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post #211 of 3106
I played with it quite a bit tonight and can't seem to get the picture smooth without softening it. The HD looks acceptable, but still no "wow factor". SD is pretty disappointing. I've got the internal ATSC tuner as well as a Sony STB/DVR (also ATSC) and I get the same subpar SD picture quality. I ran the HQV test disk tonight and this set fails a few of the tests. The failure that stands out the most is the "jaggies" test. Failed miserably. The HD DVE tests look really good. So, if I'm watching 720p or 1080i material, it looks pretty good. Anything less than HD resolution is not so good. I'm really surprised I'm not seeing what everyone else it seeing. Maybe Hondo is right. I just have to get used to the DLP "look".

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Originally Posted by Fragster View Post

Thanks for the honest review, Dlhope! I have been in the same boat as u....current owner of the 57s500 Hitachi that I have no issue with at the moment but its the reflections and the bulkiness that made me start considering DLP's.

I was looking at the 65" Toshiba but from your review, non-HD picture quality seems less than par compared to the Hitachi and most of my programming is SD though I also own a HD-A2 player for HD movies.

I know the Hitachi's have a fantastic scaler that up-scales lower resolutions to 1080i native and hence why even my regular DVD's always looked good but it appears the Toshiba may be somewhat lacking in such a scaler.

Hmmm.......so my search goes on :-(
Frag
post #212 of 3106
Anyone have any good recommendations on TV stands? I've been looking around Circuit City and Best Buy, but they didn't really have a wide range of selections for TVs this big.
post #213 of 3106
Congrats! At least you are watching t now...
post #214 of 3106
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Originally Posted by z32razer View Post

Anyone have any good recommendations on TV stands? I've been looking around Circuit City and Best Buy, but they didn't really have a wide range of selections for TVs this big.


Sears has the Toshiba stand for this TV.
post #215 of 3106
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Originally Posted by dlhoppe View Post

I played with it quite a bit tonight and can't seem to get the picture smooth without softening it. The HD looks acceptable, but still no "wow factor". SD is pretty disappointing. I've got the internal ATSC tuner as well as a Sony STB/DVR (also ATSC) and I get the same subpar SD picture quality. I ran the HQV test disk tonight and this set fails a few of the tests. The failure that stands out the most is the "jaggies" test. Failed miserably. The HD DVE tests look really good. So, if I'm watching 720p or 1080i material, it looks pretty good. Anything less than HD resolution is not so good. I'm really surprised I'm not seeing what everyone else it seeing. Maybe Hondo is right. I just have to get used to the DLP "look".


When I frst got the TV, I only used the hi lamp during the day because the room had it in was in direct sunlight.One thing you may want to do is use the low lamp setting. What I have found is as the lamp ages you vcan go back to the high setting. I would also suggest that you invest in a good calibration.
post #216 of 3106
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Originally Posted by z32razer View Post

Anyone have any good recommendations on TV stands? I've been looking around Circuit City and Best Buy, but they didn't really have a wide range of selections for TVs this big.

Sears has the matching Toshiba stand. They sell at retail, which is $399, but I believe they have a 10% off sale on all stand going.

There are two advantages to the Toshiba stand for the 65" set. It fits the set perfectly, as it's designed for it.

It also has very high shelf height. I measured both shelves at 9.25" in height. I have a tall center channel that most stands won't accomodate. No problem with the Toshiba stand - and I have a choice of top or bottom shelf.

The disadvantages of the stand are that it seems to be made of fiberboard, and the shelves taper in at the back of the stand. This follows the coutour of the tv, but lessens the useful depth of the shelves.
post #217 of 3106
I ordered this and had to build this (took me a long ass time) it is well worth it.

http://www.bushfurniturecentral.com/...03-BU2090.html

the stand is about 1 1/2 inch wider than this TV. So it's about 3/4 inch of space on both side.

I just couldn't see myself buying a $400 one open shelf cheap looking thing.
post #218 of 3106
I went with the techcraft 58" Monaco stand (PTV583B) and it fits the TV perfectly and the middle has three possible settings so you can play around if you have some taller components and some shorter (like I did, have my STB and DVD player on the bottom shelf which is only about 4" tall in its current configuration, the middle shelf is about 7.5" and holds my XBOX, center channel and will eventually have my receiver - onkyo 605).

The black matches the TV very well and goes with my other furniture. but I think there's also a silver one if you prefer
post #219 of 3106
Techcraft makes perfect matching stands for this series!
post #220 of 3106
I got this for my 57" and the TV fits with a few inches to spare on either side. Looks great and a nice price. Originally posted in the previous info thread.
post #221 of 3106
hondo,

You're definately correct about calibration. I've been playing with it more and tried the THX optimizer on the Star Wars disc to very good effect. The HD-A2 is starting to look even better. My HD-DVD's are really starting to "pop" now. I'm rather amazed at how many different "looks" the picture controls will give in different combinations. I now have the lamp on low, noise filters off, and the entire range of settings turned way down. The SSE and other artifacts are now practically gone from the HD-A2 source. This set is actually very sensitive to adjustments. I've found it's important to take my time and do "small moves". There seems to be "sweet spots" for the settings, and it takes patience to dial them in.

I'm getting there. I hope I have some success with the tuner. I'll report back as I progress with it. Thanks for the suggestions.


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Originally Posted by hondo164 View Post

When I frst got the TV, I only used the hi lamp during the day because the room had it in was in direct sunlight.One thing you may want to do is use the low lamp setting. What I have found is as the lamp ages you vcan go back to the high setting. I would also suggest that you invest in a good calibration.
post #222 of 3106
Just to be sure, I have the 65" DLP version, and the TV stand width I'm going to buy needs to be at least 58", since the width of the 65" is only 58", correct?
post #223 of 3106
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Originally Posted by dlhoppe View Post

hondo,

You're definately correct about calibration. I've been playing with it more and tried the THX optimizer on the Star Wars disc to very good effect. The HD-A2 is starting to look even better. My HD-DVD's are really starting to "pop" now. I'm rather amazed at how many different "looks" the picture controls will give in different combinations. I now have the lamp on low, noise filters off, and the entire range of settings turned way down. The SSE and other artifacts are now practically gone from the HD-A2 source. This set is actually very sensitive to adjustments. I've found it's important to take my time and do "small moves". There seems to be "sweet spots" for the settings, and it takes patience to dial them in.

I'm getting there. I hope I have some success with the tuner. I'll report back as I progress with it. Thanks for the suggestions.


I just got the 57hm167 last week, any chance you could share your settings when you're finished?

Thanks
post #224 of 3106
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Originally Posted by z32razer View Post

Just to be sure, I have the 65" DLP version, and the TV stand width I'm going to buy needs to be at least 58", since the width of the 65" is only 58", correct?

I have this stand and it fits the 65inch width near perfect with a hair of space on each side. I also didn't install the round feet. I liked this stand originally because of the huge amount of storage it has from edge to edge. I think there is a black one too.
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....=1060605669796

I'll have better photos eventually

post #225 of 3106
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Originally Posted by z32razer View Post

Just to be sure, I have the 65" DLP version, and the TV stand width I'm going to buy needs to be at least 58", since the width of the 65" is only 58", correct?

Yep you are correct.
post #226 of 3106
Sure,

Remember, this is a "work in progress". YMMV.

Here's what I'm using for the HD-A2:

Contrast: 80
Brightness: 57
Color: 30
Tint: -10 (see comments)
Sharpness: 0 - 20 (see comments)
Dynamic Contrast: Off
Gamma: 0
Temp: Warm
Lamp: Low
CableClear NR: Off
MPEG NR: Off


Here's my current settings for the tuner:

Contrast: 55
Brightness: 58
Color: 31
Tint: -10 (see comments)
Sharpness: 0 (see comments)
Dynamic Contrast: Off
Gamma: 0
Temp: Warm
Lamp: Low
CableClear NR: Off
MPEG NR: Off

By the way, the PQ from my Sony ATSC DVR is pretty similar to the built-in tuner, so I'm currently using the same settings for it.


Tint Comments:
I'm having a bit of trouble with tint settings. It seems that most of the content I'm using for tweaking has inconsistent skin tones from scene to scene. Seems like I'm chasing a moving target on this one. I don't have the exact blue filter for the THX Optimizer. Instead I tried using the one from the DVE disc, but I think it results in a tint too far towards the red/pink end of the spectrum. Must be the incorrect filter. My preference is going to fall somewhere between 0 and -10 for this setting. More likely right in the middle at -5 give or take. Need to see more material to find a "happy medium" though.


Sharpness Comments:
On HD material, I can add a some sharpness, but if too much, things start getting a little "harsh" for lack of a better word. To me, things look much more natural and artifact-free with it set very low. Even though it could be argued that higher settings produce better detail and clarity, the edge enhancement effect from this stands out to me and I don't care for it. This could be because I'm used to the silky-smooth picture of the Hitachi. However, on material from the tuner, expecially SD, the sharpness needs to be very low or at zero. I've found that the SD material looks WAY better without any sharpness at all. I think what may be happening is the sharpness setting (when turned up) possibly enhances the artifacts from upconversion and compression. At zero, the SD picture is much smoother and pleasant to look at, although a bit soft. I'll take that any day over how bad it looked out of the box. SD quality is now acceptable considering how rarely I watch it.

It seems that the least post processing done by the TV's chipset, the better. All filters and edge enhancement turned off with warm or medium temp looks best to me. I'll keep trying to get this set dialed in to my best ability, and if I'm not satisfied, I'll consider an ISF calibration. Since bringing it home Sunday, I have made some progress in learning and acclimating to it. I'm more optimistic than I was at first.


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Originally Posted by 1750 View Post

I just got the 57hm167 last week, any chance you could share your settings when you're finished?

Thanks
post #227 of 3106
Thanks very much!!!!

I greatly appreciate these settings.
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post #229 of 3106
You really need to match the stand to the height you are sitting at. I know some will agree with me but I have my TV on a maple console that is 30" high and my other 56HM195 on one that is 34" high. Both the 65 and the 56 are about the same height and with my furniture the picture is great. I have found for myself that some of these stands are just two too low and you begin to look down at the picture which is not a good viewing angle with a DLP.
post #230 of 3106
Well, I just purchased the 2nd stand I linked to in my last post. Seems to be what I'm looking for; good height, leeway room on sides, openness in the back for misc. connections, and a nice, slick, and modern look.

Hope it was a good choice!
post #231 of 3106
I just bought an accessory for my 65hm167, the Ideal-Lume light standard: link

Anyone else have one or done something similar? I've been using a simple 15 watt light that isn't anywhere near the 6500k color temperature that seems to be the best for a bias light. And the length of the tube light should help evenly light and hide shadows from my center speaker compared to the centered point of light I've been using.
post #232 of 3106
I may try one of those with parents tv. Why not?
post #233 of 3106
Anyone know the contrast ratios on these TV's? For some reason, I couldn't find them while looking over the specs.
post #234 of 3106
YES! It finally arrived!! WOOO!!

Since this is really my first time using an HDTV, do I need to take any extra caution with the picture settings(brightness, contrast, etc.) in its first hours of use? Like, do I need to set it to low settings for that initial "break in" period? Or can I just use my DVE DVD to calibrate it at once(it arrived as well)? I heard some people say that I should put the lamp setting on Warm or something......should I do that?

Anyways, I'm SOO freakin happy with this TV!! It's HUUUGGGE! I used my PS3 with an HDMI cable, and all I can say is WOW..... Before, I already thought that PS3 games looked good in regular 480i SD TVs, but now, when I compare it to this new TV, it's like comparing garbage to gold! Oh, and did I already say that this thing is HUUUGGEE? Oh yea, I did......BUT DANG ITS HUGE!!!
post #235 of 3106
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Originally Posted by koan View Post

Toshiba's VGA maxes at 1024 × 768. Only the 3 HDMI inputs handle 1080p.

On the spec sheet it seems to imply that the VGA takes a 1080P input.
What about the component inputs? Will they accept a 1080P input? I guess I'll need to get the 360 Elite to get 1080P input if component doesn't accept it. My current Samsung takes 1080P over VGA which I currently use with the 360. I think I'll wait to see what sales they have on the 65" next week for Fathers day before pulling the trigger. AS long as I can get the 65" for under $2K and 1.5 to 2 years no interest like is currently available, I hope it won't hurt me to wait for a week before ordering.
post #236 of 3106
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

On the spec sheet it seems to imply that the VGA takes a 1080P input.
What about the component inputs? Will they accept a 1080P input? I guess I'll need to get the 360 Elite to get 1080P input if component doesn't accept it. My current Samsung takes 1080P over VGA which I currently use with the 360. I think I'll wait to see what sales they have on the 65" next week for Fathers day before pulling the trigger. AS long as I can get the 65" for under $2K and 1.5 to 2 years no interest like is currently available, I hope it won't hurt me to wait for a week before ordering.

I was going by what it says in the manual. That's a strange entry in the spec sheet as it's one line for "VGA/480i/480p/720p/1080i/1080p HDMI Input PC Support" under "Connections." Keep in mind the spec sheet says it's "Preliminary." The manual says for component: "Suggested formats: 1080i, 720p, 480p, 480i." I haven't heard of a DLP set other than Samsung that offers 1080P over VGA and component, but I haven't really paid attention because I don't use my set as a computer display.
post #237 of 3106
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Originally Posted by z32razer View Post

Since this is really my first time using an HDTV, do I need to take any extra caution with the picture settings(brightness, contrast, etc.) in its first hours of use? Like, do I need to set it to low settings for that initial "break in" period? Or can I just use my DVE DVD to calibrate it at once(it arrived as well)? I heard some people say that I should put the lamp setting on Warm or something......should I do that?

No, you don't need to take cautions with the picture settings. DLPs don't suffer burn-in. You can use DVE to calibrate it now, but may want to do it again after it's broken in a bit. The lamp will eventually dim, so you'll probably want to adjust again after time. You can put the lamp on low or high. I find low is all I need, but if you are viewing in a bright room, maybe you will find high is better. Some claim using the low lamp setting will extend the life of the bulb.
post #238 of 3106
Are these HM167 sets capable of 1:1 pixel mapping?
post #239 of 3106
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Originally Posted by koan View Post

No, you don't need to take cautions with the picture settings. DLPs don't suffer burn-in. You can use DVE to calibrate it now, but may want to do it again after it's broken in a bit. The lamp will eventually dim, so you'll probably want to adjust again after time. You can put the lamp on low or high. I find low is all I need, but if you are viewing in a bright room, maybe you will find high is better. Some claim using the low lamp setting will extend the life of the bulb.

Thanks for the answer Koan!
post #240 of 3106
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

Are these HM167 sets capable of 1:1 pixel mapping?

Yes - you can read about it in my earlier Post #51.

Phil
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