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post #121 of 3106
I have a PS3. But I didn't think the firmware update for 24 Hz was out yet. I read where they were talking about doing it, but I've never seen any evidence of it. Does anybody have something that can verify this? If somebody knows what to do for this test to verify it, I can certainly do it.
post #122 of 3106
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Originally Posted by redbirdpat View Post

I have a PS3. But I didn't think the firmware update for 24 Hz was out yet. I read where they were talking about doing it, but I've never seen any evidence of it. Does anybody have something that can verify this? If somebody knows what to do for this test to verify it, I can certainly do it.

There was just a new update this week, adding things like extra remote play through internet on the PSP and uspcaling of DVDs and PS1/PS2 games. And in some threads at Gamespot someone mentioned seeing a new option for 24fps somewhere in the PS3.

I'll turn the PS3 to see if that option is there since I did do the update, 1.8 I think.
post #123 of 3106
It's there, under "BD/DVD settings" there is a new "BD 1080p 24hz output (HDMI)" option.
post #124 of 3106
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Originally Posted by TimothyB View Post

It's there, under "BD/DVD settings" there is a new "BD 1080p 24hz output (HDMI)" option.

What happens if you use that setting? Does it show it at 24fps or 60fps.

Also remember, most receivers will not pass thru 1080p 24fps. A direct conection may be required.

Since they didn't bother to advertise these sets I'm hoping it will do 24fps and they just didn't bother to mention it.
post #125 of 3106
Okay. I just got my PS3 last week, so this must have come out right after I updated it, like you said. I just got the new update, and I see the new option. Now the question is, what DVD do I play? Will any blu-ray disc do? Or do I have to get one that is specifically encoded? I obviously don't know much about blu-ray.
post #126 of 3106
I am considering this set as well as the 61" LED Sammy. The 65" really has me moving closer to the Tosh.

Anyway, I currently have a Panny PT-50LC13 with the Filter mod to darken blacks. That worked for a while, but now I crave darker blacks and the 50" 3LCD Panny just can't do it. This will be moved into the bedroom.

I see from this thread my dream of 1080p via Xbox 360's VGA are gone. THe guy who wrote he found 1200x766 to be a sweet spot on this set using a PC has me worried about what my eyes are really seeing.

My question to the thread starter is:

1. Are Blacks SIGNIFICANTLY deeper on this set when compared to your 50LC13?

For anyone else:

2. Does anyone know how fast the color wheel spins in this set? My sisters Samsung 61" DLP spins at 7200 rpm and I see them.
post #127 of 3106
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Originally Posted by trgraphics View Post

What happens if you use that setting? Does it show it at 24fps or 60fps.

Also remember, most receivers will not pass thru 1080p 24fps. A direct conection may be required.

Since they didn't bother to advertise these sets I'm hoping it will do 24fps and they just didn't bother to mention it.

I only have a Sony 60a2020 right now, not the Toshiba yet
post #128 of 3106
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Originally Posted by redbirdpat View Post

Okay. I just got my PS3 last week, so this must have come out right after I updated it, like you said. I just got the new update, and I see the new option. Now the question is, what DVD do I play? Will any blu-ray disc do? Or do I have to get one that is specifically encoded? I obviously don't know much about blu-ray.

Most if not all Blu-ray at 1080p24, no reason it wouldn't because that's the frame rate films are in and anything other like 1080p30 and 60 would take up more space and make the jitter permanent.
post #129 of 3106
Okay. Well, I set the PS3 "BD 1080p 24hz output (HDMI)" option to "Automatic". The only other choice was "Off". My PS3 is directly connected to the Toshiba with an HDMI cable. I played the "Talledega Nights" BD that came with the PS3. It played just fine.
post #130 of 3106
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Originally Posted by redbirdpat View Post

Okay. Well, I set the PS3 "BD 1080p 24hz output (HDMI)" option to "Automatic". The only other choice was "Off". My PS3 is directly connected to the Toshiba with an HDMI cable. I played the "Talledega Nights" BD that came with the PS3. It played just fine.

Was there a display button on the tv remote to show what the input signal was? If it was either 1080p60 or 1080p24, but that wouldn't guarantee if it was displaying at 24hz, only accepting. Or maybe the select button in the PS3 if it gives resolution detail there.

I guess to know if there was a real benefit is if you found in a movie a long slow pan and see it there was any jitter I guess.
post #131 of 3106
The only tv button that gives that information that I can see is the "info" button, but it only says 1080p. Doesn't say 24 or 60. The select button on the PS3 doesn't say either. It only says MPEG2 for the video
post #132 of 3106
Finally bit the bullet. Oh how I wish I was ignorant like the first time I bought an HDTV 2 years ago, making a decision was so much easier then

I'm happy with the price from 1 Call special weekend sale. It basically came to what that cheap techdepot price with tax applied would be and free shipping. I feel safe ordering from 1 Call since I bought a Sony rear projection from them in the past that went smoothly, plus a Harman Kardon and Power Center at different later times.

Also, 1 Call seems to have a really good offer for warranty. 5 years for $259, that includes bulb replacement (didn't say how many). I didn't purchase it yet because in the FAQ it said I can buy the warranty within the last 30 days of the labor warranty period of the original supplied warranty. So that makes me think, why get it and have the 5 years start now when I can get it near a year later so the 5 years starts then. The only other decent warranty is that Mack warranty but that only has bulb coverage for 3 years even if warranty is longer.
post #133 of 3106
My 65HM167 is indicating a lamp error at about 10 hours of usage. 5 days and dead. Toshiba states that there are 18k lamps on order with no ETA, but likely more than 2 weeks away. The retailer will not replace the set, stating I paid too little for it. So for now I have a $1069 anchor...

Love the TV when it works, hate the retailer, they have been reported to the FTC, BBB, Consumer Affiars Division, and the State Attorney General for failing to honor their 14 day complete satisfaction guarantee.
post #134 of 3106
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Originally Posted by TraumaRN View Post

My 65HM167 is indicating a lamp error at about 10 hours of usage. 5 days and dead. Toshiba states that there are 18k lamps on order with no ETA, but likely more than 2 weeks away. The retailer will not replace the set, stating I paid too little for it. So for now I have a $1069 anchor...

Love the TV when it works, hate the retailer, they have been reported to the FTC, BBB, Consumer Affiars Division, and the State Attorney General for failing to honor their 14 day complete satisfaction guarantee.

Wow. How did you get an anchor for $1069?
post #135 of 3106
My parents ended up being in the same boat. The lamp went out after about 10 hours. Toshiba told us they were sending a lamp replacement. Then 5 days later I called them only to be told they were on backorder. They said in about a week or two they would be in. So back to BB it went. The replacement has worked fine. I just wish Toshiba had been honest up front and said the lamps weren't in stock. I don't know where you purchased your unit for that price but sometimes price is not everything. I have a way you can get a lamp. PM me...
post #136 of 3106
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Originally Posted by redbirdpat View Post

The only tv button that gives that information that I can see is the "info" button, but it only says 1080p. Doesn't say 24 or 60. The select button on the PS3 doesn't say either. It only says MPEG2 for the video

I read in another thread that if you look at the end credits it's easy to tell if it is outputting 24fps. The text in the end credits should be much smoother and easier to read if it is working properly.

If you change the output from the PS3 while viewing the credits it should be easy to tell if it's working.
post #137 of 3106
I just viewed the credits. I couldn't tell the difference. They both looked smooth to me. I changed the option back and forth 3 or 4 times, just to see if there was some very minor difference I could spot. I could not see any difference. So I still don't know if it's really outputting 2 different rates or not. If it is, there doesn't seem to be any difference with this television. At least with that small test.
post #138 of 3106
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Originally Posted by redbirdpat View Post

I just viewed the credits. I couldn't tell the difference. They both looked smooth to me. I changed the option back and forth 3 or 4 times, just to see if there was some very minor difference I could spot. I could not see any difference. So I still don't know if it's really outputting 2 different rates or not. If it is, there doesn't seem to be any difference with this television. At least with that small test.

Thanks for testing this. I don't think it is displaying at 24fps if you didn't see a differance. Oh well, it was worth a shot. Even if it doesn't display at 24fps it still puts out a beautiful picture!

I can't wait until I get mine isf calibrated.
post #139 of 3106
I pulled the trigger and just ordered the 65HM167 via 1Call. With 5 YEAR ( ACTUALLY 4 YEAR - COVERED FROM DELIVERY DATE) warranty that includes one bulb replacement the whole deal came to about 2K.
post #140 of 3106
I know the owner's manual states that the VGA input max is 1024 × 768. Microsoft claims the VGA on the Xbox 360 will put out 1080p. Has anyone here actually tried it? I realy want to get this tv, but this is the deciding factor.
post #141 of 3106
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Originally Posted by hondo164 View Post

I pulled the trigger and just ordered the 65HM167 via 1Call. With 5 YEAR ( ACTUALLY 4 YEAR - COVERED FROM DELIVERY DATE) warranty that includes one bulb replacement the whole deal came to about 2K.

That's what I did last night too, but I held off on the warranty even though the price is amazing. I'm going to ask about the warranty when they call as it seems in the FAQ you can buy the warranty any time within the last 30 days of the original labor warranty.

DOH!!!! I just realized this is a 3 day sale! I could have relaxed some instead of thinking the deal was going to be over last night. Their front page still has their normal 2 day weekend banner while the actual page says memorial 3 day sale.
If it's like anything like last time 2 years ago they'll call you about the delivery with a date and tell you the procedure. Like how the box will have shock sensors on the sides of which if one has a color mixed then the box was handled too rough even if it visually looks fine. Then to inspect any damage on the box to which be noted on the the shipping paper even if it looked like it wouldn't have done anything to the tv. All for your protection and theirs.

When my Sony 55inch was delivered it was one guy back then and he moved it to the front door and lifted the top off to inspect the tv, but he had to just leave it there. Since the tv was light enough I could easily slide it while in the box's base into the house. A few days later they'll call just to check if everything is fine and if you have any questions, no sales pitch for warranty or cables.
post #142 of 3106
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

My parents ended up being in the same boat. The lamp went out after about 10 hours. Toshiba told us they were sending a lamp replacement. Then 5 days later I called them only to be told they were on backorder. They said in about a week or two they would be in. So back to BB it went. The replacement has worked fine. I just wish Toshiba had been honest up front and said the lamps weren't in stock. I don't know where you purchased your unit for that price but sometimes price is not everything. I have a way you can get a lamp. PM me...


I don't get it, how can it be backorder when they're spewing out new tvs left and right, they obviously have the bulbs. I mean you just spent $2k or so on their tv that doesn't work and they can't divert a few components from manufacturing to repair it in a timely matter? It just seems to me like there should be no excuse for not having the part at moments notice. It would be like an insult, like it's more important to use the bulb you need to build one more tv to sell to one more customer instead of caring for an existing one.
post #143 of 3106
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Originally Posted by mike1111 View Post

Wow. How did you get an anchor for $1069?

Internet advetised price for RC Willey that was changed SHORTLY after I purchased my set.
post #144 of 3106
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Originally Posted by hondo164 View Post

I pulled the trigger and just ordered the 65HM167 via 1Call. With 5 YEAR ( ACTUALLY 4 YEAR - COVERED FROM DELIVERY DATE) warranty that includes one bulb replacement the whole deal came to about 2K.

An update. I just got my call from One Call. Since I used their credit card they asked if I wanted to do 12 month no interest or 2% off with 90 day I think.

I guess this shipping is curb side even though 2 years ago they moved it to the front door. They said any further by the delivery guy would all be on him if it got damaged moving it further. Then you have 72 hours to uncrate and unbox to examine for any shipping damage to report to them.

One thing that bugs me is that if the tv does have a defect or problem not related to shipping you basically have to cover it by the warranty, they won't replace it, which is understandable with the logistics of the size of these things.

I'm worried since the first 65hm167 I got from CC had an obvious spot behind the screen it could happen again. Though, if it's only that I guess that could easily be repaired by opening it up, but if the tv loses a bulb or just doesn't want to work I wouldn't want to be stuck with a dead tv for a while and months of repair or wait from a backorder. Suddenly paying a couple hundred more locally seems better.

Otherwise I was told it would ship tomorrow and once I get tracking I'll get information on who to call to setup the delivery.
post #145 of 3106
Usually the shipping goes fine with these sets.

The manufacturing defects are the real issue.
post #146 of 3106
I would not worry. I have had 2 sets shipped and I had no problem. Heck they don't grow them in the store . they have to be shipped there too and with something this big it would still need to be shipped to my house. Their delivery is into your garage not out on the curb. What they don't do is unbox set it up for you. if they did, you would pay more like everyone else. I went over with them their shipping and receipt process and the go through a lot of effort to make sure there is no damage.

I went the internet route because based on feedback they appear to be a "legit" shop. Also I have no intention of returning this TV because I don't like it.....I did a lot of research and have experience with Toshibas. Frankly, there is not anything better at that price. Someone else can go pay a premium for a Mitus or Sony, I am not, they are not better nor worth the extra cost. Besides, the warranty is for in home service so it is needed so be it that is why I got it.

BTW, I would not buy anything from those scumbags that run CC, after their little stunt of getting rid of their higher priced employees so the could hitr lower wage ones....oh yeah, they said they could re-apply for their jobs.
post #147 of 3106
Is an SVGA cable with a stereo audio cable necessary to hear your sound on the computer through the tv speakers or can I save a few bucks and just get the SVGA cable? I get my tv today and want to use a computer on it eventually but until I decide to upgrade my graphics card with a dvi slot or buy a newer computer(own a emachines t2865 for 5 years) I need to use the vga connector. Thanks for the awesome posts, has really helped me make the best decisions possible(tv stand for 40 instead of 400, mack warranty, picture settings) and made some of my friends and family really jealous Cheers to the owners!
post #148 of 3106
I have a 57HM167 and found three options to hooking up a computer.

1. You can use a straight VGA cable and an audio patch cord to go to the PC input. This is best for older video cards that don't have DVI outputs. I believe Toshiba says something like 1024x768 resolution for that port.

2. Use a DVI to HDMI cable and plug it into the HDMI port that shares audio with the PC port. I forget if this is HDMI 1 or 3 but there is a line connectiing them on the panel. You will still need to connect the audio to the PC audio input. There is a menu setting that lets you associate the PC audio with the HDMI port. You will get the best resolution this way, but your video card needs to have a DVI port. Be aware that there is overscan at 1920x1024 resolution so the edges of the screen get cut off. My video card allowed a slightly lower res (I don't remember it offhand, but can get it if you need it) that allowed me the get the whole screen visible. It was a wierd resolution that seemed to be designed just for this purpose.

3. Gefen makes boxes that can take a VGA or DVI connection plus a Toslink or SPDIF audio signal and converts them to an HDMI connection with audio. This would give you the same video signal as #2 above but now you have surround audio and you can use any HDMI port. These are a couple of hundred bucks but might be a good solution if you want to use the VGA input for something else like an Xbox or another computer.

Hope this helps.

Steve
post #149 of 3106
I might not have answered your main question directly. The audio and the VGA do not need to be in one cable. You can use a VGA cable and then a separate audio patch cord to carry the sound. For most soundcards you will need something like a 3.5mm stereo phone plug to a dual RCA patch cord at the TV side. If you use only a VGA cable you will only have video. Only HDMI carries video and sound on the same cable.

Steve
post #150 of 3106
Also if you have a Receiver, you could run video to your TV (or perhaps the receiver) and audio to your receiver.

this does require a separate component - but many people have a receiver in their setup so it would be a viable option (and is what I plan on doing!)
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