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post #1321 of 7087
I put an order in yesterday for an LFM-1 Compact. Not my first choice originally, but I think close enough. Just couldn't ignore the price. There ends several months of study. Hopefully.
post #1322 of 7087
Hee hee, I hope I get mines today
post #1323 of 7087
I'm about ready to pull the plug on 2 LFM-1EX's....will this be enough to pressurize a 2500 cu ft room? I want my bass to feel tight...punchy...and go looooow. I was all set to buy a 1 ED A5 350 for $650 bigger driver 15" 550 amp...but I keep coming back to the sale price of theses Outlaw subs. 2 for under $1100. My pistol finger is close to firing. Will 2 LFM-EX's blow 1 ED A5 350 out of the water?

Also my carpet is really really thick and problem with down firing subs?
post #1324 of 7087
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Originally Posted by jwv651 View Post

Will 2 LFM-EX's blow 1 ED A5 350 on the water?

Yes, two of anything is always better than one.
post #1325 of 7087
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Originally Posted by weverb View Post

Yes, two of anything is always better than one.

Being I have really thick carpet, is this not considered a problem...I don't want the driver 1" from the carpet...I would think this would mute the bass output. Could these subs be used as end tables, wife wants to know? I would need a 25' cable for one of the subs, any problems at that length? Sorry about all the questions, just need to know what will work and what won't work.
post #1326 of 7087
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Originally Posted by jwv651 View Post

Being I have really thick carpet, is this not considered a problem...I don't want the driver 1" from the carpet...I would think this would mute the bass output. Could these subs be used as end tables, wife wants to know? I would need a 25' cable for one of the subs, any problems at that length? Sorry about all the questions, just need to know what will work and what won't work.

No problem with 25' cable length. Try Monoprice (forum sponsor). Don't know about using EX as an end-table.

Regarding clearance - based upon my experience, I wouldn't think that 1" is enough. Others - please feel free to correct me here if I'm wrong, but isn't 2" the recommended minimum clearance?

There are multiple ways to solve:

I use an Auralex GRAMMA acoustic isolation riser which is perfectly sized for the EX:
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/GRAMMA/

Larry (laugsbach) made his own risers out of a shipping tube (see pics here):
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...1#post14231151
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...1#post14480491

Some get a piece of MDF or slab of marble as a plate for the sub to sit upon.
post #1327 of 7087
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Originally Posted by jwv651 View Post

I'm about ready to pull the plug on 2 LFM-1EX's....will this be enough to pressurize a 2500 cu ft room? I want my bass to feel tight...punchy...and go looooow. I was all set to buy a 1 ED A5 350 for $650 bigger driver 15" 550 amp...but I keep coming back to the sale price of theses Outlaw subs. 2 for under $1100. My pistol finger is close to firing. Will 2 LFM-EX's blow 1 ED A5 350 out of the water?

Also my carpet is really really thick and problem with down firing subs?

If I had to money, I would go with the Outlaws, as far as I know, there isnt much of a turn around time (if any), and those EX's are freaking sweet subs!

Your talking more surface area with Outlaws, along with a much smoother room response.
post #1328 of 7087
My trigger finger got itchy...just pulled the trigger...bought 2 LFM-1EX's. Should ship tomorrow. Hopefully get here by Friday!
post #1329 of 7087
Awesome! When I had my LFM-1 Plus, I was blown away by the performance, two EX's should be a bit insane!

Im sure you feel like a huge weight was lifted off your shoulders too eh?

What sub are you coming from? The Plus I had was able to pressurize my 2000 Cubic foot room, which also has a huge (no doors) opening to the dining room, which was an additional 1500.
post #1330 of 7087
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Originally Posted by combos99 View Post

Awesome! When I had my LFM-1 Plus, I was blown away by the performance, two EX's should be a bit insane!

Im sure you feel like a huge weight was lifted off your shoulders too eh?

What sub are you coming from? The Plus I had was able to pressurize my 2000 Cubic foot room, which also has a huge (no doors) opening to the dining room, which was an additional 1500.

I'm glad this ordeal is over. I have a Paradigm PW2200 250amp 12" driver ported...just wasn't enough for my new theater room. I was waiting forever to hear from Epik...ED had a 4-6 week time...The Outlaws are in stock, so I went for it. I just hope I will be happy. The Epik Castle was my number 1 choice.
post #1331 of 7087
hey guys,

Im stuck between a AV123 MFW-15 and LFM-1 EX . I have the MFW on backorder for 599$ with the rosewood finish that matches my Rocket set.

It will be in a 14x14 room used for 80/20 HT/Music. Which do you think would be my best choice. By looking at the Outlaw it is actually one of the better looking subs Ive seen in black. Obviously the rosewood would still be nicer.

Tell me what you guys think and how they compare.

Thanks!
post #1332 of 7087
Not sure if I should post this here or not, but here's a good deal on an LFM-1 Plus if you're looking for it.
http://www.outlawaudio.com/products/lfm1plus.html

It is about a bit more then my price range (by like 25%) at the moment. Not sure of people's opinion of it either.

Edit: forgot the link the 1st time = fail
post #1333 of 7087
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Originally Posted by eddie33081 View Post

hey guys,

I'm stuck between a AV123 MFW-15 and LFM-1 EX . I have the MFW on backorder for 599$ with the rosewood finish that matches my Rocket set.

It will be in a 14x14 room used for 80/20 HT/Music. Which do you think would be my best choice. By looking at the Outlaw it is actually one of the better looking subs Ive seen in black. Obviously the rosewood would still be nicer.

Tell me what you guys think and how they compare.

Thanks!

You kinda asked the same question in the other thread. I think the answers were fair. You might consider:

1) AV123 has had some troubles. Not to say you will be on the receiving end of any of that, but if it were my money I would be cautious until they have shown that they are back on solid ground (for good, not "for now"). And I don't know if they have truly resolved the amp problems. If they cannot consistently ship RMA amps to people who have had amps fail, then they have not root-caused the problem.

2) Outlaw's prices right now are at best once a year, and they have stock. Call first, since the sale is so good, I would think they could sell out.

I've not heard these subs, so cannot comment on that, but the LFM-1 EX looks like an excellent buy. There is another recent thread saying it ranks well with the MFW15 and the higher-end Hsu which it kinda looks like.

You might be stuck because of the finish (rosewood) available on the MFW15. Not that it will help much, but I thought about this, too, before I finally bought my LFM-1 Compact (maybe will arrive this week). I have rosewood ELTs from AV123 (before they got into trouble). The sub will sit in a corner. A box on the floor. Waiting to be dive-bombed with kid's Lego airplanes, Bionicles, and Transformers. Waiting to support my wife's mug of hot tea every night. You get the point. I just could not do that to one of AV123's finishes
post #1334 of 7087
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Originally Posted by ajstan99 View Post

but isn't 2" the recommended minimum clearance?

Hey AJ,

A 2" clearance sounds the best to me. I 'm having a problem or AVS with your link to my post. I am going to link it as well:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...1#post14231151
post #1335 of 7087
It would of been a lot nicer if the Outlaws had a recessed driver like what ED has done. Looking at the Auralex GRAMMA, I think it would be very easy to make them yourself. MDF board might work nice. Maybe topped with a nice black velour or maybe some black suede. Something to think about while I'm waiting for delivery.

Still thinking about how I’m going to place my 2 subs in my theater room...thinking of trying the end table thing first. This will be a first for me. Also not sure how to calibrate 2 subs. I have a lot of reading to do for sure. I do have a RS digital spl meter on hand. Can you have one sub set at max extension and the other one set to bass extension? Or do they both need to be set the same. I have a really air tight room with no open areas. If needed to be the same, which would be preferred max or bass extension in a sealed room?

I downloaded the manual and I can't seem to find a answer to this. Thanks
post #1336 of 7087
Ended up pulling the trigger on the Outlaw LFM-1 EX. I can still decide after hearing it whether I want the MFW as I have another 2 months before thats back in stock.

I'll let you know what I think.

Thanks!
post #1337 of 7087
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Originally Posted by jwv651 View Post

If needed to be the same, which would be preferred max or bass extension in a sealed room?

Hey Joe V,

This post should help you get started:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...7#post14751457

I never tried one sub with MO & one sub at ME.
post #1338 of 7087
I would like to welcome all the new members to the family! Hopefully you all enjoy your new toy or toys. If you have any questions, feel free to ask. We are all here for one another and will help as much as we can.
post #1339 of 7087
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Originally Posted by eddie33081 View Post

Ended up pulling the trigger on the Outlaw LFM-1 EX. I can still decide after hearing it whether I want the MFW as I have another 2 months before thats back in stock.

I'll let you know what I think.

Thanks!

Hey eddie,

The EX is a very good sub and should do quite well in your room. Please check back with your thoughts and any questions you might have.
post #1340 of 7087
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Originally Posted by jwv651 View Post

Can you have one sub set at max extension and the other one set to bass extension? Or do they both need to be set the same.... If needed to be the same, which would be preferred max or bass extension in a sealed room?

jwv651,

I am guess what you will find is...

1. It very difficult to get the two subs level matched to your mains.
2. One sub will play the very low stuff (<20Hz.) ok.
3. One sub will play the 30-50Hz area ok.
4. Combined, the two will "bloat" the 50Hz. to xo region and be too low for the rest.


If you do not have any type of room measuring capability, you will probably set the combined levels based on the "bloated" reading. In addition, to help with this problem, you are going to need to eq the bass response. Once you are able to eq the subs, you will also find that you have to run the subs at higher gain settings (on the back of the subs) to get the lower Hz. up to your targeted 75Hz to match the mains.

Now, if you set them to the same (ME or MO)...

1. It will be easier to match them to the mains.
2. You will have a much more balanced response for multiple seating positions.
3. You will not have to turn up the gains on the back of the subs as much.

By setting them the same, you are going to get a better balanced response and probably less distortion. You are going to still need some type of room measurement tool to help place them and phase them in with your mains. Once you have the measurement capabilities, we will see if you need any bass eq'ing.

I hope I am correct and understandable on my comments. This is where I usually place my standard clause:

"I am by no means an expert. I only comment on what I have learned through my experiences and what I have been told by other."
post #1341 of 7087
Thanks everyone...being a retired carpenter as of last August...I'm going to need a little help here and there. My sons are gone and they already have enough on their plates. This is my second theater build and I'm doing it on my own. All and all it has been rewarding, at least so far. My only problem will be a dual sub placement, and calibrating these puppies. Decent Bass even at my age means the world to me. I still like to rock, but just not as hard. And, I love watching movies even more.

Here is a little info on my mid level system; this will give you a feel on what I'm working with:

14’x22’x8’ room. This room is so dead quiet you could hear a pin drop. I had a really good carpenter building my theater.

Mitsubishi HC6500 1080p projector
Elite 100" dia fixed screen
Pioneer Elite 03-01TXH receiver
Paradigm Studio 60v2 Fronts
Paradigm Studio 450 CC
Rear's Energy c-c100 bipoles
Side speakers in ceiling BIC Muro 6
Panasonic BluRay BD35
Toshiba HD DVD A2
Dish Network vip 211
Pure AV surge
Paradigm PW2200…soon to be replaced by 2 LFM1-EX
post #1342 of 7087
Got my Compact today, It kicks way too much ass in my 10x10x8 room, ahhhh my ears
post #1343 of 7087
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Originally Posted by jwv651 View Post

Here is a little info on my mid level system; this will give you a feel on what I'm working with

Nice set-up Joe V...looking forward to your thoughts on the dual EXs in your room.
post #1344 of 7087
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Originally Posted by combos99 View Post

ahhhh my ears

That is what it's about combos99.

Congrats on your new sub...
post #1345 of 7087
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Originally Posted by laugsbach View Post

Nice set-up Joe V...looking forward to your thoughts on the dual EXs in your room.

I plan on posting some pic's when done.
post #1346 of 7087
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Originally Posted by combos99 View Post

Got my Compact today, It kicks way too much ass in my 10x10x8 room, ahhhh my ears

I'm happy for ya! My 2 pieces just shipped from Ca How long did it take to get to Madison?
post #1347 of 7087
Hello All! I just stepped onto the Outlaw boat to high seas and am excited. I just worked out a deal for (2) LFM-1 Plus' which should be arriving in about 1-2 weeks. I will be going through this thread with a fine tooth comb trying to learn everything I can about configuring these things with my system.

New 6.1 system will include:
Yamaha RX-V1 receiver (i know its old but she my baby)
(2) Athena AS-F2.2 L/R
(4) Athena AS-B2.2 C/R/Sur
(2) Outlaw LFM-1 +

room 25x14x20 = 7000 cu feet which is also open to the kitchen and the foyer.

wish me well!
post #1348 of 7087
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Originally Posted by jwv651 View Post

Here is a little info on my mid level system...

Joe V.,

There is nothing mid level about that set-up! We can't wait to see pictures. Let us know if we can help in any way.

post #1349 of 7087
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Originally Posted by thebuffman View Post

Hello All! I just stepped onto the Outlaw boat to high seas and am excited. I just worked out a deal for (2) LFM-1 Plus' which should be arriving in about 1-2 weeks.

With two Pluses, that is going to be some rough water!
post #1350 of 7087
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Originally Posted by jwv651 View Post

I'm happy for ya! My 2 pieces just shipped from Ca How long did it take to get to Madison?

Outlaw subs ship from California? I thought they were in MA? Does that mean CA folk have to pay CA tax?
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