen is mostly gray.
post #15836 of 19594
So as I posted previously... I was noticing a lot of stuttering and ghosting when watching fast moving scenes.

Well I was in Best Buy earlier today... and I saw what looked like a 4071 TV right above a 4061 TV (I think it was a 61 series).

Anyways both were hooked up to their general crappy (component I guess) feed. But while watching both at the same time... I noticed a lot more stuttering on the 4061 series TV. The 4071 series was a lot smoother.

Now I know the signal wasn't a great test but in a way it may have been a good test because it was a crappy signal.

90% of my viewing will be done on my cable signal through HDMI so I am thinking it might be best to just pay the extra $500 bucks and let Frys do a defective return/upgrade while I can with them and get the 5271 and hope that my eyes just prefer the 120hz.
post #15837 of 19594
Hello!

I have the 5265F. I run a HTPC. Recently, I've used the PIP feature to listen and watch TV while I'm on the PC. When I select PIP when I'm on HDMI 1 I get the picture but no sound. I go to menu/sound/ sound select and change to Sub and then I get sound.

Unfortunately, it doesn't remember this. If I switch to ANT and come back, I have to go through the process again. Is there a way to set this? I mean hit PIP button and get my SUB sound?

Thanks

miura
post #15838 of 19594
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Originally Posted by xtest View Post

Thank you for your quick reply. Is 16:9 mode any less quality ? Does it distort, or is a true 1:1 signal?

Also, does 16:9 settings only affect HD broadcasts or will it attempt to stretch non HD content?
I ask this because I would like SD channels to be displayed in as clear a fashion as possible.

Thanks again...

The quality will be the same. It does not distort anything and your SD channels will be the same (no stretching). I had the same line and once I changed to 16:9, it went away with no loss of PQ, and I'm happy.
post #15839 of 19594
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Originally Posted by xtest View Post

Thank you for your quick reply. Is 16:9 mode any less quality ? Does it distort, or is a true 1:1 signal?

To tell the truth, I don't really know. Subjectively, the quality seems the same but I haven't done a close examination. I see several possibilities:

1. 16:9 mode "zooms" in just a little. I think this would cause some distortion but as I said above, subjectively I haven't noticed this.

2. 16:9 mode simply crops off a few lines top and bottom. This should cause no distortion.

3. It is kind of the other way around: the raw signal actually has a few more than 1080 lines and just scan is showing the extra lines.

Quote:
Also, does 16:9 settings only affect HD broadcasts or will it attempt to stretch non HD content?
I ask this because I would like SD channels to be displayed in as clear a fashion as possible.

Thanks again...

16:9 will stretch the image left to right. Use 4:3 mode for SD signals.

My DirectTV box sometimes sends 4:3 content inside a 16:9 frame so I then leave the TV in 16:9 (or just scan) mode to keep the actual content at 4:3. Other times DirecTV simply sends a 4:3 signal and I switch the TV to 4:3 mode to match.

rcp
post #15840 of 19594
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Originally Posted by badbeat33 View Post

My couch is only 6.5 feet away from where the front of my tv would be. Is a 52 inch display too big for this distance? Also, is SD on a 52 worse than a 46?

Don't forget that if you're moving to a widescreen TV from a 4:3 TV, you need extra diagonal to make up the difference in height

http://geeklimit.com/2006/05/01/reco...-new-screentv/
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